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Myfanwy Pisces
P H O E N I X
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Posted - 2009.12.16 18:56:00 -
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Either I suck at browsing these forums for answers or (and this one is much more fun for me) you all suck at spotting the obvious downside in this really pretty injection of sailing spaceship err ship... thing...
...and havn't asked/whined about it yet thereby depriving me of my enlightenment and forcing me to start my own thread meaning more typing & worky for me - seriously not cool. Anyhow -
Confirmation: One character on each account can redeem (take delivery of) one unit of Zephyr within a finite period of time.
As there will be no blueprints thrown into the game, there will be a finite number of these things once the holiday gift season thingy-ma-jig is over.
Still with me? Good stuff!
Why hasn't anyone else commented on the imminent zeppy ganking sprees come new year followed by the multiple billions thick contract ransoms for 'collectors ships' that are too risky to undock?
I'm not particularly witty or quick thinking which means there must be some things I'm missing about this ship so please feel free to throw them on little grey coloured boxes underneath my much cooler black box you're looking at here.
Thanks in advance and yes its a really pretty ship, I just hope I'll be able to undock it in a years time without getting ass ****d without lube the moment I clear the station.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.16 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Myfanwy Pisces Why hasn't anyone else commented on the imminent zeppy ganking sprees come new year followed by the multiple billions thick contract ransoms for 'collectors ships' that are too risky to undock?
Because it's a non-issue. Compare it with the snowball launchers or the Apotheosis and see what problems those caused (viz. none whatsoever). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Keiko Shizuka
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Posted - 2009.12.16 18:59:00 -
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You will be able to redeem the holiday ship once per active (not trial) account and will no longer be available after Jan 6th 2010, so make sure you log in to receive yours.
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JSC
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Posted - 2009.12.16 19:01:00 -
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I still use my Apotheosis occasionally. This will be more useful though.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.12.16 19:03:00 -
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There are several threads about ganking zephyrs.
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Myfanwy Pisces
P H O E N I X
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Posted - 2009.12.16 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: JSC I still use my Apotheosis occasionally. This will be more useful though.
Yes it will and it looks a whole lot better, much more than the launchers from 2005 which err don't look at, I mean you can't see them - that one yes.
The point I'm trying to make is, eve will have X number of unique ships inserted into it over the course of a limited timeframe.
Once that time is up, maybe not straight away - their value will start to skyrocket as people get them blown up, quit, lose them in their belly lint etc...
But fair enough, as someone above me said - the other limited bits & bobs didn't impact that much so I guess I'm barking about nothing.
Thats good to know at least^^
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.16 19:11:00 -
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It's a holiday gift.
All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2009.12.16 19:17:00 -
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The points you bring up are sort of a given. Any unique item may face issues like that. It's just assumed. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.12.16 19:52:00 -
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300.000 paid accounts, it should be a ship or two spare if they all redeem them...
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:12:00 -
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I just hope that they don't throw the design away "now that they used it" but make a real ship based on those solar sails, BC sized or even a bit bigger. Possibly an exploration ship?
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:21:00 -
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i think its largely useless compared to modern covops ships.
Sure, if your a noob without a covops ship, it might be worth flying around. But frigates have negligible mass when it comes to wh exploration anyway
Give it a 100% bonus to scan strength. since it can only use exploration probes, this shouldnt be unbalancing. OHGODS BELOW THIS LINE IS MY SIG !!!! SRSLY! Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. Lance is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
TraderJade
Caldari Secure Production Research and Trading
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:26:00 -
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at the end of the day...
it's free!
if you can't fly it without dying then maybe you just shouldn't undock in it.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter i think its largely useless compared to modern covops ships.
I think that's the point.
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Night Epoch
Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:50:00 -
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I think people are investing a little too much worry into the Zephyr.
It's a free holiday gift that everybody gets. It's a nice gesture from CCP wishing their fans happy holidays.
But seriously, don't undock them if you don't want to lose them. They'll be absolutely RIPE suicide gank targets - do NOT undock with your Zephyr in high sec at a market hub, you'll almost certainly get ganked as everybody attempts to increase their rarity and value.
But I don't think we should be complaining that CCP's nice free gift of a pretty ship is a juicy gank target. Any limited edition ship like that would be. So let's not complain, and be happy that we'll have a pretty FREE ship to spin in our hangars.
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Pesets
The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2009.12.16 21:00:00 -
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The prices of Apotheosis haven't really skyrocketed over time, they're like what, 10mil apiece? Even Interbus shuttles (which are much rarer) have in fact dropped from 60-90mil to around 30mil. Surely neither of them looks as awesome as Zephyr, and of course some people will find a way to lose theirs on the first day, but there still will be thousands of them left in game. There won't be any "multiple billion thick ransoms", it's no Guardian Vexor ffs. Besides, you can't really ransom in hisec, you either blow it up or you don't. It's essentially a shuttle, so you need to be fitted specifically for ganking it to have much of a chance. And people won't be camping you for the whole year for the off chance you might undock it. Give it a couple weeks at most, they will get bored out of their mind and move on.
Pro tip - don't redeem it in Jita IV-4 (or any other station with heavy traffic), don't autopilot in it, and you will be 99% safe. ____________________________________________________________________ Pesets - Russian for 'polar wolf'. Pronounced like 'presets' without the 'r'. |
Varesk
Gallente Maelstrom Crew Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.12.16 21:11:00 -
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it has a sig radius of 25m. same as a shuttle.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.16 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Varesk it has a sig radius of 25m. same as a shuttle.
And your mom
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Kiviar
Caldari Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.12.16 23:02:00 -
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Considering that there are going to be tens of thousands of the things out there, I would expect their price to level out at about 15-30 mil based on what we saw with the Apotheosis and Interbus/cosmos Shuttles. ---
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.12.16 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Varesk it has a sig radius of 25m. same as a shuttle.
And your mom
No, I'm pretty certain she has a sig radius of 12km ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made. |
Gritstone
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.12.16 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega It's a holiday gift.
All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again.
This ^^ (BSG quote ftw)
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2009.12.17 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gritstone
Originally by: Dretzle Omega It's a holiday gift.
All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again.
This ^^ (BSG quote ftw)
Stolen from Babylon 5. -- He said "The President is near."
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Tbear
Cave Bear Mining
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Posted - 2009.12.17 01:27:00 -
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I think it's cool and I appreciate CCP doing it. But a word of warning to noobs, if you go into a WH, zoom out your view before you move! Wouldn't want you to lose your ship to unhappy WH residents
CCP could do a lot more of this kind of thing just to keep us old vets interested.... Give me new things to find and explore and I'm one happy carebear....
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captain skinback
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Posted - 2009.12.17 01:30:00 -
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the only time it would ever be actively used is for scouting sleeper sites and creating bookmarks in said sleeper sites. with a cov ops ship they sometimes bump off an object, uncloaks and dies. apart from that its just another pretty shuttle.
it would be awesome if you could set the it to replace your pod when you loose a ship. if you get killed in your scanning ship in a wormhole you would be able to scan a way out keeping your implants. actually scratch that idea bookmarking wormholes is as important as keeping your clone up to date. if you mess up and forget to do it you deserve whats coming.
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Eric Thebee
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Posted - 2009.12.17 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Gritstone
Originally by: Dretzle Omega It's a holiday gift.
All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again.
This ^^ (BSG quote ftw)
Stolen from Babylon 5.
Or borrowed from Lexx?
"Time begins, and then time ends, and then time begins once again. It is happening now, it has happened before, it will surely happen again."
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Pesets
The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2009.12.17 02:15:00 -
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It would be problematic for B5 to borrow from Lexx, seeing how it ended before Lexx even started airing. And BSG (original) predates both of them by a couple of decades. And the concept itself probably predates BSG by a few millennia, so the point is kinda moot :) ____________________________________________________________________ Pesets - Russian for 'polar wolf'. Pronounced like 'presets' without the 'r'. |
Eric Thebee
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Posted - 2009.12.17 02:37:00 -
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I think we were speculating where Dretzle Omega was quoting from, not the ultimate origin of the concept - I know I was.
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BalZ
Gallente topSTUFFed Productions Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.17 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Myfanwy Pisces I just hope I'll be able to undock it in a years time without getting ass ****d without lube the moment I clear the station.
But... but you poop from there!
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Alt0101
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Posted - 2009.12.17 07:13:00 -
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this ship doesn't require any skills so it can be flown by an account alt.
you can get inside the WH with your alt in the Zephyr then log-off. Come back with your main in a covops and do your business.
In the case you get podded and can't find your way out.. log off with your pod next to a celestial,log in with the alt, find an exit with the zephyr, bookmark it, warp to 0 to the celestial your pod is logged off, drop a can with the bookmark, log in with your pod, open the can and get the exit bookmark, you are done.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.12.17 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Fox on 17/12/2009 10:57:09 Damn those intaki competing against me!
Still a cool ship design looks like something out of star trek once.
Also the sleeper immune idea is nice but not something I wanna put on my sisters of eve ships i've been designing. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 11OCT09
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.12.17 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 17/12/2009 11:43:09
Originally by: Lance Fighter Sure, if your a noob without a covops ship, it might be worth flying around. But frigates have negligible mass when it comes to wh exploration anyway
1,500,000 is not negligable for repeated trips through it. The zephyr has only 5000 mass so it could conceivably scout out many many wormholes passing back and forth between them several times and not so much as make the total mass limit flicker. Add in that you have gate cloak when you appear on the other side of a wormhole and can instanly jump back as soon as the session timer runs out without having to travel. So even a camped bubbled wormhole will only make it impossible to advance and not be instadeath trying to lumber back to a gate like in normal space.
Originally by: Lance Fighter Give it a 100% bonus to scan strength. since it can only use exploration probes, this shouldnt be unbalancing.
/signed
At the least give it the t1 astrometic bonus of 25% so it can reliably scan out all the anomolies in a given wormhole system if the pilot has max skills along with sisters probes and scan implants.
Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
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