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MiltGyver
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Posted - 2009.12.17 03:11:00 -
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I've played with EFT, and am just not sure, probably because I've only been in less than 3 Wspaces and only when they first came out. What's the best, or a very good Caldari or Gallente ship choice to take into low class wormholes solo, and how likely is it that I can find and take something of value, provided I don't get ganked etc. My Caldari skills are better than Gallente but I'm open to suggestions from either race. Feel free to flame and burn this thread if I've missed something obvious that's been kept hidden from me
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Intangible Mirage
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Posted - 2009.12.17 03:24:00 -
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Tengu does very well.
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MiltGyver
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Posted - 2009.12.17 03:39:00 -
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I figured that answer would show up... is there something cheap that will do well, to start off with and learn the Wspace experience a bit
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MiltGyver
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Posted - 2009.12.17 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: MiltGyver on 17/12/2009 03:53:36 Edited by: MiltGyver on 17/12/2009 03:52:47 How about a falcon? Not enough DPS? ECM would work yes?
Or a drake? Or a Cerb? Or a BS?
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Sideof Fries
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Posted - 2009.12.17 06:50:00 -
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I'm wondering the same thing, though from what I've heard, a Drake is pretty good for wormholing. I'm not sure how good a fitting it would need though...
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Aeon Storm
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.12.17 06:58:00 -
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Really depends on your skills. I can clear a lot of a level 1 WH with a Caracal. Generally speaking its Battlecruiser for Class-1 and Class-2. May have to warp out a few times on some of the sites. Well fit Battleship, Command ship, Hac for Class-3.
We do Class-4's with 2 rr Tech III's, or 3 remote rep Battleships, or 5-6 Hac/Command ship/ecm. Class-5 and 6 require much larger gangs and much higher dps to get through final groups of remote rep Sleeper gangs.
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Spike Spegel
Minmatar Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2009.12.17 11:41:00 -
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C1-C2
Drake:
Low Slot 2 x Shield Power Relay II 2 x Ballistic Control System II
Medium Slot 3 x Large Shield Extender II 2 x Invulnerability Field II 1 x Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron (named Target Painter)
High Slot 7 x Heavy Missile Launcher II Core Probe Launcher I
Rigs 2 x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I 1 x Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Drones 5 x Hobgoblin II's Spike out |
Kronjin Altshin
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Posted - 2009.12.17 11:54:00 -
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A Drake is a good choice for L1 and L2 WHs. Any decent BS will work in L2.
Frontier L3 sites are solo'able in a CNR or other high end BS and good skills, but watch out for the warp scramblers in L3's, and the sleepers just chew up and spit out drones here too. Recommend 2-3 person fleet for other L3 sites (Solar, Oruze)
The really good ISK for running the plexes in WH space comes from SALVAGE not looting. So you will need to bring along a salvager (or come back in your favorite salvage ship) and have Salvage IV skills for the better BS Sleeper wrecks.
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BrutusIW
The Order of Odin
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Posted - 2009.12.17 13:26:00 -
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[Drake] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Afterburner II Invulnerability Field II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Small Remote Armor Repair System II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
plus drones of your choice.
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i put a remote armour rep on there to repair drones because they will get shot at by the sleepers if you are on your own, with more than one ship around drones dont get shot at.
you need to pick and choose your targets and know the kill order for every site you do, so check out eve-survival with the ingame browser as it will save your skin.
use eve survival to find anomalies that only ever spawn one battleship sleeper at a time, these include all c2 and 2/4 of the c3 sites, in these sites afterburn towards the bs and orbit at around 1000m keeping the afterburner on to reduce chances of getting hit and so you only take the bs missles and the cruisers/frigate dmg. the more you do them you will realise that certain spawns spawn in the the same place in every site, so move there to preempt the spawn and reduce the time you are getting shot at by the bs turrets.
if you are taking a lot of damage, pop out your drones and let them orbit you, watch the sleepers for when they switch from red to yellow (and are now targeting your drones) hug the battleship and bring the drones back in, hopefully you will have regained some shields, with just a bs left to kill use your drones to kill it as the bs tracking isnt good enough to kill them and it will give you a bit more dps to kill the bs.
as a rough estimate a c2 site yields 20-30m and a c3 yields 30+, you wil need to come back in a salvager to empty the wrecks and collect (hopefully) some nanoribbons when you salvage.
the most important thing is to scout out the system first, look on evemaps.dotlan for the system information, how busy it is, whether any one else has been killing stuff in there in the last hour/24 hours, check for pos's, wrecks and of course turn off overview settings on the scanner and directional scan 360 the entire system to look for probes and other signs of life, and when you are running the site you will be hitting the scan button a lot
my last point is - fitted drake 50m max, tengu 500-600m before fittings, risk vs reward - you can make back the cost of a drake in a single good session with 3 c2 sites, so whilst it might be faster to run them in a tengu, choose wisely and take ya time doing it.
final word - dont forget to bookmark the entrance!!!!!!!!
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Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari Free Spirits
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Posted - 2009.12.17 14:03:00 -
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Why is everyone forgetting the salvager on these setups?
Most profits really come from salvaging the frigs/cruisers for the Melted Nanoribbons in the C1/C2 WH's, only in C3+ the (intermediate/advanced) BS loot is good for more money.
My solo WH drake always have 6 HML II's and 1 salvager + 1 probe launcher on it.
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Ben Harrigan
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Posted - 2009.12.17 15:22:00 -
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Drake is the obvious answer of course, otherwise most non-drone based BCs will probably manage in a C1.
I have experienced good results in a hurricane. If you don't have missiles available make sure to fit for short range, and have an MWD and a webber. Sleepers like to engage at your weakest range.
C1 salvage can be very worthwhile - but its quite random.
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Yerotun
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Posted - 2009.12.17 19:53:00 -
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drake, onyx, nighthawk, hell even the cerb with some tinkering can do it
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MiltGyver
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Posted - 2009.12.17 20:14:00 -
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Thanks a lot for the comments.
Has anyone tried to use a Scorpion with ECM?
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MiltGyver
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Posted - 2009.12.17 22:48:00 -
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Also, why a Core PL? When looking for sites don't you need the expanded? Core is for ships/drones/structures but I thought that didn't work on rat ships etc??
Either way, I don't have the CPU to fit an expanded CPL.
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Myo Pi
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.18 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: MiltGyver Also, why a Core PL? When looking for sites don't you need the expanded? Core is for ships/drones/structures but I thought that didn't work on rat ships etc??
Other way round. Expanded (with combat probes) is for ships/drones/structures etc. No, they don't work on rat ships, it's the exploration sites they are floating around in that you need to find. Core is fine for this.
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MiltGyver
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Posted - 2009.12.18 00:38:00 -
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Oh I thought the core was for recon only. Looks like it can't do recon and surveying instead. I had it back-asswards.
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2009.12.18 11:13:00 -
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[Drake, Solo C3] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Recharger II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Warrior II x5
Handles all class 3 anamolys with ease and even some of the Radars and Magnos.
You will need a salvager alt or something.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.12.18 11:20:00 -
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Asking the same question.. What sort of DPS would you expect to get from a C1, C2 and C3? This will help with the EFT warrioring.
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BrutusIW
The Order of Odin
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Posted - 2009.12.18 12:21:00 -
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id say its more bs dps thats the issue in sleeper sites, a drake can handle one bs, especially if its full tank like mahdi's, but you also want more dps than a full tank drake puts out, hence the 2bcs on my fitting.
what i would say is 2 sleeper bs will give you issues if you sit more than 10km off them and dont move at all (or are webbed) they will melt your tank and you'll need to warp out to recharge, if you are moving at speed and orbiting close to the bs you negate a good chunk of their dps and make life easier for yourself.
what i will add is that you have the option of team mates (even 1 more is enough to make it a lot easier with dps, 2 if you have a friendly salvager) who aswell as providing double the dps and lending a hand with a remote repper should you need it, are also there spamming the dscan button with you to keep an eye out for trouble (the salvager can sit cloaked an exit wh to watch it).
(order of odin is recruiting - join 'TOOO Chat' if you are interested in wormhole life)
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This NameTaken
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Posted - 2009.12.18 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: MiltGyver Thanks a lot for the comments.
Has anyone tried to use a Scorpion with ECM?
Yep. The scorp SUCKS for a solo wh boat. It can't deliver enough damage to the small ships found in class 2 wh's. The drake is MUCH better for solo work. However, I've been toying with a RR armour tanked scorp to use with friends. One of the interesting things about ecm boats, is that the sleepers hate them. When jamming sleepers, they almost completely ignore my drones. It's possible that a scorp might be a huge help to a drone boat that wants to run sleeper sites.
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NyteTyger
Gallente NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.18 15:57:00 -
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I've been EFTing some WH set ups, and the Myrm looks pretty good on paper as far as versatility and survivability. But I don't see it mentioned here. Does it not do well in practice? __________________________________________
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2009.12.18 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: This NameTaken
Originally by: MiltGyver Thanks a lot for the comments.
Has anyone tried to use a Scorpion with ECM?
Yep. The scorp SUCKS for a solo wh boat. It can't deliver enough damage to the small ships found in class 2 wh's. The drake is MUCH better for solo work. However, I've been toying with a RR armour tanked scorp to use with friends. One of the interesting things about ecm boats, is that the sleepers hate them. When jamming sleepers, they almost completely ignore my drones. It's possible that a scorp might be a huge help to a drone boat that wants to run sleeper sites.
Agreeded. It's an excellent group ship though, just be warned, it will suck up any and all aggro. Stack plates in the lows, and bring RR. DC, EANM IIs, and a 1600mm plate is what I normally fit. Consider Trimarks if you're running C4s.
You can use any racial jammer on sleepers with equal effectiveness, so bring a full stack of 6-7 meta 4s or T2s. You can completely permajam some ships at times, but the battleships will eventually burn thorough your jam at times. Make sure you've got RR cycled on the Scorpion already, because the burst damage can be huge at times.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.18 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: MiltGyver Thanks a lot for the comments.
Has anyone tried to use a Scorpion with ECM?
Works great... but you need someone to DPS for you.
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MiltGyver
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Posted - 2009.12.18 18:56:00 -
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Other than what's been said about drones already, I would like to know about the Myrm as well. It sounds like I will be able to convince a buddy to go with me and he wants to fly a Myrm.
Also, how many classes are there? On the wiki I read 6 tops, but dotlan has 9 listed, and according to the dotlan list I found a Class 7 yesterday. How crazy does it get in a 9 if they exist???!?!!!
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Ayx Shewma
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Posted - 2009.12.18 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ayx Shewma on 18/12/2009 19:08:32
Originally by: MiltGyver Other than what's been said about drones already, I would like to know about the Myrm as well. It sounds like I will be able to convince a buddy to go with me and he wants to fly a Myrm.
Also, how many classes are there? On the wiki I read 6 tops, but dotlan has 9 listed, and according to the dotlan list I found a Class 7 yesterday. How crazy does it get in a 9 if they exist???!?!!!
classes 7, 8 and 9 are used for wormholes exiting W-space.
7 exits to high sec, 8 exits to low sec, 9 exits to 0.0.
I think...
see this pic for a better idea: known wormholes
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Tyranus vonCarstein
Eternal Night Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.19 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: TheMahdi [Drake, Solo C3]
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Are sleepers really that much weaker to EM damage as opposed to anything else? Drake gets 5% bonus to kinetic per level, so easily +20%. Or was this simply a quick fit? Legimate question, no trolling.
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Flora Flynn
Woopatang Primary.
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Posted - 2009.12.19 02:34:00 -
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I took a Harbi in as I wanted the cargo space. I spent a few weeks bouncing around WH's. You come across enough Empire entries and exits that the space was never a problem. I would probably take a Drake or the same Harbi if I go back into them.
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BrutusIW
The Order of Odin
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Posted - 2009.12.19 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tyranus vonCarstein
Originally by: TheMahdi [Drake, Solo C3]
Are sleepers really that much weaker to EM damage as opposed to anything else? Drake gets 5% bonus to kinetic per level, so easily +20%. Or was this simply a quick fit? Legimate question, no trolling.
sleepers have flat resists, so go with whatever damage type you get the best bonuses for, so yes id imagine that was just a quickie eft fit, would definitely be using kinetic with a drake.
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MiltGyver
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Posted - 2009.12.21 15:53:00 -
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I'm confused about how to determine the class of the WH. The C7 I thought I found was in high sec. I don't remember if I looked at the hole from the inside our the outside. A lot of them say K162 but I'm not clear on what that means.
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Nambu
Caldari Black Mesa
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Posted - 2009.12.21 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: This NameTaken
Originally by: MiltGyver Thanks a lot for the comments.
Has anyone tried to use a Scorpion with ECM?
Yep. The scorp SUCKS for a solo wh boat. It can't deliver enough damage to the small ships found in class 2 wh's. The drake is MUCH better for solo work. However, I've been toying with a RR armour tanked scorp to use with friends. One of the interesting things about ecm boats, is that the sleepers hate them. When jamming sleepers, they almost completely ignore my drones. It's possible that a scorp might be a huge help to a drone boat that wants to run sleeper sites.
Agreeded. It's an excellent group ship though, just be warned, it will suck up any and all aggro. Stack plates in the lows, and bring RR. DC, EANM IIs, and a 1600mm plate is what I normally fit. Consider Trimarks if you're running C4s.
You can use any racial jammer on sleepers with equal effectiveness, so bring a full stack of 6-7 meta 4s or T2s. You can completely permajam some ships at times, but the battleships will eventually burn thorough your jam at times. Make sure you've got RR cycled on the Scorpion already, because the burst damage can be huge at times.
Spot on about the DPS and aggro (mostly). Another scorp option that my corp used in C5 wh was instead of rr armor tanks, do rr shield. we'd fly 2-4 scorps with 4xCruise, 2xLST IIs, 4xJammers (anything not multispec), 4x hardeners, DC, 3xCPR IIs and CCCs in the rigs. Fill in with some RR drakes/RR ravens (fit proper, you can get a cap stable drake with 1 LST II, but its not quite your standard drake) for DPS and you have a ballgame. Pro-tip: have your fleet boss tag the NPCs so your scorp pilots can coordinate. And be wary, jammed Sleepers will fly away from the blob, so you can end up with a sleeper BS way out of range if you leave your jammers in one place all the time. --- im not paranoid, they really are trying to have my stuff. |
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