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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:45:00 -
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I believe there was one statistic saying that deklein didn't have enough manufacturing capacity to make enough T2 ammo for a single engagement for our maelstrom fleet, let alone manufacturing anything else at the same time. |
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:46:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote: I don't think you understand carebears anymore than carebears understand you. All Level 5s moved to low sec. Some people ran them others just continued to do Level 4s in High Sec.
If you move Level 4s to Low Sec some people will take a chance on them but many will just do Level 3s in High Sec instead and 2 years from now you will want Level 3s moved to Low Sec.
Yeah move L5's back high sec!!! L4's are way too easy these days and that's hardly the way how to attract new players or keep the old s happy. Dear CCP devs, are you reading this? |
Ohanka
Aggressive Narcissists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
115
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:46:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:isn't there that 'statistic' that states that there isn't enough manufacturing capability in all of nullsec to manufacture the ammo that nullsec, in general, uses?
Nullsec markets are propped up by traders, not manufacturing.
Even Amarr Factory Outposts don't have that many manufacturing slots. Really they need to boost the number of outposts in a system to 4 or somthing. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1068
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:04:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:I personally would love to see a JF nerf. In fact, jump logistics needs to get out of my EVE.
Jump drives have done more to ruin lo/nullsec industrialists than anything else.
yeah, freighter convoys are the height of excitement eh |
Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:06:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Here's the issue with using the carrot to push hi sec carebears into lo and null. No, the problem here is the idea that you will be pushing anyone anywhere.
masternerdguy wrote:There are already people like me who are deeply entrenched in the existing lo and null gameplay. If you plant more carrots in our garden, we are in a perfect place to eat them before you even get there.
That means we will use your buff to get even deeper entrenched and you'll have an even stronger obstacle to entering lo and null.
By the way, if you want to get into null try living in outer ring. Its all NPC space with lots of space stations you can dock at. Then, by the same token this already exits and the problem is not solved by your stick method. |
Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:07:00 -
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Frederick Sanger wrote:Null sec is pretty rad. You poors should give it a try. You poors should provide some real reasons as to why someone should move to null, other than by your say so. |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:07:00 -
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Well, I've read pretty much every post in this thread and think there's a lot of point-missing.
If you took all the alts out of hisec, you'd be left mostly with casual gamers. They're not motivated primarily by ISK/hr, although that's a part of it. Casual gamers generally don't want a hyper-competitive environment, they want a social activity, sometimes to the extent that their profession is a background while they chat with corpmates. Dicking around with the efficiency of refineries or the location of L4s is not going to change much because it' completely misunderstands people's motivations.
Again, what stops a large number of people from getting into null is that they perceive it as being full of assholes. Now, I'm sure I'm going to get a load of the usual "this isn't hellokittyonline"-type replies, but if you want more people in null, the solution really isn't rocket science. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1068
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:09:00 -
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Oisin Sandovar wrote:You poors should provide some real reasons as to why someone should move to null, other than by your say so.
because you've spent two years in the starting area, for instance eh |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
749
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:10:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:Well, I've read pretty much every post in this thread and think there's a lot of point-missing.
If you took all the alts out of hisec, you'd be left mostly with casual gamers. They're not motivated primarily by ISK/hr, although that's a part of it. Casual gamers generally don't want a hyper-competitive environment, they want a social activity, sometimes to the extent that their profession is a background while they chat with corpmates. Dicking around with the efficiency of refineries or the location of L4s is not going to change much because it' completely misunderstands people's motivations.
Again, what stops a large number of people from getting into null is that they perceive it as being full of assholes. Now, I'm sure I'm going to get a load of the usual "this isn't hellokittyonline"-type replies, but if you want more people in null, the solution really isn't rocket science.
Because nullsec has no social interaction. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:16:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:nuke hisec incursions, make it exclusive to lowsec
done, more people leave hisec, even if it's just daytrips to lowsec Which still leaves null sec with nothing, and still does not drive people anywhere. Stop nerfing things and look at ways to boost null sec to make it an attractive place to go. |
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Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:18:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:[quote=Tyberius Franklin] Except now more people go to lo sec.
Which solves the problem of lo sec being depopulated. The point of the thread is making null sec more vibrant, not lo sec. |
Bjron
A-OK Logistics and Fabrication StoneGuard Alliance
26
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:18:00 -
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Just some things I want to touch base on here. (inb4 care bear, looser, highsec baby).
I have been to low, lived there a week or two at a time, been to NPC and "open" 0.0 too. Tried RvB and FW at one point or another in my life. Its not like I haven't tried my hand at PvP, its just that Eve's PvP is not my bag of tea. I prefer mission running or mining depending on how much time I have to play that day (normally less than 2-3 hours M-F). Its something I can jump into right after I get off work, feel like I got something done and I don't have to worry about getting told what to do, or where to do it.
I am not asking for what I do to be better, or safer. I am not asking that low/null get nurfed.
Part of it, I don't think POS are not too efficient for anything other than research and a place to dock and refit or change ships. Maybe if POS refinery and production was as good as NPC or better low/null might see a larger gain.
The thing is, I don't know what would fix it, because I haven't spent enough time there to know. All I can do is guess from my limited information on the area.
The one thing I can say for sure, forcing people to leave highsec would be far worse for the game than just leaving them alone. I feel that many people would just outright quit. I may or may not try to learn my way around low better.
I think making POS as good, or better than NPC stations when it comes to refining and producing would go a long way. I don't think removing level 4's from highsec would change anything, Level 5's sure didn't. Incursions are already something that is (mostly) ignored now.
I don't think it would be right to have 0.0 space enforced by NPC.s either. I don't feel that adding more systems to high, low or null would help. As it is now many areas are empty save NPC's. Amarr space seems to be vastly less populated compared to other places as it is. Changing insurance to a 100% coverage is (to me) against what Eve is. That would mean no loss, when losses have no meaning then you have both sides just turning into a meat grinder.
Nurfing highsec mining is a joke, it already pays pennies compared to a well prepared mission runner, plexes or WH space.
If it was up to me, the first things I would focus on. 1) fix or redo POS, to make them equal to or better than NPS stations, but make them only useable in .5 or lower. .5 is a small only .4 medium and large.
2) Try to get more people playing Eve, we need something here to entice more players. Maybe something like Iracing does. They offer 3 months free for any new account and sometimes they drop a years sub to as low as $50-60 and offer rewards for continuous membership. Maybe offer 2-3 months free for any new account for the price of 1 month. ($20 gets you 3 months), make some new vidoes for ads on webpages and more TV/magazine ads if money allowed. offer a "unlimited" trial but have the same restrictions as a trial account and a SP cap.
Thats all I got. It might be stupid, or compel
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Lord Zim
849
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:20:00 -
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Oisin Sandovar wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:nuke hisec incursions, make it exclusive to lowsec
done, more people leave hisec, even if it's just daytrips to lowsec Which still leaves null sec with nothing, and still does not drive people anywhere. Stop nerfing things and look at ways to boost null sec to make it an attractive place to go. Capital mining ships which are 10x as effective as hulks at sucking down roids Stations with 100% refineries and 100-200 manufacturing, research, copying and invention slots each Multiple stations possible per system. |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
216
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:21:00 -
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Want to make Null vibrant? Make a tutorial on corp/alliance politics that you have to take when you start. Because obviously that is what it takes to get into null. One does not simply "Go to nullsec".
The highest barrier to new nullsec corps and alliances is politics. So train them for that and more people will go. |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:23:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Well, I've read pretty much every post in this thread and think there's a lot of point-missing.
If you took all the alts out of hisec, you'd be left mostly with casual gamers. They're not motivated primarily by ISK/hr, although that's a part of it. Casual gamers generally don't want a hyper-competitive environment, they want a social activity, sometimes to the extent that their profession is a background while they chat with corpmates. Dicking around with the efficiency of refineries or the location of L4s is not going to change much because it' completely misunderstands people's motivations.
Again, what stops a large number of people from getting into null is that they perceive it as being full of assholes. Now, I'm sure I'm going to get a load of the usual "this isn't hellokittyonline"-type replies, but if you want more people in null, the solution really isn't rocket science. Because nullsec has no social interaction.
I didn't say that. Have another read.
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
78
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:24:00 -
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Remove local Remove local Remove local
anyone who doesn't support this is bad at eve |
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
41
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:25:00 -
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Frederick Sanger wrote:Null sec is pretty rad. You poors should give it a try.
It's funny, currently highsec ores are passing Crokite on the isk/m3 scale. I think before long, null miners will be moving to highsec where the real money is. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1068
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:26:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:Want to make Null vibrant? Make a tutorial on corp/alliance politics that you have to take when you start. Because obviously that is what it takes to get into null. One does not simply "Go to nullsec".
The highest barrier to new nullsec corps and alliances is politics. So train them for that and more people will go.
the only members of a nullsec alliance who are involved in 0.0 politics are diplomats, FCs and leadership eh |
Lord Zim
849
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:27:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Well, I've read pretty much every post in this thread and think there's a lot of point-missing.
If you took all the alts out of hisec, you'd be left mostly with casual gamers. They're not motivated primarily by ISK/hr, although that's a part of it. Casual gamers generally don't want a hyper-competitive environment, they want a social activity, sometimes to the extent that their profession is a background while they chat with corpmates. Dicking around with the efficiency of refineries or the location of L4s is not going to change much because it' completely misunderstands people's motivations.
Again, what stops a large number of people from getting into null is that they perceive it as being full of assholes. Now, I'm sure I'm going to get a load of the usual "this isn't hellokittyonline"-type replies, but if you want more people in null, the solution really isn't rocket science. Because nullsec has no social interaction. I didn't say that. Have another read. You're making partially faulty assumptions, however. Some people would love to go to null, if the rewards were worth the added work, they decide it isn't. Others are delicate flowers who get a heartattack if you mention the 7 words you can't say on TV: ****, ****, ****, ****, **********, ************, and ****.
Surprisingly, I don't really care about the delicate flowers. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
749
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:27:00 -
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Andoria Thara wrote:Frederick Sanger wrote:Null sec is pretty rad. You poors should give it a try. It's funny, currently highsec ores are passing Crokite on the isk/m3 scale. I think before long, null miners will be moving to highsec where the real money is.
Mining for isk.
Lol. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
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Lord Zim
849
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:29:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Metal Icarus wrote:Want to make Null vibrant? Make a tutorial on corp/alliance politics that you have to take when you start. Because obviously that is what it takes to get into null. One does not simply "Go to nullsec".
The highest barrier to new nullsec corps and alliances is politics. So train them for that and more people will go. the only members of a nullsec alliance who are involved in 0.0 politics are diplomats, FCs and leadership And mandozers, but I don't think creating diplomatic incidents are really something any tutorial can prepare you for. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3537
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:31:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Metal Icarus wrote:Want to make Null vibrant? Make a tutorial on corp/alliance politics that you have to take when you start. Because obviously that is what it takes to get into null. One does not simply "Go to nullsec".
The highest barrier to new nullsec corps and alliances is politics. So train them for that and more people will go. the only members of a nullsec alliance who are involved in 0.0 politics are diplomats, FCs and leadership that's not really true in other alliances that openly recruit: you have to have some social skills to get in and such
politics might not be the right word but it's not crazy wrong, its just sort of imprecise |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1068
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:32:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Metal Icarus wrote:Want to make Null vibrant? Make a tutorial on corp/alliance politics that you have to take when you start. Because obviously that is what it takes to get into null. One does not simply "Go to nullsec".
The highest barrier to new nullsec corps and alliances is politics. So train them for that and more people will go. the only members of a nullsec alliance who are involved in 0.0 politics are diplomats, FCs and leadership And mandozers, but I don't think creating diplomatic incidents are really something any tutorial can prepare you for.
mandozer was an FC :eng101: eh |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:32:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Well, I've read pretty much every post in this thread and think there's a lot of point-missing.
If you took all the alts out of hisec, you'd be left mostly with casual gamers. They're not motivated primarily by ISK/hr, although that's a part of it. Casual gamers generally don't want a hyper-competitive environment, they want a social activity, sometimes to the extent that their profession is a background while they chat with corpmates. Dicking around with the efficiency of refineries or the location of L4s is not going to change much because it' completely misunderstands people's motivations.
Again, what stops a large number of people from getting into null is that they perceive it as being full of assholes. Now, I'm sure I'm going to get a load of the usual "this isn't hellokittyonline"-type replies, but if you want more people in null, the solution really isn't rocket science. Because nullsec has no social interaction. I didn't say that. Have another read. You're making partially faulty assumptions, however. Some people would love to go to null, if the rewards were worth the added work, they decide it isn't. Others are delicate flowers who get a heartattack if you mention the 7 words you can't say on TV: ****, ****, ****, ****, **********, ************, and ****. Surprisingly, I don't really care about the delicate flowers.
Reward isn't just about ISK/hr. If that were the only reward, you could make a game where people just logged in, did nothing, and got paid in ISK. That'd be ****** up, right?
Anyway, off to work now, am sure I'll argue more later ;P
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1068
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:33:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:that's not really true in other alliances that openly recruit: you have to have some social skills to get in and such
given the stuff I've seen, clearly the social skills needed to get in have paid off in terms of their stellar diplomatic skill eh |
Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:38:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Oisin Sandovar wrote:You poors should provide some real reasons as to why someone should move to null, other than by your say so. because you've spent two years in the starting area, for instance And you fail comprehension. You've provided no reason. |
Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:40:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Well, I guess that pretty much covers it all with how awesome POS refineries are. :P How about advanced refinery skills to improve POS refineries? |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1068
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:41:00 -
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Oisin Sandovar wrote:And you fail comprehension. You've provided no reason.
0.0 is the actual game
highsec is basically like staying in riverwood and chopping wood for Hod eh |
Lord Zim
849
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:43:00 -
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Oisin Sandovar wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Well, I guess that pretty much covers it all with how awesome POS refineries are. :P How about advanced refinery skills to improve POS refineries? Unless they provide more than 100% return, and do it quicker than instantly, they can't compete with station refineries. Station refineries don't cost isk to run, POSes do. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
749
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:45:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Oisin Sandovar wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Well, I guess that pretty much covers it all with how awesome POS refineries are. :P How about advanced refinery skills to improve POS refineries? Unless they provide more than 100% return, and do it quicker than instantly, they can't compete with station refineries. Station refineries don't cost isk to run, POSes do.
See, at the end of the day it all comes down to ISK/hr with you lot. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
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