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MeganBlood
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:17:00 -
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Hi,
What do you guys think about having cloaking modules degrade and then fail (turn off) over time to counteract cloaky AFK?
Let say that a cloaking device has 100% chance of working but every cycle the chance lowers by let say 0.1%.
let say a cycle take 30 sec. so in 1 hour it should have degraded by 12%
so on every cycle start it test if the module works correctly, if not it is put offline.
To reset the degrading, you would need to offline and then to put it back online or could dock-up or CCP could put a extended re-cloaking timer on it. All this is so that you ship's cloaking computer can "reboot".
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Salena Ashera
My Little Rifter
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:43:00 -
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I think it's ok so long as it doesn't affect the covert ops cloak or the faction cloaks. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:54:00 -
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Why? |
Easthir Ravin
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:12:00 -
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Greetings
Hey guys lets say we have a module work as advertised, its the freaking future! Lets not let people roam space all willy-nilly without having to be situationally aware.
If someone is AFK cloaky its because they are waiting for something. If you continue to give them what they want (juicy ratting boats) then they will stay. You can stop all activity in the system in the hopes they will get board and leave or you could bait them and destroy them and whatever fleet they most likely hot drop you with. Now the later takes a little planning and friends but it can be done. Make them have to work for that AFK spot.
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:16:00 -
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Easthir Ravin wrote:Become a member of L.M.T.W.A.A.F.T.O.S.T.I.B. (Leave mechanics that work alone and fix the other sh*t that is broke) League Today!
Where do I sign up, and who do I send my ISK to? |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:48:00 -
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Easthir Ravin wrote:Greetings
Hey guys lets say we have a module work as advertised, its the freaking future! Lets not let people roam space all willy-nilly without having to be situationally aware.
If someone is AFK cloaky its because they are waiting for something. If you continue to give them what they want (juicy ratting boats) then they will stay. You can stop all activity in the system in the hopes they will get board and leave or you could bait them and destroy them and whatever fleet they most likely hot drop you with. Now the later takes a little planning and friends but it can be done. Make them have to work for that AFK spot.
Become a member of L.M.T.W.A.A.F.T.O.S.T.I.B. (Leave mechanics that work alone and fix the other sh*t that is broke) League Today!
vr East
CCP stated at a fanfest presentation that they consider long term cloaking, AFK or not, to be a broken mechanic. So, it falls out of your league and is, in fact, something that needs fixing. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:54:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP stated at a fanfest presentation that they consider long term cloaking, AFK or not, to be a broken mechanic. So, it falls out of your league and is, in fact, something that needs fixing. They consider many items to not be what they intended, once they met unplanned usage by players.
They also know that local chat's unplanned relationship with cloaking means changes on one will require changes to the other to maintain balance aspects. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:51:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:CCP stated at a fanfest presentation that they consider long term cloaking, AFK or not, to be a broken mechanic. So, it falls out of your league and is, in fact, something that needs fixing. They consider many items to not be what they intended, once they met unplanned usage by players. They also know that local chat's unplanned relationship with cloaking means changes on one will require changes to the other to maintain balance aspects.
People using cloak in space is intended. Other people refusing to undock because of it is unintended. AFK cloak griefing - sounds like a personal problem. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:19:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Nikk Narrel wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:CCP stated at a fanfest presentation that they consider long term cloaking, AFK or not, to be a broken mechanic. So, it falls out of your league and is, in fact, something that needs fixing. They consider many items to not be what they intended, once they met unplanned usage by players. They also know that local chat's unplanned relationship with cloaking means changes on one will require changes to the other to maintain balance aspects. People using cloak in space is intended. Other people refusing to undock because of it is unintended. AFK cloak griefing - sounds like a personal problem.
AFK cloaking and the nearly-omniscient local chat being used as an intel tool are directly linked... Nerfing one without nerfing the other will further unbalance the nullsec's risk vs reward paradigm!!!!! |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.20 20:23:00 -
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I think it's a bad idea because it's not the AFK that you are really after... it's the people who are cloaked for a length of time you don't like. The trouble is there are times when this would become a serious problem in tight recon situations. It's a non starter for me.
I vote no.
As for the AFK, remove the cloaked from local so you never know people away from their keyboards are there. Then you'll never worry about the truly AFK again. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
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Easthir Ravin
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.06.25 04:27:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Easthir Ravin wrote:Greetings
Hey guys lets say we have a module work as advertised, its the freaking future! Lets not let people roam space all willy-nilly without having to be situationally aware.
If someone is AFK cloaky its because they are waiting for something. If you continue to give them what they want (juicy ratting boats) then they will stay. You can stop all activity in the system in the hopes they will get board and leave or you could bait them and destroy them and whatever fleet they most likely hot drop you with. Now the later takes a little planning and friends but it can be done. Make them have to work for that AFK spot.
Become a member of L.M.T.W.A.A.F.T.O.S.T.I.B. (Leave mechanics that work alone and fix the other sh*t that is broke) League Today!
vr East CCP stated at a fanfest presentation that they consider long term cloaking, AFK or not, to be a broken mechanic. So, it falls out of your league and is, in fact, something that needs fixing.
Well Crap!
Still disagree with changing the cloak, because a few people use it in an unintended manner while the rest of us use it as intended. IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES: -á" I drank WHAT?!" |
Easthir Ravin
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.06.25 04:28:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:I think it's a bad idea because it's not the AFK that you are really after... it's the people who are cloaked for a length of time you don't like. The trouble is there are times when this would become a serious problem in tight recon situations. It's a non starter for me.
I vote no.
As for the AFK, remove the cloaked from local so you never know people away from their keyboards are there. Then you'll never worry about the truly AFK again.
Simple, solves the perceived problem..implement immediately! FTW IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES: -á" I drank WHAT?!" |
Magic Crisp
Amarrian Micro Devices Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.06.25 08:04:00 -
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Why don't just make them scannable with some new kind of probes? more skills, more stuff, AFK cloakers are not time-limited, it just takes effort to track them down.
Or even, some new sov-module stuff for the ihub and POSs, a module that can temporarily disable cloaking in the system for a few minutes, with a fairly balanced cooldown time for its usage. You can still cloak for long, but can be screwed when AFK. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2012.06.25 11:27:00 -
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Magic Crisp wrote:Why don't just make them scannable with some new kind of probes? more skills, more stuff, AFK cloakers are not time-limited, it just takes effort to track them down.
Or even, some new sov-module stuff for the ihub and POSs, a module that can temporarily disable cloaking in the system for a few minutes, with a fairly balanced cooldown time for its usage. You can still cloak for long, but can be screwed when AFK.
Scannable with new probes?.... Well done you just broke Wormholes.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2012.06.25 11:29:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:I think it's a bad idea because it's not the AFK that you are really after... it's the people who are cloaked for a length of time you don't like. The trouble is there are times when this would become a serious problem in tight recon situations. It's a non starter for me.
I vote no.
As for the AFK, remove the cloaked from local so you never know people away from their keyboards are there. Then you'll never worry about the truly AFK again.
/This.
Its never the AFK cloakes that all these threads are after. Thats just an excuse. Its really the at their machine cloakers that are the real target of these posts.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Jackal Datapaw
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.27 06:47:00 -
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An AFK cloaker, is truely never AFK, he only chooses when to attack, how he wish to attack, and thus, creating fear. The logic in saying AFK cloaking, is broken logic, may I get a fix for your logic as well! =D |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.27 08:32:00 -
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complaining about "afk cloaking" is the same as complaining about people not logged into the game - so the problem is more being AFK. you want to forbid people being afk? you can't.
cloaking on the other hand has been working since ever, but what has been risen lately is the mental state of being frightened to whatever you cannot see / scan / lock. You cannot change that mental state of certain people by changing the whole game (with massive influences on other related mechanics which work fine). It's like destroying the sun because some people got sunburned. |
Mike Whiite
Keystone Industrial Band 0f Brothers
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:00:00 -
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Meh AFK cloaking is anyoing, just like Gate Camps, Pirate, combat probes, lack of merchandise on the market, and bosses not spawning.
maybe we should remove those problems as well.
It's part of the game deal with it, in low and WH people go out as well.
you could:
- Fleet up (when he shows his self all jump to the attacked one - reship to a cheaper ship (T1 battlecruiser instead of a faction/T3 chrismas tree - Jump to an adjourning system - learn to use D-scan (he needs to find you as well as long as you run probbed anomalies he can't find you without probing him self. - Align to safe point
-All of the above combined
All with all the change of escaping a attack in one peace is far larger than escaping a gatecamp.
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Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.27 11:47:00 -
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We never ever had problems with afk cloaky alts in our nullsec. You just recognized them in our intel channel. Noone complained, noone raged. Why? Because most of us are PvPer and we simply don't care. You simply take the risk, rat somewhere else or form up a local standing fleet. Counter those guys with numbers beeing afk or not. Grow a pair of balls and in case the cloaker shows up or lights a cyno enjoy those thrilling moments in EVIL-ONLINE. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:03:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:We never ever had problems with afk cloaky alts in our nullsec. You just recognized them in our intel channel. Noone complained, noone raged. Why? Because most of us are PvPer and we simply don't care. You simply take the risk, rat somewhere else or form up a local standing fleet. Counter those guys with numbers beeing afk or not. Grow a pair of balls and in case the cloaker shows up or lights a cyno enjoy those thrilling moments in EVIL-ONLINE.
Ah! It's so nice to hear from someone that isn't a complete wuss. All you chaps and chapettes whining about AFK cloakers should, in the case of the chaps, grow some balls.
We see so many whines about cloaking being too powerful and how it ruins people's game. I have news for you: a large portion of EvE and the reason a fair number of people play it is to ruin someone's game. It's not overpowered, you're complaining because you refuse to adapt. Well, in Eve, that's just not going to fly. Like the guy I knew who decided that Tengu's should be able to fly through nullsec risk free. After losing 4 he rage quit because he refused to learn from his mistakes. Your mistake is in thinking you can pve farm nullsec without getting harassed. You need to get everyone in your corp/alliance in a fleet for mutual support. If your corp/alliance can't protect their own space you don't deserve to have it and that includes dealing with an AFK cloaked player. If you have your defence set up correctly he can't do squat and if he does you should be able to kill him and his friends or die trying. It is, after all, a game.
As the saying goes, if you can't take the licks you shouldn't be performing cunilingus. Er... that might have been a different phrase to the one I was trying to think of but you get the drift. |
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