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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.09 04:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 09/12/2009 04:20:55
For Immediate Release
Today I received by private fluidcom transmission a ransom demand from the State Protectorate ôarchitectö of the current State/Crusade offensive against Matari systems in Metropolis.
Signed by Damar Rocarion of ôThe Cadreö, the message is clear though laughable:
Originally by: Damar Rocarion ôAfter discussion with Minmatar and Amarr leadership, we have decided that enough is enough and are willing to offer these modest terms to Tribal Liberation Force and it's associated corporations and alliances to stop Caldari attack.
a) Public apology by Star Fraction for their attacks against the State committed over a year ago.
b) Caldari corporation More-Cowbell lost capital ships to Minmatar raiders (Thanatos, Nidhoggur and Chimera). These should be compensated, we dont care who does it though.
c) Minmatar militia stops plexing in Caldari space. Combat is acceptable, system capturing not. This mainly concerns corporation INVICTA.
In return, Caldari immediately starts withdrawing from the front, stops defending captured systems and leaves it up to Amarr militia to do what they want. We will also reveal some of the vulnerabilities in Minmatar defense facilities which should bolster them for future attacks like this (= we will send some agents to defend contested systems against the Amarr).
If the agreement is broken, Caldari will return.ö
To give a little background to this: I have had previous contact with Damar Rocarion on this issue over the last few days and have attempted to persuade him to hold back his Caldari forces from contested worlds in the Matari sphere of influence while the Republic Military Forces are purged of traitors sabotaging the defence efforts and intent on handing over settled planets as victims to the Amarrian slave barges.
For his part Damar Rocarion has proved an intense and almost unbalanced personality, constantly raving about injustice on the Gallente front and the evils of this foes, he has talked about his legacy in history, his motivations for hacking system defensive protocols and his many enemies gathered to pull him down should he ever lapse in his ôholy missionö to destroy all resistance to the State Crusade War machine.
In demanding an apology from Star Fraction for the damage we did to the State Protectorate militia a year and a half ago he is acknowledging the deep wounds in the organization we left in our wake during our Black Rise campaign. But we reject his demand with derision and name him a sickening coward incapable of rousing himself to honest battle and we spit full in his face as we throw this mewling condition to the dogs.
We cannot speak for the TLF of course, but I expect DamarÆs demand of three capital ships worth of ôcompensationö will be as well received from our Matari allies as painted Sarumite slaveowner would be in a Brutor bar on the rough side of Pator city.
As for the demand that no TLF vessel takes part in challenge to system control in Caldari-occupied space it is similarly not for me to answer, but I would remind the reader that even to ask for such a thing reeks of fear and lily-livered vacillation from a petty man terrified of current events changing and leaving him in deep trouble.
Perhaps Damar Rocarion knows the treachery of Republic Fleet Commanders will be short-lived? Who knows, but to demand an eternal ceasefire on system-capture from the very same TLF pilots he is currently cheating of their legacy and kin on betrayed worlds is a study in the bizarre.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.09 04:18:00 -
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And with his last clause (should he receive apology, ransom, guarantee of no counterattack) he promises to teach the proud fighters of the TLF the same low cowardly betraying tactics he has been employing and even turning traitor to his own Amarrian allies as the price of dishonourable truce!)
This is incredible.
He has the gall to demand Star Fraction apologise for wreaking havoc against the Caldari 18months ago, to demand that Caldari capital ships be compensated for loss in fighting against the TLF, and to demand that no counter-attack should be made to pay back his naked aggression and snide exploitation of Republican Fleet mutiny, and if this all should be agreed...
He then promises to turn traitor against the 24th Crusade himself and defend Matari worlds with his army of agents utilizing the same corrupt and twisted methodology he has used against them thus-far like all would be forgiven.
I have known snakes in my time but this man takes the prize.
Somebody please shoot him in the head.
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.12.09 04:32:00 -
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Very clever of him. He puts the onus on you to stop the attack, and makes you the one who made it go forward. I applaud his tactics, even if I think he should stay on the Caldari side of the border.
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.09 04:32:00 -
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I'm glad your pride will lead to further victories for Amarr.
It wouldn't be the first time. -------
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Seraphim Risen
Minmatar Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.09 04:37:00 -
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Quote: I have known snakes in my time but this man takes the prize.
Like your owner, Revan? Its saddening you'll show such backbone and spirit here but cower in front of her.
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D melanogaster
Minmatar The Fruit Flys
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Posted - 2009.12.09 04:40:00 -
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sounds fair
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.09 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Seraphim Risen Like your owner, Revan? Its saddening you'll show such backbone and spirit here but cower in front of her.
I see you lie as well in public as you do in private you pathetic mewling provocateur ... speak to me of spirit when you have destroyed one hundred part of the enemy shipping I have in this campaign until then be thankful I love your people more than I do its bastard daughters seeking unwise fame in unseemly contention between allies.
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Kaldor Mintat
Nomads Of Eve
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Posted - 2009.12.09 04:47:00 -
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Well, what could one really have expected? Most caldari are brought up in a corporate culture where profit is the main and sometimes only goal and never manages to break free of this. If there was no external threats they would be backstabbing each other for that extra cent so this seems like a natural tactic.
Apologies to those caldari that truly fight for a sense of patriotism and higher ideals but the above is sadly how so many of your countrymen behaves.
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.12.09 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 09/12/2009 04:49:43 Honestly, I don't see how this is in any way a bad reflection upon Mr. Rocarion.
He gave you conditions of surrender, offered to assist in a military contract, and you declined. How does this make him "dishonorable"? He isn't Amarrian, he has no loyalty to them aside from he decision to help them out.
I repeat: Damar Rocarion is not a citizen of the Empire, he owes them no loyalty. This might be different if he was offering this deal in regards to the State. But, in fact, he offered a deal which would benefit the State.
On the other hand, his doing this proves that you are more concerned about the image and wealth of the Star Fraction than the billions of Minmatar this war affects. Which, I suspect, was his motive all along.
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Zverofaust
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2009.12.09 05:03:00 -
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Let me get the ball rolling.
I am sorry, Mr. Damar Rocarion, that your pilots were stupid enough to lose three capital ships to a raid. I don't have the cash on me now, but I can give you a post-dated cheque or, if you prefer, an I.O.U.
I am also sorry that INVICTA is giving you so hard a time that you've been left with no choice but to attempt to ransom the entire militia because of your inability to combat them yourselves. It is very unfortunate and you have my deepest regrets.
I am not Star Fraction but as an exceptionally important leader and figure of worship in the Minmatar Militia, I hope that my sincere apologies will serve as some consolation for your distress.
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Souvera Corvus
SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.12.09 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 09/12/2009 05:34:36 More Caldari extortion, there would seem to be no end to it.
Originally by: Jade Constantine We advise our allies in the TLF to consider incorporating themselves as independent registered entities with the freedom to pursue 24th Imperial Crusade corporations and assets beyond the borders of the proxy warzone since it is clear the conflict accords have been broken with the treachery of the Republican Navy and you can no longer count to the nationalist government of state and bureau to act in the best interests of your family and kin.
I like the sound of this as an answer but would extend it to Caldari entities.
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Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.12.09 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust I am not Star Fraction but as an exceptionally important leader and figure of worship in the Minmatar Militia, I hope that my sincere apologies will serve as some consolation for your distress.
The Hero of Kamela has spoken.
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.09 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Havohej on 09/12/2009 07:29:44
Originally by: Zverofaust an exceptionally important leader and figure of worship in the Minmatar Militia
Confirming this. We still have Zvero-the Hero-faust's portait hanging in our ready room at the DF1AS Kamela office from when we were in the militia.
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2009.12.09 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
We cannot speak for the TLF of course, but I expect DamarÆs demand of three capital ships worth of ôcompensationö will be as well received from our Matari allies as painted Sarumite slaveowner would be in a Brutor bar on the rough side of Pator city.
He can stick a torp where the sun don't shine. --------------------------------------------
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2009.12.09 08:09:00 -
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Burn them. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Vincent Death
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.09 08:13:00 -
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How are these terms in any way a ransom demand?
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Lost InCogneto
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Posted - 2009.12.09 08:19:00 -
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Amaar and caldari capsuleers seize minmatar strongholds reported by ISD Rhom Windfell | 2009.12.09 00:31:49 | NEW
News Flash - Reports of a joint Caldari and Amaar capsuleer effort against the Minmatar Republic have been coming in, with a number of Minmatar strongholds changing hands and more expected over the next days and weeks.
More than half a dozen systems have been taken so far, with early reports suggesting that Damar Rocarion and Bad Messenger are the leaders behind the attacks.
Jade Constantine, spokesperson for Star Fraction, accused Minmatar officials of allowing the attacks to happen: "I have personally seen enemies of the Matari people capturing complexes in Matari space while Republic Navy assets refuse to fire on them or prevent the capture."
While groups such as Star Fraction seem to be doing little but point the blame, Minmatar strongholds are continuing to fall under the attacks, with little to no organized resistance.
The Interstellar Correspondents will continue to follow this story and hope to have more details soon.
End Report
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DarthDeaconRage
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.12.09 08:23:00 -
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.09 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lost InCogneto While groups such as Star Fraction seem to be doing little but point the blame, Minmatar strongholds are continuing to fall under the attacks, with little to no organized resistance.
I'd just like to say that this section of the news report made my day when I read it a few hours ago. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2009.12.09 08:36:00 -
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Nice painting. But I see no burning on that Apocalypse? Was the colour not fitting? -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.09 09:26:00 -
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Ms. Constantine breaks diplomatic confidentiality Let me preface this by asking why ms. Constantine made this diplomatic message public? Star Fraction has been very vocal to state that they consider all diplomatic contact confidential. Why are you now suddenly posting diplomatic messages while negotiations are still going on? Is Star Fraction not to be trusted when others try to negotiate terms through diplomatic channels?
The goals of Damar Rocarion To me it seems mr. Rocarion is primarily concerned by the current weaknesses in State defense protocols. It seems that mr. Rocarion believes that all the sides are affected by the same weaknesses and not just the Minmatar installations. What better way to demonstrate the weakness of Concord imposed defense protocols than to rapidly capture hostile systems? The very fact that the IGS is nearly overheating with debates about this issue seems to indicate that his strategy has been very succesfull.
Mr. Rocarion is offering you terms to end the current conflict. You have repeated in the past that Star Fraction considers offering terms to end a justified conflict perfectly acceptable. So please desist with your rantings about unfair ransom or extortion, it is highly hypocritical. Mr. Rocarion is even offering to make reparations. I've seen many extortionists in my life, but never seen one who offered to make reparations.
Mr. Rocarion is a Caldari, he made an offer he thought he could profit from. He made an offer that fullfills his duty to the State and make some isk too. Both are perfectly acceptable to the Caldari traditions, and does not make him in any way dishonorable.
Why doesn't Star Fraction agree to the terms? As people might notice, the cost of the reparations asked by Mr. Rocation are roughly equal to the price Star Fraction put on the heads of the Republic Fleet Admirals. The admiral whom SF blames for the weaknesses in the Republic Defense: 3 billion isk. If SF is willing to pay 3 billion to have three men murdered in an attempt to stop the invasion, why not pay 3 billion isk to Damar Rocarion and achieve even more?
Hence, it seems to me that his terms are quite reasonable. SF was willing to pay the isk to stop this. SF and the TLF were condemning the tactic employed by mr. Rocarion as unfair, dishonorable and as a things they should never do. Hence his request from TLF corporation to promise not to do likewise in Caldari space should be no problem at all. He is even offering reparations to the TLF!
The impossible demand Mr. Rocarion is just making one impossible demand. He is asking ms. Constantine to apologize. Realizing mr. Rocarion is a shrewd Caldari, I believe asking for this apology is him coming out with a high bid. Starting with a high bid is good practice, it allow the negotiator some room. By asking Star Fraction to apologize, he is obviously asking for more than the price of a Titan, for everyone on the IGS knows that ms. Constantine's ego is priceless. ____
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.09 09:34:00 -
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The ISD is neutral, Fanatics just demand that everyone views the world as they do otherwise they're sided with the enemy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
falaros
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Posted - 2009.12.09 09:37:00 -
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"I am not Star Fraction but as an exceptionally important leader and figure of worship in the Minmatar Militia, I hope that my sincere apologies will serve as some consolation for your distress."
I would also like to verify that Faust is indeed an individual that inspires great courage within the Matari ranks. Hopefully Damar will realized how honored he is that a hero of such a noble cause and a truly great pilot such as Faust would even respond to his concerns lol.
To the Caldari who think they can tell us when enough is enough, bring it on, you know where we are and it's going to take more than you pathetic lot capping a few systems to scare us.
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BacardiDesire
Caldari The 8th Order
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Posted - 2009.12.09 09:57:00 -
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digging up dead cows and making a issue of them sounds like a true caldari behaviour :) all i want is some cake. |
Dame Death
Minmatar The Reserves
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Posted - 2009.12.09 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Seraphim Risen Like your owner, Revan? Its saddening you'll show such backbone and spirit here but cower in front of her.
I see you lie as well in public as you do in private you pathetic mewling provocateur ... speak to me of spirit when you have destroyed one hundred part of the enemy shipping I have in this campaign until then be thankful I love your people more than I do its bastard daughters seeking unwise fame in unseemly contention between allies.
I see no lies here jade.
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.12.09 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dame Death
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Seraphim Risen Like your owner, Revan? Its saddening you'll show such backbone and spirit here but cower in front of her.
I see you lie as well in public as you do in private you pathetic mewling provocateur ... speak to me of spirit when you have destroyed one hundred part of the enemy shipping I have in this campaign until then be thankful I love your people more than I do its bastard daughters seeking unwise fame in unseemly contention between allies.
I see no lies here jade.
She does have the fury of a hound that has been whipped to often, does she not?
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.09 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: ChipMo on 09/12/2009 13:12:52
Originally by: Jakiin
Originally by: Lost InCogneto While groups such as Star Fraction seem to be doing little but point the blame, Minmatar strongholds are continuing to fall under the attacks, with little to no organized resistance.
I'd just like to say that this section of the news report made my day when I read it a few hours ago.
Personally I found it a little bizarre that the ISD would expect an entity like ours to counter the recent incursion. We have never been able to capture military complexes as alliances cannot work on behalf of the militia.
Sure, we could have roamed the warzone blowing up these unfitted frigates... But for every one you kill there's 10 more plexing other systems & who knows how many replacement unfitted ships in docking ports.
ISD can mock us all they like, we did the best we could for the Matari people in this theater but it is now beyond redemption. We will crush the Amarr Empire and all the other nationalist dogs in our own way - **** this terrirtorial non-sense-fest of a 'war'.
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Originally by: Merdaneth Ms. Constantine breaks diplomatic confidentiality Let me preface this by asking why ms. Constantine made this diplomatic message public? Star Fraction has been very vocal to state that they consider all diplomatic contact confidential. Why are you now suddenly posting diplomatic messages while negotiations are still going on? Is Star Fraction not to be trusted when others try to negotiate terms through diplomatic channels?
woah woah woah, stop right there... which part of "ransom demand" says negotiation or diplomacy to you? It was a demand stated by an enemy, fairly amusing demand at that. There is no call for privacy.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.09 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: ChipMo
woah woah woah, stop right there... which part of "ransom demand" says negotiation or diplomacy to you? It was a demand stated by an enemy, fairly amusing demand at that. There is no call for privacy.
Perhaps you should consider what was actually said by your CEO:
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Today I received by private fluidcom transmission a ransom demand from the State Protectorate ôarchitectö of the current State/Crusade offensive against Matari systems in Metropolis.
And:
Originally by: Jade Constantine I have had previous contact with Damar Rocarion on this issue over the last few days and have attempted to persuade him to hold back his Caldari forces
There were negotiations ongoing. Negotations between two parties with diplomatic status (ms. Constantine and mr. Rocarion). The latest step in these negotiations was mr. Rocarion making an offer to ms. Constatine through private channels.
If these aren't considered diplomacy by the Star Fraction, then what is?
Or is Star Fraction of the opinion that if they unilaterally classify an offer as 'ransom' then diplomatic confidence can be broken at will? ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
ChipMo
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.09 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: ChipMo on 09/12/2009 13:49:38
Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: ChipMo
woah woah woah, stop right there... which part of "ransom demand" says negotiation or diplomacy to you? It was a demand stated by an enemy, fairly amusing demand at that. There is no call for privacy.
Perhaps you should consider what was actually said by your CEO:
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Today I received by private fluidcom transmission a ransom demand from the State Protectorate ôarchitectö of the current State/Crusade offensive against Matari systems in Metropolis.
And:
Originally by: Jade Constantine I have had previous contact with Damar Rocarion on this issue over the last few days and have attempted to persuade him to hold back his Caldari forces
There were negotiations ongoing. Negotations between two parties with diplomatic status (ms. Constantine and mr. Rocarion). The latest step in these negotiations was mr. Rocarion making an offer to ms. Constatine through private channels.
If these aren't considered diplomacy by the Star Fraction, then what is?
Or is Star Fraction of the opinion that if they unilaterally classify an offer as 'ransom' then diplomatic confidence can be broken at will?
1) "private fluidcom" Is the name of the protocol she received the message on, it has nothing to do with the message contents.
2) Jade may have been involved in negotiations prior to this, and they as far as I know have not been made public. Any negotiations end when one is presented with a random demand.
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Mazca Lopez
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.09 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth Or is Star Fraction of the opinion that if they unilaterally classify an offer as 'ransom' then diplomatic confidence can be broken at will?[/quote
I personally think that any diplomacy that may or may not have been going on went down the drain when Damar decided to play the '**** you' card.
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