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Trollin
Drunken Traders
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Posted - 2012.06.20 06:38:00 -
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im just throwing this out there It would take a significant amount of time and skill to find a cloaked target with using only d-scan it would also give cloakers the ability to move off if they are at controls as they would see in their d-scan others moving around them
feel free to tell my why this random thought that passed thru my brain as i was roaming null in a covops is stupid as sin, or even just to say "no" or HTFU or whatever pass thru your mind.
remember, if you dont reply it will fall off the 1st page faster. You are your own worst enemy. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
193
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:12:00 -
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Trollin wrote:im just throwing this out there It would take a significant amount of time and skill to find a cloaked target with using only d-scan it would also give cloakers the ability to move off if they are at controls as they would see in their d-scan and ongrid others moving around them
feel free to tell my why this random thought that passed thru my brain as i was roaming null in a covops is stupid as sin, or even just to say "no" or HTFU or whatever pass thru your mind.
remember, if you dont reply it will fall off the 1st page faster.
You just broke Wormhole space.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
758
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:37:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Trollin wrote:im just throwing this out there It would take a significant amount of time and skill to find a cloaked target with using only d-scan it would also give cloakers the ability to move off if they are at controls as they would see in their d-scan and ongrid others moving around them
feel free to tell my why this random thought that passed thru my brain as i was roaming null in a covops is stupid as sin, or even just to say "no" or HTFU or whatever pass thru your mind.
remember, if you dont reply it will fall off the 1st page faster. You just broke Wormhole space. As well as bomber runs, cloaked stalking, and pretty much the entire concept of covert-ops and "sneak attacks." Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Trollin
Drunken Traders
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:56:00 -
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good feedback thx We are our own worst enemy. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
153
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:03:00 -
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I'd like to see it be possible to find cloakers, but it should take at minimum a specialized cloak detection module, and perhaps the module shouldn't be very good, leading to a ship specialized in that module. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:58:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I'd like to see it be possible to find cloakers, but it should take at minimum a specialized cloak detection module, and perhaps the module shouldn't be very good, leading to a ship specialized in that module. Why?
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:53:00 -
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Because he want cloak being redundant maybe... |
Reicine Ceer
Rodents of Unusual Size The Rat Race
25
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:05:00 -
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Seems to me that if CCP wanted people to find cloaky ships, just make it so that a) you have to use that Sansha Codebreaker-using ship - the Echelon - and b) ZERO account activity for n (n = >x mins)..mebbe 120?, and just state that its solar dust settling on the partially magnetic field transdeucers that allow you to track down targets that have been either stationary or travelling in the one direction for such a long time.
Ok so maybe 2 hours afk isn't that long in the EVE universe but that could easily be altered to a number that seems fair for everyone and would allow people to go cloaky afk but not be 100000% completely safe as they are now.
PROBLEM SOLVED. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1784
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:14:00 -
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Knowing that a cloaked ship is in system defeats the purpose of cloaking and completely breaks w-space's current mechanics.
Modules, probes, or anything else that allow you to break someone else's cloak completely defeats the purpose of cloaking.
All because some people can't deal with seeing a name in local and not being able to find them. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:25:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Trollin wrote:im just throwing this out there It would take a significant amount of time and skill to find a cloaked target with using only d-scan it would also give cloakers the ability to move off if they are at controls as they would see in their d-scan and ongrid others moving around them
feel free to tell my why this random thought that passed thru my brain as i was roaming null in a covops is stupid as sin, or even just to say "no" or HTFU or whatever pass thru your mind.
remember, if you dont reply it will fall off the 1st page faster. You just broke Wormhole space. lol short and sweet
+1
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:31:00 -
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Durzel wrote: lol short and sweet
+1
So my girlfriend tells me...
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
335
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:51:00 -
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This puts too much power into non cloaked hands.
Cloaking is already exposed by local. As local is an absolute factor, so is cloaking's concealment.
Exchange local for a less absolute manner of exposing cloaking. Something that requires player effort, and has no guarantee of success. CCP will balance cloaking to match that, then.
Remember, it takes an absolute to balance another absolute, and balance is needed for gameplay. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1788
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:17:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:This puts too much power into non cloaked hands.
Cloaking is already exposed by local. As local is an absolute factor, so is cloaking's concealment.
Exchange local for a less absolute manner of exposing cloaking. Something that requires player effort, and has no guarantee of success. CCP will balance cloaking to match that, then.
Remember, it takes an absolute to balance another absolute, and balance is needed for gameplay.
That would still wreck w-space mechanics. They've been living with permacloaks and no local for years. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
335
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:23:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Nikk Narrel wrote:This puts too much power into non cloaked hands.
Cloaking is already exposed by local. As local is an absolute factor, so is cloaking's concealment.
Exchange local for a less absolute manner of exposing cloaking. Something that requires player effort, and has no guarantee of success. CCP will balance cloaking to match that, then.
Remember, it takes an absolute to balance another absolute, and balance is needed for gameplay. That would still wreck w-space mechanics. They've been living with permacloaks and no local for years. Wormholes have always had a unique ruleset, I would not expect that to change unless CCP chose so.
Instead of being different with local not exposing cloaked vessels, they can be different in cloaked vessels retaining absolute concealment.
Put simply, if CCP wants WH life to remain as is, they can do it. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
239
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Posted - 2012.06.20 20:18:00 -
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This is a bad idea.. as if the free intel from local isn't already unfair enough we need to add yet more free intel!? sorry I vote no.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
7457
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Posted - 2012.06.20 20:49:00 -
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Reicine Ceer wrote:Seems to me that if CCP wanted people to find cloaky ships, just make it so that a) you have to use that Sansha Codebreaker-using ship - the Echelon - and b) ZERO account activity for n (n = >x mins)..mebbe 120?, and just state that its solar dust settling on the partially magnetic field transdeucers that allow you to track down targets that have been either stationary or travelling in the one direction for such a long time.
Ok so maybe 2 hours afk isn't that long in the EVE universe but that could easily be altered to a number that seems fair for everyone and would allow people to go cloaky afk but not be 100000% completely safe as they are now.
PROBLEM SOLVED. What problem?
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1086
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:25:00 -
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cloaks are perfectly balanced by local in nullsec and the need to use probes in wormhole space
anti-cloaking stuff is dumb eh |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
832
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Posted - 2012.06.21 02:10:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Reicine Ceer wrote:Seems to me that if CCP wanted people to find cloaky ships, just make it so that a) you have to use that Sansha Codebreaker-using ship - the Echelon - and b) ZERO account activity for n (n = >x mins)..mebbe 120?, and just state that its solar dust settling on the partially magnetic field transdeucers that allow you to track down targets that have been either stationary or travelling in the one direction for such a long time.
Ok so maybe 2 hours afk isn't that long in the EVE universe but that could easily be altered to a number that seems fair for everyone and would allow people to go cloaky afk but not be 100000% completely safe as they are now.
PROBLEM SOLVED. What problem? Duh, the problem of the Echelon not being useful. |
Jackal Datapaw
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.06.21 04:55:00 -
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Ding
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