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Sedilis
Lead Farmers
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Posted - 2009.12.11 10:07:00 -
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Dude it already exists... Let me link it for you
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Misaki Yuuko
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Posted - 2009.12.11 10:37:00 -
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It's called hisec+NPC corp you dumb. A seocnd server would do exactlly nothing.
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Bentakhar
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Posted - 2009.12.11 11:45:00 -
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Let me guess! in this carebear universe, ninja salvaging would be flagged as a criminal act? I dont understand this post , in eve if you want to be a carebear , nothing can stop you really ... just stay in high sec in a noob corp and build your fat wallet. a second universe only for carebears is such a sad idea! and would add absolutely nothing.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.12.11 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Svetdana
Originally by: darius mclever i give you 4/10 for the troll.
so constructive, did it take you 2 min to think of that?
I would actually say 8/10, the attempt to make EVE into WoW was just subtle enough to get people to bite, but the rampant stupidity drags it down by 2 points. Overall, good job to be honest.
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Chi'kote
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Posted - 2009.12.11 13:15:00 -
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Props for 2-page troll. In the event it is not:
Dumbest.......Idea.........Ever
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AgentFruitfly
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Posted - 2009.12.11 13:29:00 -
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Confirmed stupidest idea evar.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2009.12.11 13:44:00 -
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We are wasting our breath, the OP has already abandoned ship... or emoragequit.
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Chi'kote
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Posted - 2009.12.11 14:03:00 -
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I know a guy that knows a guy, that has a friend of a friend, who has a cousin with a nephew that has playdates with this other mother's kid, who has a friend of a friend that said they saw him playing WoW the other day.
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FarosWarrior
Amarr Sonnema
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Posted - 2009.12.11 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sedilis Dude it already exists... Let me link it for you
cheers, Faros
"As long as we're jammed we might as well throw those 1400mm's at them" Charlie Fodder, Clear Skies |
Tylara duChelm
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Posted - 2009.12.11 14:06:00 -
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I'm a carebear, and I think this is a TERRIBLE idea. Why? Because I want to head down to Curse some day and mission out of there. Without the risk that 0.0 has, I'd just DO it, rather than wait, plot, plan, and skill.
Why? Because I want the option to be able to PvP. I think MOST carebears at least want the option.
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Windows 2k
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.12.11 14:14:00 -
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OP so what's the point of having a security level then?
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Pesets
The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2009.12.11 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sedilis Dude it already exists... Let me link it for you
OMG it actually exists?
But... OP's idea could be a nice experiment actually. A lot of people seem to think that carebears (miners/missionrunners/etc) deserve to die, are ruining the economy and have no place playing Eve. The "carebear server" could demonstrate whether Eve is really better off without them, and could introduce some negative feedback for petty griefing "because you can" (or make said feedback more apparent)...
/signed ____________________________________________________________________ Pesets - Russian for 'polar wolf'. Pronounced like 'presets' without the 'r'. |
Korizan
Red Mercury Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.12.11 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Korizan on 11/12/2009 15:05:11 We already have this.
It is called 0.0 and High-sec
And getting rid of one or the other (Pvp'rs or Carebears or high-sec and 0.0) would destabilize the game and kill it.
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Jack Be'Flippen
Inherently Risky Schemes
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Posted - 2009.12.11 15:08:00 -
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well in all honesty HE IS playing on the carebear server...
the PVP server is called SISI!
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there two servers...one filled with pvper's the other has carebear griefers... :P ----------------------------------------------- I-R-S "We have what it takes to take what you've got" |
Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2009.12.11 19:16:00 -
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If you could move back and forth between the two servers, I don't really see a problem, unless you could move assets betwee the two. Then it becomes a problem.
For all of you saying that the server would die out, I seriously doubt it. I know only a few people in eve who are actually only interested in pve. Personally I'd like to pvp, but because of the way it works (5 vs. 1, 5 win! flawless victory!), I don't really see the point. I've had some fun pvp'ing in this game, but to me it grows old fast. Apart from 0.0 small gang warfare in the middle of no-mans land (no stations). That's kinda interesting, but still subject to the age old "bigger blob wins".
So a few people would actually move to the carebear server, and most people would stay on the pvp server. The way I imagine it, it would basically be the same, but you would not be able to activate damage dealing modules on other players, and you would not be able to steal stuff or salvage owned wrecks. Minimal amount of coding needed.
The only real question is: would the demand be there? Would this catch on?
See most carebears I know either like the fact that they have to watch their backs, as it adds excitement to their ventures, or actually want to pvp but want to build up a decent walled and skills before going in to that (good strategy imo).
So the only real problem I would see with this is lack of interest.
Why would anybody be interested? Well, there are a lot of things you can only do in nullsec. With a pve server you could experience those things without worrying about gank squads. Why should CCP even consider this? Well, you wouldn't need concord on this server, and trust you me, concord needs a LOT of resources. In addition to that, npc's on grid don't drain a lot of resources, but players do.
So you would basically have some players paying the same amount of money for less juice. Good idea? You decide!
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Zeredek
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Posted - 2009.12.11 19:18:00 -
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Why? _________________ rawr |
Lijhal
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.12.11 19:34:00 -
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it already exists!!! click here for your own carebear server, go ahead and please never come back
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2009.12.11 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zeredek Why?
So carebears can do carebear stuff without the emoragequits and the forum whines of course. And so that people can try all the pve stuff that 0.0 has to offer without being gank bait. And carebears would no longer "ruin the tq economy".
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Sturdy Girl
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2009.12.11 19:53:00 -
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Worst idea ever.
Sorry, but its bad enough I don't get to fight Chinese people... I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to shoot whiney people aswell.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.12.11 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Svetdana a large percentage of the new player base really dont care for the pvp aspect of the game, the fun will be with what "the new players" are allready doing now. CCP = company = profits, do the math
Luckily CCP is a company with a vision, catering to the few that don't want your streamlined risk free grind for no purpose. Blizzard is over there.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente Construction Cabal
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Posted - 2009.12.11 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sturdy Girl Worst idea ever.
Sorry, but its bad enough I don't get to fight Chinese people... I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to shoot whiney people aswell.
The last thing I've heard all the Chinese players are in one gigantic 0.0 alliance that would make the Goons look like a knitting club.
I do see your point though, it would be totally hilarious :-)
Thing is: imagine what restrictions the totally liberal and super pluralistic are placing on the Chinese servers that would make the fine upstanding ladies and gentlemen currently populating the EVE realm collectively yell: "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF UUUUUUUUUUUUU!"
For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease. |
theRaptor
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.12.11 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Fille Balle The way I imagine it, it would basically be the same, but you would not be able to activate damage dealing modules on other players, and you would not be able to steal stuff or salvage owned wrecks. Minimal amount of coding needed.
Which shows you have neither the design knowledge or understanding of EvE to comment. EVE PVE is terrible. The worst of any real subscription MMO with over 10k players. Even the "hard" L4's break down to having enough tank, doing enough gank, and killing stuff in the right order. If you just like PVE multi-player space combat for the love of God explore the options of other games. The EvE market is player driven, that means you need people to build, and you need demand, contrary to the carebears propaganda a lot of the big industrialists do PVP and do like risk. Even on your idea of a server I could grief people out of the game entirely through economic warfare.
Do you really want to go to back when a cruiser was 50 million ISK, and wait a few years for industrialists to build up their empires enough to start producing the current mid-range toys? And do you really think people would be happy leaving all their assets behind if they decided they wanted to PVP?
Simply put making PVE EvE takes far more resources than it is worth. For those same resources CCP could probably put out EvE Wii and ship 60 million units (if you are going to ***** out for money go big). ---
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production |
Locar Quilus
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Posted - 2009.12.11 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Locar Quilus on 11/12/2009 20:56:06 relax I'll be out there in a few more years lol maybe by my ten year mark who knows.. Signature image removed. If you wish to inquire, please email [email protected] with a link to your signature. Thanks, Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
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Valentina Valentia
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.12.11 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Valentina Valentia on 11/12/2009 20:59:36
Originally by: Svetdana a large percentage of the new player base really dont care for the pvp aspect of the game, the fun will be with what "the new players" are allready doing now. CCP = company = profits, do the math
This statement is (imho) not accurate in any way. THere is no way to guage what percentage of players do not want PvP - and that seems to mean - combat PvP where the odds are stacked in a GANK format.
Player v. Player means any aspect of EVE where you compete. Sorry, but PvP is the only way that EVE works, if you want to simply "grind" for more stuff, you have a major problem in the EVE (or any game like this) format.
What I suspect is the case is this: 1. New Players LACK social networking to cooperate and collaborate on any aspect of the game. Further, many people lack the real world social skills to form "friendships" and or group dynamics. I suspect this is the real cause. When cast into the "meat-grinder" that is EVE where "numbers often count for everything" solo, just want to play and be left alone (often carebare miners) are feeling like the "world is out to get them" - and hence they feel like they need a "haven".
2. EVE is about immortal pilots, in a universe where they cannot die... you can never lose skills (well almost never; T3) if you simply update your clone(s), you can also use Jump Clones to save your implants if you are smart about it... want, +5s for training, use them when your "safely in a hanger/Offline/whatever" and jump to another clone when you are out and about... the hit on your training queue is minimal.
3. Socialize, GET OUT AND ASK A GIRL TO DANCE YOU SMUCK... this isn't a HS or Middle School dance... this is EVE (Join EVE University if you don't know what to do) and get out and lose your virginity... it's the EVE thing to do... KMs SUCK (a delete/forget option would be nice), but they are part of the game, ISK is hard to come by, but then people "Fly" things that don't make much sense alot of the time... as e-peen, and if that is the deal, then if you lose it, you have to deal with it... fly sensible for the purpose.
All in all, I think this idea of a "training wheels" server is pointless... EVE is E v E (Everyone v. Everyone) there is never any other option.
FINALLY - GO ON THE TEST SERVER IF YO WANT A GRIND UNIVERSE ALL TO YOUR OWN - or - JUST TO PLAY AROUND, LEARN, ETC.
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2009.12.11 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor Which shows you have neither the design knowledge or understanding of EvE to comment. EVE PVE is terrible. The worst of any real subscription MMO with over 10k players. Even the "hard" L4's break down to having enough tank, doing enough gank, and killing stuff in the right order. If you just like PVE multi-player space combat for the love of God explore the options of other games. The EvE market is player driven, that means you need people to build, and you need demand, contrary to the carebears propaganda a lot of the big industrialists do PVP and do like risk. Even on your idea of a server I could grief people out of the game entirely through economic warfare.
Do you really want to go to back when a cruiser was 50 million ISK, and wait a few years for industrialists to build up their empires enough to start producing the current mid-range toys? And do you really think people would be happy leaving all their assets behind if they decided they wanted to PVP?
Simply put making PVE EvE takes far more resources than it is worth. For those same resources CCP could probably put out EvE Wii and ship 60 million units (if you are going to ***** out for money go big).
No, that just shows how narrowminded you are, and how little you know. If eve pve is so terrible, then how come so many players have subscribed for that alone? And why is it that eve online recieved an award for "best pve in a mmo" Link? I bet you didn't know that.
Some people play eve simply because it is sci-fi. I started eve because of that. Not that I have no interest in pvp (pew pew), but because there is no way to win a fight 5 vs. 1 (yes I play fps games, and yes I totally pwn), eve pew pew pvp feels a bit lame to me.
And who said industrialists are carebears? Afaik being a successful industrialist, you NEED to be good at pvp (not pew pew). I think my friend, it is you who fail to understand eve online.
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Allan Sheperd
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Posted - 2009.12.11 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Svetdana a large percentage of the new player base really dont care for the pvp aspect of the game
I'm sure you did an extensive research project to determining that. I think you mean....
I really dont care for the pvp aspect of the game
In which case, just stay in high sec.
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2009.12.11 22:19:00 -
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This will never happen.
And if it does, its the day I quit Eve, as it will no longer be the game I, and a hell of a lot of people want to play.
The simple fact is, that the economy could not stand up without the losses brought about by PvP combat, and half of the stuff that exists in the game would be completely pointless... eg, sovereignty, scrams, faction ammo, covert ops, pos defences, etc. etc. etc.
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad.
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Svetdana
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Posted - 2009.12.11 23:13:00 -
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Really people, how will this "hurt" your game. It's a completely different server! Yes the "carebear" server will have a f'd up economy, but how does that hurt your pvp server? In the end, BOTH servers win, more income to CCP = more staff, more game devolment, more of everything.
All of you against the idea seem to think that most of the server will flock over to the "carebear" server. I highly doubt that will happen. You stay on the PvP server, nothing has changed! Also suggested that PvP server would get priority of the new content geared towards the game in general.
Just how does this hurt YOUR game, if you choose to stay on the PvP server? Your economy does not change, there will be no more whiney carebears trying to change YOUR game. (and looks like there has been a lot of changes to cater to them allready) Who cares about the "carebear server's" economy? yours remains the same.
The only people this hurts, is the carebear griefers... good riddance... less people emorage quitting, hitting CCP in the pocketbook. More people joining to try out the game.
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Quazal Atreides
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.12.11 23:22:00 -
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can you possibly tell me how does the pvp server's economy stay as it is....
If there are not the 'complete' carebears to mine as much as currently being mined, then their mineral prices go through the roof, then that leads to manufactures haveing to push their prices up and before you know it it will be 50mill for a cruiser..
How is this not effecting the econmy???
Finally i dont doubt you have an idea in your head, but please for love of good get stoned/drunk or whatever and get rid of this idea.... i beg off you!!!
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Svetdana
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Posted - 2009.12.11 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Quazal Atreides can you possibly tell me how does the pvp server's economy stay as it is....
If there are not the 'complete' carebears to mine as much as currently being mined, then their mineral prices go through the roof, then that leads to manufactures haveing to push their prices up and before you know it it will be 50mill for a cruiser..
How is this not effecting the econmy???
Finally i dont doubt you have an idea in your head, but please for love of good get stoned/drunk or whatever and get rid of this idea.... i beg off you!!!
Mining becomes profitable again. That is bad? Adapt, evolve, profit.
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