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Creedeth
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Posted - 2009.12.14 22:37:00 -
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Re-make the weapon systems.
Currently you can fit a battleship to deal good damage to large ships, decent to medium and crap to small.
There should be new items added to the game. For every single medium weapon there should be a "Dual" version to be used by battleships. And for each small there should be a "Dual" and a "Quad"
I know there are smaller version medium and smaller version large weapons but they do not cut the field.
Imagin fitting your Raven with 6x Quad Standard Missile Launcher II. Frigates watch out, thats for sure.
How about a 6x Dual 720mm Howitzer II tempest.
Now I am talking about weapons that would have (for real) Small and Medium stats when it comes to tracking and ammo usage.
This would require some serious balancing on how weapon damage scale. BUT. There would be nothing to prevent you from fitting your raven with 6 siege launchers, a Quad small blaster and a dual medium blaster.
Thus making large ships less vulnerable to medium and small ships. People would think twice about engaging larger ships by the simple fact that unlike today, they are not completely defenseless.
Good morning cookies say hello to my 8x Quad 150MM AutoCannon II fitted Maelstrom.
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Grarr Wrexx
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Posted - 2009.12.14 22:38:00 -
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Like small drones, neutralizers, scramblers, webs, and god what else? Battleships don't need even more anti-frig superiority.
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Creedeth
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Posted - 2009.12.14 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Wrexx Like small drones, neutralizers, scramblers, webs, and god what else? Battleships don't need even more anti-frig superiority.
We are talking about BATTLESHIPS vs FRIGATES. 60-140m ships vs 200k ships
Have you even seen the difference in size between these ships on a picture? its almost so that Battleships should have both small and medium guns by DEFAULT...
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mchief117
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Wrexx Like small drones, neutralizers, scramblers, webs, and god what else? Battleships don't need even more anti-frig superiority.
you keep complainging about how doing this would kill frigs that much faster, but have you given thought to how your frigs big bro with large guns is going to plow a bs equiped with small slass guns who cant do any real damage to it
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Grarr Wrexx
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Creedeth
Originally by: Grarr Wrexx Like small drones, neutralizers, scramblers, webs, and god what else? Battleships don't need even more anti-frig superiority.
We are talking about BATTLESHIPS vs FRIGATES. 60-140m ships vs 200k ships
Have you even seen the difference in size between these ships on a picture? its almost so that Battleships should have both small and medium guns by DEFAULT...
When has size ever mattered in eve? Well, past titans.
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Drakarin
Gallente The Abyssmal Spire Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:21:00 -
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Size equates a bigger generator, so more power, and more overall space on the ship to fit bigger and MORE guns, as well as power up defenses far greater than any smaller ship can ever hope to achieve.
From an immersion point of view, the ship designs are totally out of whack, but unfortunately it's necessary for game balance.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:24:00 -
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Quote: . 60-140m ships vs 200k ships
Have you even seen the difference in size between these ships on a picture? its almost so that Battleships should have both small and medium guns by DEFAULT...
About the only modi****of an argument you have here is that battleships are more expensive, therefore they should wtfpwn small ships...an argument which is totally undone by the fact that a 60m-140m FULLY INSURABLE BS will usually win against a 150+ mil BARELY INSURABLE HAC.
No.
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Ethan Blacknova
Gallente The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:40:00 -
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I like the OP, however, I think that wile BS should be ale to be fitted to defend better against smaller ships, it should be a T2 Variant that does this.
T2 BS that Fits Double Medium guns and Quad Small guns.
also:
T2 Cruiser that fits Double Small Guns.
These would have large CPU requirements like a cloaking device, that are reduced by the ship's role bonus.
There's a big gap in eve, and that is larger 'point defense' ships.
I'd also like to see T2 Fleet Support Dreads that carry 'Twin Large' guns. These would be used to support BS fleets in conventional warfare.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:46:00 -
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Quote: There's a big gap in eve, and that is larger 'point defense' ships.
I agree. We certainly need a ship that totally obsoletes all ships smaller than it.
No. We already have 'point defense' ships. AML caracals, sniper HACs, and destroyers...or your own frigates. Or, a dominix.
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Sigras
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Posted - 2009.12.15 14:20:00 -
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do you guys realize that, using lasers as an example as they're FOTM, 2x the medium guns with the same stats of medium guns as you're proposing on an Armageddon would do WAY more damage with better tracking and less cap usage?
Perhaps run the numbers first and propose the idea second.
if you want medium guns on an Armageddon, put medium guns on an Armageddon and shut up.
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Musashibou Benkei
Caldari Combined Imperial Fleet
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Posted - 2009.12.15 14:25:00 -
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You know there's an easier fix to this, right?
Weapon Scaling
CCP are once again being lazyasses and not implementing this. The idea behind this would be all ships get a universal weapon bonus and not restricted to a certain size (seriously, who's gonna fit large guns on a battlecruiser?)
So the end result should be instead of:
Megathron Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level.
would become: Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level.
And before anyone decides to badmouth this, you might wanna take a step back and take a look at the harbinger's bonus that isn't restricted to medium lasers. I don't see anyone crying about that?
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.12.15 15:08:00 -
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As a Dev once said: Battleships are not meant to be solo wtfbbqpwnmachines.
CCP have repeatedly said they want all ships to have roles. The role of a BS is ceratinly not shooting frigates. So, no, your idea is terrible. Use drones or bring a friend on a destroyer.
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Sigras
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Posted - 2009.12.15 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Musashibou Benkei You know there's an easier fix to this, right?
Weapon Scaling
CCP are once again being lazyasses and not implementing this. The idea behind this would be all ships get a universal weapon bonus and not restricted to a certain size (seriously, who's gonna fit large guns on a battlecruiser?)
So the end result should be instead of:
Megathron Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level.
would become: Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level.
And before anyone decides to badmouth this, you might wanna take a step back and take a look at the harbinger's bonus that isn't restricted to medium lasers. I don't see anyone crying about that?
I really like this idea . . . it gives people the option to do relatively little damage to ships their own size while acting as a fleet point defense ship, and best of all, it doesnt make the ship over powered as it wont be doing more damage to frigates than say a destroyer, but its way harder to kill.
This would be balanced by still taking full damage from battleship guns and being slow as cold tar as far as frigates are concerned.
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