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Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
150
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:30:00 -
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Better Than You wrote:so you want to be able to decide what i can and can not fly with the press of a button and a few isk?! how is that even remotely balanced in your brain?
if i want to solo a lvl 4 mission then by god i should be allowed to solo that lvl 4 mission. you may not like people using the autopilot feature, but by telling people they cant fly haulers removes this feature practically. good job on taking sand out of the sandbox! You could still do all of that.
I am glad this thread made it back to the top again. Last few days have been terrible on GD with all the random topics and stuff, threads like these vanishing. Are there people still interested in a constructive discussion in here? Seems like it just kind of ran out of steam and people are done with it.
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*cricket*
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Hello?...
*echo*... *echo* |
Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
196
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:03:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Better Than You wrote:so you want to be able to decide what i can and can not fly with the press of a button and a few isk?! how is that even remotely balanced in your brain?
if i want to solo a lvl 4 mission then by god i should be allowed to solo that lvl 4 mission. you may not like people using the autopilot feature, but by telling people they cant fly haulers removes this feature practically. good job on taking sand out of the sandbox! You could still do all of that. I am glad this thread made it back to the top again. Last few days have been terrible on GD with all the random topics and stuff, threads like these vanishing. Are there people still interested in a constructive discussion in here? Seems like it just kind of ran out of steam and people are done with it. ... *cricket* ... Hello?... *echo*... *echo*
I'm still paying attention to it but typically don't reply too often to newer posts that have already been addressed but are posted again because the thread in it's entirety was not read. Also I am at work and have little time to respond to a lot of it. Agreed that the deluge of spammy posts from those upset about moderation kind of buried this one and others.
-á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:05:00 -
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So much stuff has been posted it tends to start going around in circles ...
Tal
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Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
197
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:07:00 -
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Rats wrote:So much stuff has been posted it tends to start going around in circles ...
Tal
There does seem to be some truth to this. While I tend to dislike multiple threads on the same issue, I would not mind creating a digest of the main points in this one sans the grade school rubbish posts.
-á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
Adelphie
Paradox Collective Choke Point
78
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:36:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Rats wrote:So much stuff has been posted it tends to start going around in circles ...
Tal
There does seem to be some truth to this. While I tend to dislike multiple threads on the same issue, I would not mind creating a digest of the main points in this one sans the grade school rubbish posts.
I haven't had time to digest all the different stands, but if someone would like to post or mail me the most interesting posts then ill add a digest when I'm not on the train. |
Adelphie
Paradox Collective Choke Point
78
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:39:00 -
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Op has been updated with a summary of the posts so far.
Thanks to Kimmi Chan for the help with this |
Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
126
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:45:00 -
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Honestly starting a new thread with a strong first page of information is not necessarily a bad idea. On other EVE forums we do this all the time to prevent the exact issues you guys are noticing (posts going in circles, people not threading the thread to be informed, etc.) |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.06.29 22:17:00 -
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Woah people, completely ruining Highsec won't make Nullsec more fun for you. The only thing it'll accomplish is driving new players away from EVE.
If Nullsec is boring for you, look no further then at your nullsec corporation and alliance leaders and their priorities. |
Adelphie
Paradox Collective Choke Point
78
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Posted - 2012.06.29 22:20:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Woah people, completely ruining Highsec won't make Nullsec more fun for you. The only thing it'll accomplish is driving new players away from EVE.
If Nullsec is boring for you, look no further then at your nullsec corporation and alliance leaders and their priorities.
I know it's a long thread, but did you read it?
I think the majority of players don't want to ruin highsec, they just want to differentiate it. |
Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
217
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Posted - 2012.06.29 22:23:00 -
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Rer Eirikr wrote:Honestly starting a new thread with a strong first page of information is not necessarily a bad idea. On other EVE forums we do this all the time to prevent the exact issues you guys are noticing (posts going in circles, people not reading the thread to be informed, etc.) Edit: Lol, people not "threading the thread", work day is loooong.
I will send a petition to make sure this is an acceptable option from a forum moderation view.
-á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
144
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Posted - 2012.06.29 22:28:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:
I think it folly to require a single individual to defend against 9000 (in the case of the largest alliance). It sets a dangerous precedent.
I am at war with test and goons, i pod several a day. wheres the problem? qfmjt-1 |
Cyprus Black
Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing
234
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Posted - 2012.06.29 22:48:00 -
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Delete.
These crappy forums goofed again. You wouldn't complain about needles when you get a tattoo. So why would you complain about PvP when you play EVE? |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
151
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Posted - 2012.06.30 00:12:00 -
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Would be nice to have some solid live debates on some of these issues. We need a strong moderator and a real structure to it. I feel like some o this is lost in translation on the forums, if that makes any sense. I know we have the CSM, but no offense, there are a lot more players with strong discussions on topics I would like to hear more from. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.06.30 00:17:00 -
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Adelphie wrote:Sentamon wrote:Woah people, completely ruining Highsec won't make Nullsec more fun for you. The only thing it'll accomplish is driving new players away from EVE.
If Nullsec is boring for you, look no further then at your nullsec corporation and alliance leaders and their priorities. I know it's a long thread, but did you read it? I think the majority of players don't want to ruin highsec, they just want to differentiate it.
Oh yes I read it just fine ... differentiate? , you should run for government office.
Don't ruin Highsec boring Nullbears. |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2012.06.30 00:21:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Adelphie wrote:Sentamon wrote:Woah people, completely ruining Highsec won't make Nullsec more fun for you. The only thing it'll accomplish is driving new players away from EVE.
If Nullsec is boring for you, look no further then at your nullsec corporation and alliance leaders and their priorities. I know it's a long thread, but did you read it? I think the majority of players don't want to ruin highsec, they just want to differentiate it. Oh yes I read it just fine ... differentiate? , you should run for government office. Don't ruin Highsec boring Nullbears.
Differentiate = turn it into an useless ghetto. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
512
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Posted - 2012.06.30 00:33:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Oh yes I read it just fine ... differentiate? , you should run for government office. Don't ruin Highsec boring Nullbears. You should run for office.
You've got misinterpreting and derailing down pat.
How about this. How about answering why someone who does not live in null, and hasn't lived in hi-sec for over 3 years, think Hi-Sec needs a bit of a nerf and Null needs (at MINIMUM) an Industry buff to make Null Sec better for manufacturing than Hi-Sec.
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1392
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Posted - 2012.06.30 00:37:00 -
[1187] - Quote
Marconus Orion wrote:Better Than You wrote:so you want to be able to decide what i can and can not fly with the press of a button and a few isk?! how is that even remotely balanced in your brain?
if i want to solo a lvl 4 mission then by god i should be allowed to solo that lvl 4 mission. you may not like people using the autopilot feature, but by telling people they cant fly haulers removes this feature practically. good job on taking sand out of the sandbox! You could still do all of that. I am glad this thread made it back to the top again. Last few days have been terrible on GD with all the random topics and stuff, threads like these vanishing. Are there people still interested in a constructive discussion in here? Seems like it just kind of ran out of steam and people are done with it. i think when the mother of all wars broke out in Delve it kind of killed the thread's premise that 0.0 was dying |
Russell Casey
Goldbug Inc.
168
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Posted - 2012.06.30 00:44:00 -
[1188] - Quote
Other day I met a "new" player in recruitment channel-----who was actually the alt of a null player wanting to make 300mil an hour in highsec mining because there was a "war" in his home.
Make of that what you will. |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
151
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Posted - 2012.06.30 00:50:00 -
[1189] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Better Than You wrote:so you want to be able to decide what i can and can not fly with the press of a button and a few isk?! how is that even remotely balanced in your brain?
if i want to solo a lvl 4 mission then by god i should be allowed to solo that lvl 4 mission. you may not like people using the autopilot feature, but by telling people they cant fly haulers removes this feature practically. good job on taking sand out of the sandbox! You could still do all of that. I am glad this thread made it back to the top again. Last few days have been terrible on GD with all the random topics and stuff, threads like these vanishing. Are there people still interested in a constructive discussion in here? Seems like it just kind of ran out of steam and people are done with it. i think when the mother of all wars broke out in Delve it kind of killed the thread's premise that 0.0 was dying I say it makes the argument stronger. So currently Delve is exciting, but the other regions INCLUDING Delve have the same problems that have been discussed. I see null as this staving homeless man on the street. Yes tossing him that half eaten sandwich you didn't want (current Delve war) may seem exciting for the moment, but all those problems will only take a back seat for a few moments.
Is Delve on wheat or rye bread? |
Lord Zim
973
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Posted - 2012.06.30 00:52:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Better Than You wrote:so you want to be able to decide what i can and can not fly with the press of a button and a few isk?! how is that even remotely balanced in your brain?
if i want to solo a lvl 4 mission then by god i should be allowed to solo that lvl 4 mission. you may not like people using the autopilot feature, but by telling people they cant fly haulers removes this feature practically. good job on taking sand out of the sandbox! You could still do all of that. I am glad this thread made it back to the top again. Last few days have been terrible on GD with all the random topics and stuff, threads like these vanishing. Are there people still interested in a constructive discussion in here? Seems like it just kind of ran out of steam and people are done with it. i think when the mother of all wars broke out in Delve it kind of killed the thread's premise that 0.0 was dying It'll take a few weeks to a few months, and then it'll be just as much whining again. Don't make the mistake of thinking that the east going against west, now, means there aren't a fucktonne of improvements which basically needs to happen in nullsec, chiefly amongst which is industry and the sov system. |
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Adelphie
Paradox Collective Choke Point
78
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Posted - 2012.06.30 01:50:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Better Than You wrote:so you want to be able to decide what i can and can not fly with the press of a button and a few isk?! how is that even remotely balanced in your brain?
if i want to solo a lvl 4 mission then by god i should be allowed to solo that lvl 4 mission. you may not like people using the autopilot feature, but by telling people they cant fly haulers removes this feature practically. good job on taking sand out of the sandbox! You could still do all of that. I am glad this thread made it back to the top again. Last few days have been terrible on GD with all the random topics and stuff, threads like these vanishing. Are there people still interested in a constructive discussion in here? Seems like it just kind of ran out of steam and people are done with it. i think when the mother of all wars broke out in Delve it kind of killed the thread's premise that 0.0 was dying
That's like saying the fact you get laid means you no longer have bad breath.
In the morning she will be gone, and your breath will still smell like ****. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1136
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Posted - 2012.06.30 03:38:00 -
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Russell Casey wrote:Other day I met a "new" player in recruitment channel-----who was actually the alt of a null player created because he "needed money", there was a "war" in his home and his friend could make 300mil an hour mining in high. Make of that what you will.
I guess AAA or whatever are having problems.
Luv2reimburse. Have you heard the SOTG and the strategy laid out? Attrition ~ That's right ! We make them mine and grind L4s to pay for being blown up by us until they just crack.
To cover reimursement for 2 Drakes or 1 Scorpion would take me about an hour I think. But with taxes, it won't totally go away even without tech.
Newbies don't worry, rifters will still be as free as asking for it in the right channel ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Togg Bott
One Clone Gang
0
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Posted - 2012.06.30 16:26:00 -
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Holy Crap... i just read 60 pages, just so i could be informed of the opinions already posted.
Hi all, as you can see i'm Togg. I'm High sec right now...again as i dont have the time to invest in low sec/null sec fun. that will change. i'm sure that by the time a few of you have read this line i have probably been investigated by 1/2 a dozen people already. i'll make it easy, yes this is my main, untill just recently i have had only this account and this toon. i have been in hi-sec, i've lived in low sec, and i have lived in Null sec as well.
there have been several great points made here, i'll try not to miss them.
Null sec Sov... it needs to be burned to the ground. what worked in 2005 does not work today, period. burn it and start over.
Null sec needs better refining and industrial abilities, this is something that is in my opinion UNQUESTIONABLE. does it need to rival hi-sec perfectly or go beyond hi-sec. i dont think it should, but getting a 85% or 90% should be a reasonable request.
NPC corp.. there needs to be a freaking time limit on how long you can stay.
a tax in high sec citizens for subsidizing improvements to null sec, hell yes. but it needs to be fair.
i know i am missing several good points... but hey, forgive me just sat and read 60 pages of GD.
these points, and the ones i failed to mention have for the most part been overshadowed and probably lost on most people because of the 50 odd other pages devoted to nothing but levels of vilness and outright hatred of other EvE citizens by other groups of EvE citizens.
JB's are fine and working as intended leave them alone. leave lvl 4's alone, CCP isnt gonna nerf them into lowsec because a POSSIBLE loss of subscriptions would mean less real life money for them. moongoo we have ,it we need it, quite trying to freaking make it more expensive than it already it is.
a few people on either side of this discussion have done more harm to their cause than almost the total combined good thats been placed out here by both sides.
the dependancy of Null sec on hi sec and vice versa, isnt a design flaw. its a purposly designed element. CCP didnt make 3 games on one mainframe.. null sec is dependant on hi-sec for certain things it cant get. same is true about hi-sec needing the minerals that can only be found in low sec.
this is eve its ,harsh, no sector is totally independant. one dies and chaos insues and then eve really will die. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3796
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Posted - 2012.06.30 17:07:00 -
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dear ccp please add a "ignore all posts by npc alts" forum option |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3796
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Posted - 2012.06.30 17:08:00 -
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then make it the default setting |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
179
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Posted - 2012.06.30 19:15:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:dear ccp please add a "ignore all posts by goons" forum option then make it the default setting
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Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2012.06.30 19:17:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:dear ccp please add a "ignore all posts by npc alts" forum option
And an ignore all posts by Goon alts forum option.
But then, the forum would be nearly empty and only show CCP posts and a sparse true NPC corp poster / AAA pet here and there... |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1394
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Posted - 2012.06.30 19:45:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:dear ccp please add a "ignore all posts by npc alts" forum option
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Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
226
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Posted - 2012.07.02 23:59:00 -
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V 2.0 in Features and Ideas
I got the okay to recreate this thread from CCP Spitfire. He requested that it be recreated in Features and Ideas. Please continue the discussion there and subscribe to stay abreast of ideas that are being proposed.
Thanks to all that have participated here. While we may not always agree, it is nice to know that we can still have a solid and hopefully meaningful discussion on these matters.
A special thanks to Adelphie for getting us started. -á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2012.07.03 01:07:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:dear ccp please add a "ignore all posts by npc alts" forum option What of NPC mains? |
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