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Juren Coda
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Posted - 2009.12.08 11:49:00 -
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Caldari Militia is mass abusing a standing exploit to steamroll Minmatar militia systems
They use alts with high minmatar FW standings to join caldari militia corps. These alts can run minmatar complexes without being shot by the minmatar NPC, because of the ranks with minmatar militia they have.
People may argue about this if its a bug or not, but from a logical point of view, this is not intended to be happening as it is and is basically an exploit. If you are at war with a faction, then the enemy NPC faction should shoot you, no matter if you have ranks from being on their side in the past. As ex minmatar militia pilot you are basically a traitor swithing sides and should be shot by minmatar npc even harder.
Shame on the Caldari militia pilots who exploit this bug on mass scale at the moment. There will be NO glory in claiming you took all minmatar space using this exploit.
In response to this information, Gallente militia pilots have filed petitions to CCP to deem this bug as an exploit and a bannable act to those tho use this exploit. Also part of this petition is to give all systems back to minmatar occupancy that have been lost during the use of this exploit.
I also call for any gallente and minmatar FW pilot who reads this message, to write a samelike petition to show a strong signal against these kinds of exploits. You are allowed to link this blogpost url (http://eve.mmowiki.nl/?p=307) into the petition to build up a strong case.
We stand united with the Minmatar faction and will do our very best to help them in ways we can afford.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.12.08 11:51:00 -
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No exploits. Working as intended.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.12.08 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger No exploits. Working as intended.
Indeed, said so by quite a few Gallentes who plexed using characters with said standing issue and who we petitioned for a year (look on forums).
So perhaps you ought to look at your own ranks first before accusing others. You made the bed, now sleep on it.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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orphenshadow
Gallente Easy Co.
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Posted - 2009.12.08 11:59:00 -
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The logs show no record of an exploit. Everything is working as intended.
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olzi
Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.12.08 12:10:00 -
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There is already a thread about this in the Assembly hall, try posting your constructive ideas there.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1224938
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2009.12.08 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Juren Coda Im sure it will get the propper CCP attention now, as more people share the same concern.
it's FW, there's more chance of them fixing the Tempest TBH --------------------------------------------
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Jones Bones
Final Agony
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Posted - 2009.12.08 14:08:00 -
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CCP doesn't care about FW. They sorta nerfed the missions and that was it.
Get over yourselves, your little part of the game means nothing to CCP. It was a failed Live test of a new look at sovereignty, which they obviously did not go with.
Welcome to our world. CCP doesn't recognize lowsec. Go to 0.0 or carebear in high sec, then maybe you'll get some attention. =================== Go Bucks! |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.08 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Juren Coda
EDIT: @olzi, thanks for linking another petition about the same issue. You contributed to this post in a constructive way to fix this. Im sure it will get the propper CCP attention now, as more people share the same concern.
Doubt it. This concern has been well known for quite a while and has never been addressed. Pervs alts should join Gallente and take over all of Caldari space. Invert the map fellas; I know you can do it!
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.12.08 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger No exploits. Working as intended.
Confirming this.
Don't blame pervs, blame CCP.
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Murashu
Eye of God Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.08 17:15:00 -
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This has been going on for a long time now and CCP does not consider it an exploit. I petitioned it months ago when one of the CSMs (Ank whatever her name is) was soloing plexes in a griffin fitted with a cloaking device, and CCP stated it was not an exploit. _______ Murashu Agony's End |
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GavinGoodrich
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.12.08 17:35:00 -
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Synns tears are extra salty tears \o |
oolk
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Posted - 2009.12.08 17:56:00 -
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Next stop Amarr!
We gonna own eve!
yar!
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Mithril Ryder
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Posted - 2009.12.09 00:07:00 -
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An exploit is an exploit even if the Devs are too busy with other issues to care. But then again, pathetic people do pathetic things so they can feel good about themselves, *shrug*.
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AterraX
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.09 01:11:00 -
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Why do the gallentes whine so much?
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Kora Zilesti
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Posted - 2009.12.09 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: AterraX Why do the gallentes whine so much?
Possibly because our ability to recapture systems has been repressed for five months by the open availability of this exploit, and CCP says it's working as intended because they can't be arsed to correct it.
Totally unreasonable to complain, I know! :)
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.09 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: AterraX Why do the gallentes whine so much?
Because fw isnt going to fix itself.
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NupetietVer
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.09 04:01:00 -
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FW is PvP-lite according to CCP, so you can pretty much kiss changes goodbye. If you don't have a thousand man alliance moaning and groaning, it ain't gonna happen.
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Kruger81
Caldari Costolle Military Assistance Corporation
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Posted - 2009.12.09 06:22:00 -
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CCP don't give a **** about FacWar, they trow bones sometimes.
I think it's sad to see Dev's do that to a part off the game, it really ruins the new player experience.
As for PvP-Lite, You need alot more playerskills to do well in FacWar then in 0,0. And it's a whole other scales of fights.
CCP should be ashamed off em self, and rethink that FacWar need as much love as 0,0 if they can't see the "whole" in game, they need to hire new ppl that CAN!
Just my 2 cents...
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Isebelle
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Posted - 2009.12.09 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Isebelle on 09/12/2009 06:39:51
Originally by: AterraX Why do the gallentes whine so much?
Aren't we basically the Eve version of the French?
Doh - posted with the wrong toon!
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2009.12.09 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Isebelle Edited by: Isebelle on 09/12/2009 06:39:51
Originally by: AterraX Why do the gallentes whine so much?
Aren't we basically the Eve version of the French?
Doh - posted with the wrong toon!
The French don't whine, they go on strike, the English whine for all they are worth, i should know --------------------------------------------
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Juren Coda
Shame on the Caldari militia pilots who exploit this bug on mass scale at the moment.
No, it's shame on CCP for not fixing this. There are all kind of exploits and bugs around this capturing mechanics, that could be fixed, if the conquering timer only runs when hostile NPCs are killed. Which actually is more intuitive and more realistic. No stealth ship conquering, no conquering of the hard plexes with an interceptor, no standing abuse etc. It's been asked for what, a year already ? (Started with the covops exploit) Yet CCP doesn't care. You can't blame someone who is tired of asking for fixes and takes advantage of such things.
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Cosmic Raider
Solo Plex
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 09/12/2009 14:37:38 Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 09/12/2009 14:37:20
Originally by: Juren Coda Edited by: Juren Coda on 08/12/2009 12:20:13 Edited by: Juren Coda on 08/12/2009 12:19:39 Caldari Militia are big meanies and took our candy.
Fixed. I love it when people are all outraged to discover there is gambling in the casino.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmic Raider Fixed. I love it when people are all outraged to discover there is gambling in the casino.
I know what you mean. Get with the times fellas! Time to take all that isk you earned from FW missions and use it to buy an alt (you can still have fun with your main this way), build up Caldari/Amarr standings and then plex with impunity.
And that goes for you Gallente plexers as well. It's freaking ridiculous to see you guys roaming around with your mains plexing when you could be so much more efficient with high Caldari standing alts.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius
Originally by: Cosmic Raider Fixed. I love it when people are all outraged to discover there is gambling in the casino.
I know what you mean. Get with the times fellas! Time to take all that isk you earned from FW missions and use it to buy an alt (you can still have fun with your main this way), build up Caldari/Amarr standings and then plex with impunity.
And that goes for you Gallente plexers as well. It's freaking ridiculous to see you guys roaming around with your mains plexing when you could be so much more efficient with high Caldari standing alts.
Actually if you think it again you will notice that alts does not cost much at all.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:41:00 -
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Meant a second account with GTCs. My bad.
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Angelzin
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Posted - 2009.12.09 21:08:00 -
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If CCP don't give a F... about FW they should remove all missions for it as well as rewards.
Seems like simple thing to do and could easily lift their spirits in wake of more failures they recently had.
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Zverofaust
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2009.12.09 23:05:00 -
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The entire mechanic of plexing is pretty much the most broken aspect of Eve. Great that CCP can take the time to improve planet graphics but completely ignore something that 1/4 of their players are involved in.
As for this "exploit", I don't personally consider it much more of an exploit than the ease with which you can kite plex rats anyway. 95% of plexing is done by individuals and it so happens that Amarr have more individuals willing to plex than Minmatar, and the influx of a few Caldari who appear to also enjoy spending the majority of their playing time orbiting buttons has done very little except the generation of a short newspost and a bit of conversation amongst the Minmatar.
Faction sovereignty/occupancy system is broken. It is unchallenging, it is unrewarding, it has no effect on any aspect of gameplay and in general it is ridiculous that people take the time to actually do it.
The majority of the Minmatar militia really don't give a half ass about plexing and system occupancy. If the Amarr and Caldari want to waste their time plexing for 23/7 then they're more than welcome to. Most of us joined FW to PVP, not play roles and tell stories or waste hour after hour tediously orbiting little structures in space.
TL;DR, either remove the whole plexing bullcrap and just let people pvp or actually create some sort of even remotely dynamic, interesting and challenging system for faction occupancy.
Also, I've opened up a pool for bets on how long it'll take the Caldari to take all our systems. 1mil ISK gets you in; whoever selects the correct date (EVE time) on which our last system falls wins the pot. COntact me ingame for details.
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.09 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust The entire mechanic of plexing is pretty much the most broken aspect of Eve. Great that CCP can take the time to improve planet graphics but completely ignore something that 1/4 of their players are involved in.
As for this "exploit", I don't personally consider it much more of an exploit than the ease with which you can kite plex rats anyway. 95% of plexing is done by individuals and it so happens that Amarr have more individuals willing to plex than Minmatar, and the influx of a few Caldari who appear to also enjoy spending the majority of their playing time orbiting buttons has done very little except the generation of a short newspost and a bit of conversation amongst the Minmatar.
Faction sovereignty/occupancy system is broken. It is unchallenging, it is unrewarding, it has no effect on any aspect of gameplay and in general it is ridiculous that people take the time to actually do it.
The majority of the Minmatar militia really don't give a half ass about plexing and system occupancy. If the Amarr and Caldari want to waste their time plexing for 23/7 then they're more than welcome to. Most of us joined FW to PVP, not play roles and tell stories or waste hour after hour tediously orbiting little structures in space.
TL;DR, either remove the whole plexing bullcrap and just let people pvp or actually create some sort of even remotely dynamic, interesting and challenging system for faction occupancy.
Also, I've opened up a pool for bets on how long it'll take the Caldari to take all our systems. 1mil ISK gets you in; whoever selects the correct date (EVE time) on which our last system falls wins the pot. COntact me ingame for details.
^^^ full support, but, I wear a wizard hat when playing eve and thus gain personal satisfaction seeing them "loose" space in this war.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.12.10 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 10/12/2009 11:21:04 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 10/12/2009 11:19:32 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 10/12/2009 11:17:25
Originally by: Juren Coda Shame on the Caldari militia pilots who exploit this bug on mass scale at the moment. There will be NO glory in claiming you took all minmatar space using this exploit.
I'll answer this one: Nobody (this is very important) cared about our gaming experience and enjoyment when we were loudly protesting Gallentes use of bugs, such as standings exploit or turning NPCs to fire upon Caldari militia members. I actually seem to recall you ridiculing us when we protested when in combat member of your fleet turned NPCs on us.
Nennamaila resident recently confessed that in fight vs me and Bad Messenger that "Yes, Amon Dei indeed confessed he used the exploit but I didnt know about it" (suffice to say I dont believe the last part at all). Did he apologise, show remorse, say it was lame? Of course not.
So tell me. Why should we listen to people who used the bugs/exploits initially and did not find it shameful in the least? How they can or even dare say "two wrongs dont make right?"
And frankly i'm getting bored now in seeing all the same faces in the front, using same exploits (Hello Val, thanks for using npc bug in Eugales two days ago to turn npcs on Caldari Maller) and being a crutch for whole militia. So go ahead and plex, I wont be there to stop you as I return to Matar front (as PERVS member). It will be up to others to get off their backsides.
To use the old phrase, "Cat is away, mice and rats are running around" basicly means that Caldari/Gallente front is ripe for small gang pvp action. I assume majority of the militia will not care (as we know, plexing gives you STD) but actually, I learned it by now and can actually look at it quite stress free.
Once we get bored with Matar front, we can return to our front and do what is necessary.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.12.10 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ralnik on 10/12/2009 11:40:09
Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 10/12/2009 11:21:04 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 10/12/2009 11:19:32 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 10/12/2009 11:17:25
Originally by: Juren Coda Shame on the Caldari militia pilots who exploit this bug on mass scale at the moment. There will be NO glory in claiming you took all minmatar space using this exploit.
I'll answer this one: Nobody (this is very important) cared about our gaming experience and enjoyment when we were loudly protesting Gallentes use of bugs, such as standings exploit or turning NPCs to fire upon Caldari militia members. I actually seem to recall you ridiculing us when we protested when in combat member of your fleet turned NPCs on us.
Nennamaila resident recently confessed that in fight vs me and Bad Messenger that "Yes, Amon Dei indeed confessed he used the exploit but I didnt know about it" (suffice to say I dont believe the last part at all). Did he apologise, show remorse, say it was lame? Of course not.
So tell me. Why should we listen to people who used the bugs/exploits initially and did not find it shameful in the least? How they can or even dare say "two wrongs dont make right?"
And frankly i'm getting bored now in seeing all the same faces in the front, using same exploits (Hello Val, thanks for using npc bug in Eugales two days ago to turn npcs on Caldari Maller) and being a crutch for whole militia. So go ahead and plex, I wont be there to stop you as I return to Matar front (as PERVS member). It will be up to others to get off their backsides.
To use the old phrase, "Cat is away, mice and rats are running around" basicly means that Caldari/Gallente front is ripe for small gang pvp action. I assume majority of the militia will not care (as we know, plexing gives you STD) but actually, I learned it by now and can actually look at it quite stress free.
Once we get bored with Matar front, we can return to our front and do what is necessary.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Minmatar nor Amarr did these things to you in your plexing war with Gallente. Yet because as you claim, the Gallente broke your toys.. You come to Minmatar space to break our toys.
LoL this is kind of funny TBH.. The best part is now you are losing systems to Gallente because you are in Minmatar space screwing with our war.
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