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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.12.16 00:14:00 -
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This is a long standing problem. Currently players are unable to simply check the 'war target' tick box and have any and all war targets show up on overview, regardless of their other existing standings or status such as bounty or security status etc.
The same issue exists with other types of standings. You can't have negative standings show up on your overview without also adding neutrals. This is a huge problem for a large number of players.
Please change the coding so that we're able to have a target set that has one of any of a set of attributes instead of requiring all possible attributes to be checked. I don't know if I'm articulating the issue accurately, if you need more clarification please ask.
Thanks in advance for fixing this problem. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
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Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.16 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Jita on 16/12/2009 00:29:48 yeah, super annoying problem forever.
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Bellum Eternus
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.12.16 01:00:00 -
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S U P P O R T E D -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.12.16 01:16:00 -
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GET ON THIS ALEK OR I WANT MY 190385183 VOTES BACK! ♥
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Kafkan
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Posted - 2009.12.16 02:27:00 -
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This is how I set up my overview to make sure that I know exactly who is red and who is not.
1. Get somewhere safe in space undocked.
2. Open Overview Settings (right click the little triangle at the top of your overview)
3. Select "Appearance" tab.
4. select "colortag" tab under appearance.
5. find and select "pilot is at war" and click "move up" at the bottom until "is at war" is at the very top.
6. Right click on "Pilot is at war" and then toggle blink. This makes them show up in local better.
7. Move up and toggle "piolot has horrible standings" and "bad standings" to the 2nd and 3rd top spots.
8. Move "Pilot is in your fleet", "...in your corp", "in your alliance", and "high standings" to the 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. So these will show up above things like "outlaw" which only matter with neutrals.
Don't forget to save the profile.
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Kafkan
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Posted - 2009.12.16 02:32:00 -
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There are also ways to set up an overview tab that only shows reds and/or war targets and not blues or fleet members. Or a tab that only shows fleet members (great for logistics or remote rep ships). Eve-mail me if you need to know how.
Finally when in fleet battles it helps to sort the overview by "name" and not distance because it makes it much easier to find the primary being called by the FC.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.12.16 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kafkan This is how I set up my overview to make sure that I know exactly who is red and who is not.
1. Get somewhere safe in space undocked.
2. Open Overview Settings (right click the little triangle at the top of your overview)
3. Select "Appearance" tab.
4. select "colortag" tab under appearance.
5. find and select "pilot is at war" and click "move up" at the bottom until "is at war" is at the very top.
6. Right click on "Pilot is at war" and then toggle blink. This makes them show up in local better.
7. Move up and toggle "piolot has horrible standings" and "bad standings" to the 2nd and 3rd top spots.
8. Move "Pilot is in your fleet", "...in your corp", "in your alliance", and "high standings" to the 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. So these will show up above things like "outlaw" which only matter with neutrals.
Don't forget to save the profile.
It's so hard to tolerate stupid people. I know how to set up my overview perfectly well. It's insulting for you to make such a post as it implies that you think I don't know what I'm doing and that I'm incompetent. Only a complete ****ing idiot would think that I haven't thoroughly analysed the situation before making this post.
Clearly you don't fight empire wars or have never come across the issues that all ultra skilled players come across when they're trying to get precisely what they want out of their overview settings. Otherwise you wouldn't have made two posts trying to 'help' me with my overview settings.
To reiterate the current issue: it is impossible to simply check 'war targets' and have the said war targets show up without assigning negative standings to the war targets and then checking war targets *and* 'players with horrible standing' (as an example) in order to keep neutrals off of the overview while still keeping war targets.
The issue is compounded when you have players with different types of security status, bounties and all sorts of other small differences. Furthermore, the current work arounds are simply unacceptable.
I don't want *anything* on my overview other than war targets. It's disgusting that you thought it would be a good idea to explain to me how to set up my overview. Twice. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
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Jaxxon Voers
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.12.16 07:47:00 -
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I for one support Bellum and his right to facepalm noobs with helper syndrome.
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crastar
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Posted - 2009.12.16 11:26:00 -
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yay
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Omega Flames
Caldari Last Resort Inn SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2009.12.16 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus It's so hard to tolerate stupid people. I know how to set up my overview perfectly well. It's insulting for you to make such a post as it implies that you think I don't know what I'm doing and that I'm incompetent. Only a complete ****ing idiot would think that I haven't thoroughly analysed the situation before making this post.
Clearly you don't fight empire wars or have never come across the issues that all ultra skilled players come across when they're trying to get precisely what they want out of their overview settings. Otherwise you wouldn't have made two posts trying to 'help' me with my overview settings.
To reiterate the current issue: it is impossible to simply check 'war targets' and have the said war targets show up without assigning negative standings to the war targets and then checking war targets *and* 'players with horrible standing' (as an example) in order to keep neutrals off of the overview while still keeping war targets.
The issue is compounded when you have players with different types of security status, bounties and all sorts of other small differences. Furthermore, the current work arounds are simply unacceptable.
I don't want *anything* on my overview other than war targets. It's disgusting that you thought it would be a good idea to explain to me how to set up my overview. Twice.
After having reread your original post I would like to salute Kafkan on trying to be helpful to someone who (according to your post) had no clue how to simply rearrange the icons to make them suit you better. Your OP never mentioned you only wanted WT's showing just that you wanted them showing and he put forth his time to help you achieve that goal. Seriously if all you can say to those who try to help you is F'off then don't bother posting here with any more of your problems.
I do not support this topic.
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LustBunny
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Posted - 2009.12.16 13:20:00 -
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The OP is correct. The 'Helper' is correct.
The flame is not needed. Sorting war targets out of the chaff is damn near impossible even with all of the suggestions pointed out in the subsequent posts.
In empire identifying a war target on a crowded gate without having 'show all' selected is a study in frustration. And if you have WTs visible you're lagged to sin because you're also having to parse everything else at the gate.
Target is at War should be a trump card. If selected it supersedes all other filters whether on or off.
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Kafkan
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Posted - 2009.12.16 14:15:00 -
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Blah, sorry to have caused you such pain, little did I know you were such a sage and experienced pilot.
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.12.16 14:19:00 -
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Each option needs an include and an exclude option rather than a single tick box.
My overview should only show players that qualify under any Inclusion filter and dont qualify for any Exclusion filters.
Include Exclude [x] [ ] Wartargets [x] [ ] Global criminal [ ] [x] Gang Members [ ] [ ] Neutrals Standing
^^ Like so.
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Pasus Nauran
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Posted - 2009.12.16 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan Each option needs an include and an exclude option rather than a single tick box.
My overview should only show players that qualify under any Inclusion filter and dont qualify for any Exclusion filters.
Include Exclude [x] [ ] Wartargets [x] [ ] Global criminal [ ] [x] Gang Members [ ] [ ] Neutrals Standing
^^ Like so.
This would be wonderful. It's a real hassle to isolate and display only one kind of target with the current system.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2009.12.16 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan Each option needs an include and an exclude option rather than a single tick box.
My overview should only show players that qualify under any Inclusion filter and dont qualify for any Exclusion filters.
Include Exclude [x] [ ] Wartargets [x] [ ] Global criminal [ ] [x] Gang Members [ ] [ ] Neutrals Standing
^^ Like so.
not bad
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Orakkus
m3 Corp Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.16 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan Each option needs an include and an exclude option rather than a single tick box.
My overview should only show players that qualify under any Inclusion filter and dont qualify for any Exclusion filters.
Include Exclude [x] [ ] Wartargets [x] [ ] Global criminal [ ] [x] Gang Members [ ] [ ] Neutrals Standing
^^ Like so.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.12.16 21:35:00 -
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I have heard people get ganked in Jita because there are Jita-loads of neuts in space on the overview and it can be difficult to quickly see if anything might be at war with you. Furthermore, I have heard there are corps in Jita who war dec random alliances in hopes of ganking haulers who don't see them amongst the Jita-load of ships sitting at the gate or outside station. Just what I've heard.
So, it would be nice to have an overview setting to clear out everyone else except the war targets when hauling in, say, Jita.
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Asuri Kinnes
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.12.17 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan Each option needs an include and an exclude option rather than a single tick box.
My overview should only show players that qualify under any Inclusion filter and dont qualify for any Exclusion filters.
Include Exclude [x] [ ] Wartargets [x] [ ] Global criminal [ ] [x] Gang Members [ ] [ ] Neutrals Standing
^^ Like so.
Nicely done!
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.12.17 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan Each option needs an include and an exclude option rather than a single tick box.
My overview should only show players that qualify under any Inclusion filter and dont qualify for any Exclusion filters.
Include Exclude [x] [ ] Wartargets [x] [ ] Global criminal [ ] [x] Gang Members [ ] [ ] Neutrals Standing
^^ Like so.
Or....
"Place a check in the boxes you wish to see on your overview, unchecked boxes will not be visible:"
[x] Wartargets [ ] Global Criminal [ ] Gang Members [ ] Neutrals [ ] etc.
Also: I read the OP and understood exactly what he was asking for, and it was not what was "suggested". ♥
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.12.17 05:38:00 -
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The use the the brackets to visually describe the issue is a good one. I'll try to explain further:
The current situation-
If you need to have a war target on your overview you need to do as follows:
[x]war target [x]pilot has horrible standing [x]pilot has bad standing [x]pilot has bounty
etc. etc.
If a pilot belongs to *any* of those particular groups, you must check *every* group he belongs to in order for the pilot to show up.
What I want is the ability to check which attributes I want to associate with my viewable targets, so that if a player has multiple attributes I can ask for any one of those attributes to display that target on my overview.
Example:
[x]war target, displays only war targets, everything else is off the overview, regardless of what their other attributes are.
What is even *worse* than the war target situation is that if you're only dealing with players with negative standing you *can't* have -10 targets on your overview without neutrals on the same overview. This is an issue of you're using neutral alts to scout and simply want to display only targets that have negative standing set and nothing else.
Does the above help explain the issue further? -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
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Jared Ulfsuun
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Posted - 2009.12.17 09:55:00 -
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.12.17 11:49:00 -
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Supported, this is very long overdue.
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.12.17 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Dav Varan Each option needs an include and an exclude option rather than a single tick box.
My overview should only show players that qualify under any Inclusion filter and dont qualify for any Exclusion filters.
Include Exclude [x] [ ] Wartargets [x] [ ] Global criminal [ ] [x] Gang Members [ ] [ ] Neutrals Standing
^^ Like so.
Or....
"Place a check in the boxes you wish to see on your overview, unchecked boxes will not be visible:"
[x] Wartargets [ ] Global Criminal [ ] Gang Members [ ] Neutrals [ ] etc.
Also: I read the OP and understood exactly what he was asking for, and it was not what was "suggested".
[x] Wartargets [x] Global Criminal [ ] Gang Members [ ] Neutrals [ ] etc.
The problem with an inclusive list as requested in the above example , is if any of my gang members get themselves GCC's they will now appear on my overview and there is no way to exclude them without also excluding all other GCC players around me , which I dont want.
I want to see wartarget , I want to see gcc's , I do not want to see gang members ( whether or not they have gcc ).
Include , Exclude [x][ ] Wartarget [x][ ] GCC [ ][x] Gang member
supported in original reply.
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2009.12.17 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Insa Rexion on 17/12/2009 16:21:02
nvm --------------------------------------------
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Izo Alabaster
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company
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Posted - 2009.12.17 16:51:00 -
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The ability to show nothing but wartargets would be a nice addition to the overview settings. |
Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.18 22:29:00 -
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Supported ofc
Centuries ago, the Bible warned of dangers posed by evil men described as master[s] at evil ideas and scheming to do bad. (Proverbs 24:8) PRIVATEERS Officialy nerfed by CCP 05/07 |
Pyea
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Posted - 2009.12.18 22:37:00 -
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In the words of fry. Fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it.
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Neu Bastian
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.18 22:53:00 -
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Quote:
Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
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ROSSLINDEN0
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Posted - 2009.12.19 00:39:00 -
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supported
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Kushan
Caldari Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.12.19 06:22:00 -
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Supported.
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