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Gabriel Virtus
hirr
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Posted - 2009.12.30 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 30/12/2009 07:39:52
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: Gabriel Virtus
If some moron bites, then the troll wins. It is always comical when some arrogant jackass makes a fool of himself. Reread the thread like a big boy, come back, and explain to me why you managed, yet another, ******ed post. If not, I will offer to you (for a limited time!) lessons in how not to own yourself - for a small nominal fee of course.
-GV
The only part of that you got right is the "arrogant" part. This is actually fun for me although I try to only do it right before bed when I have nothing better to do. I sit on the toilet and think about silly trolls like you who actually think that by saying something stupid you somehow win. lol.
You make me feel better about being me. Thanks.
Awww, playing damage control to make yourself feel better. How cute... your powers of rationalization are amazing! I wish I could manage the level of ignorance to the obvious that you seem to possess. I am assuming that is how you managed your arrogance in the first place. My offer still stands - for now - but the price went up. You are a harder case than I first thought. It is now 2x nominal fees.
-GV
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Leneerra
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.30 08:10:00 -
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Gabriel,
If you are going to accuse ebank of scaming at least get the reason why right. The way you posted here you are nothing more than a troll and ac155 is even right (though not smart) responding the way he does.
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Leneerra
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.30 08:31:00 -
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The stupid forum ate my post .. twice..
Gabriel, if you are going to accuse ebank of scamming, at least get the reason right.
you are now leveling invalid accusations at them demanding they defend themselves, just because you are too lazy to scan a thread. Not a productive enviroment.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.30 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 30/12/2009 19:42:16
Originally by: Gabriel Virtus Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 30/12/2009 19:38:10
Originally by: Leneerra The stupid forum ate my post .. twice..
Gabriel, if you are going to accuse ebank of scamming, at least get the reason right.
you are now leveling invalid accusations at them demanding they defend themselves, just because you are too lazy to scan a thread. Not a productive enviroment.
Leneerra,
Except that AC155 and Leneerra are right, and your previous several posts are flaming EBank and co. for the wrong reasons.
Don't get me wrong. Flame or do not flame EBank for the issues in the most recent post, but you failed in the three posts prior, as Kwint and EBank both confirmed that they didn't actually sell the shares, just trolled that part.
So, the requests for you to read before posting are accurate....
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Gabriel Virtus
hirr
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Posted - 2009.12.31 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 30/12/2009 19:42:16
Originally by: Gabriel Virtus Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 30/12/2009 19:38:10
Originally by: Leneerra The stupid forum ate my post .. twice..
Gabriel, if you are going to accuse ebank of scamming, at least get the reason right.
you are now leveling invalid accusations at them demanding they defend themselves, just because you are too lazy to scan a thread. Not a productive enviroment.
Leneerra,
bahhhh, bahhhhh, bahhh
You are a sheep.
-GV
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Angus McSpork
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.31 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Virtus
You are a sheep.
-GV
You appear to be a special kind of mouth-breathing window-licker so I'll put this in terms you can understand..
Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhn gargggle <snort slurp> Uuuuuuuurgh blarg snargle rrrrrrrrrrrrruh <bark snurgle grunt> Hnnnnnnnnnh Arh!
Got it?
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2009.12.31 08:14:00 -
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*draining coffee from keyboard*
that was bad angus, lol
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.12.31 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Virtus
You are a sheep.
-GV
At this rate, I'm fully expecting somebody to make an argument involving ****** or ****s before we reach 2010.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.12.31 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Gabriel Virtus
You are a sheep.
-GV
At this rate, I'm fully expecting somebody to make an argument involving ****** or ****s before we reach 2010.
In the eleven pages of this thread, I think Gabriel is the only person to have consistently made no attempt to usefully engage with what you are saying. Please don't tar the rest of us with the same brush. This behaviour is in no way representative of the vast majority of those asking questions of the bank and I suggest you just ignore him.
On another note, its been a few days now. Do you know if Ray has any plans to answer any of the questions we have put forward (very politely and in as constructive a manner as possible) in the EBANK thread?
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Rage Build
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Posted - 2009.12.31 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Rage Build on 31/12/2009 11:18:09
Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 29/12/2009 13:17:24 raw makes some nice arguments and present them in a good constructive way. I wouldn't mind a debate between him and Ebank, without the involvement of any outside trolls like myself!
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Dretzle Omega
1. Ray claims to sell the shares. 2. Kwint sees that the shares are not yet sold. 3. Kwint bans trading of shares so that Ray cannot follow through on the threat.
Not really a giant leap in logic there.
Anyways, I think the other conversation between RAW and co. is much more valuable right now, but this was all I had time to point out.
Yes. The leap is in assuming that Ray is going to sell the shares.
I fail to see the leap, are you saying we cant trust ray?
LV we are still waiting for your reply to this simple question. Yours and AC155 defence of Ray implys that his word is not to be trusted, so how can we in MD trust any thing he says about EBank?
And you guys are all bad mouthing Gabriel Virtus for trolling, and he has trolled on his lattest post but you seem to forget what he said in the begging.
Originally by: Gabriel Virtus So after knowing the situation with the shares and that the EBANK shares were essentially worthless, Ray and Friends decided to sell them to some unsuspecting person probably for full price knowing that Kwint would probably not honor them after he shut down the IPO.
I guess add that scam to the growing list of EBANK scams?
-GV
This is actually true, Ray after realising that the shares would be worthless tried to scam someone by selling these same shares. THIS IS TRUE, unless we get back to the argument that we cant trust what Ray says anymore.
An LV and AC155 by implying this you aren't doing Ray and EBank any favours.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.12.31 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rage Build
LV we are still waiting for your reply to this simple question. Yours and AC155 defence of Ray implys that his word is not to be trusted, so how can we in MD trust any thing he says about EBank?
It's a silly question, hence my answer would be silly.
Things are not black and white. But nice attempt at trolling
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.12.31 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23 Please don't tar the rest of us with the same brush. This behaviour is in no way representative of the vast majority of those asking questions of the bank and I suggest you just ignore him.
I agree, but you realize that if I called Gabriel out directly I'd get with the stick too, right?
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.12.31 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 31/12/2009 11:28:32 It was a serious question, you make absolutely no justification as to why kwint shouldn't have believed Ray. The reason is because you know you cant. (edit = justify it)
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.12.31 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 31/12/2009 11:28:32 It was a serious question, you make absolutely no justification as to why kwint shouldn't have believed Ray. The reason is because you know you cant. (edit = justify it)
Yes, and I already did.
Kwint should just have checked the shareholder list. As far as I'm aware, all EBANK shares are held by EBANK Athre.
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Rage Build
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Posted - 2009.12.31 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Rage Build
LV we are still waiting for your reply to this simple question. Yours and AC155 defence of Ray implys that his word is not to be trusted, so how can we in MD trust any thing he says about EBank?
It's a silly question, hence my answer would be silly.
Things are not black and white. But nice attempt at trolling
I'm not trying to troll I'm trying access the level of trust we should have in the president of the BoD of a EBank.
Ray was either: 1) Telling the truth in his statement and so scamming. 2) Lying, and that puts in question all his statments to date.
You were the one that started this argument by asking what proof there was of the selling of shares, and it was you who put in doubt the veracity of Rays word, not me.
Ray is the manager of hundreds of billions of ISK from fellow Eve players, he has taken unprecedented and controversial steps in controling that ISK, he was posting in a thread about the company he leads so he should have been more responsible in what he said. If he cant control what he says you guys should hire a public relations to handle all your responses and communications with the outside because Ray and the rest of BoD of EBank is doing a terrible job at it.
Because at the end of the day because of one statement from Ray a bond that was profitable for EBank and several other members of the Eve community had to close, and that closure and this discussion might lead to other ventures in which EBank participates to take the same actions.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.12.31 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 31/12/2009 11:28:32 It was a serious question, you make absolutely no justification as to why kwint shouldn't have believed Ray. The reason is because you know you cant. (edit = justify it)
Yes, and I already did.
Kwint should just have checked the shareholder list. As far as I'm aware, all EBANK shares are held by EBANK Athre.
I know what point you are trying to raise. But as a venture owner, why should you take a chance after being threatened? Ray is the chairman! We have to assume he has the support of the BOD, we know the BOD is a tight group. I would have done the exact same thing as kwint, with the only difference (and perhaps important difference) that I would probably have made formal contact in game first, before trying to solve the matter in public. But I have huge respect for kwints ideology as to why he did it in public, and I agree with his view.
You are trying to justify Ray trolling Kwint.
Kwint is the only one behaving rational in the situation we are discussing.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.12.31 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
I know what point you are trying to raise. But as a venture owner, why should you take a chance after being threatened? Ray is the chairman! We have to assume he has the support of the BOD, we know the BOD is a tight group. I would have done the exact same thing as kwint, with the only difference (and perhaps important difference) that I would probably have made formal contact in game first, before trying to solve the matter in public. But I have huge respect for kwints ideology as to why he did it in public, and I agree with his view.
You are trying to justify Ray trolling Kwint.
Kwint is the only one behaving rational in the situation we are discussing.
I'm not justifying Ray's actions. I'm just trying to point out that the actions taken by Kwint were way too much.
I have my opinion about what Ray did, I'm not going to share it in a public forum, as that would get me banned. But if you wanna keep on throwing strawmen at me because I don't roll' with the consensus about the morallity of what Kwint did, go right ahead.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.12.31 11:56:00 -
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NO U!
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.31 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 31/12/2009 14:45:53
Originally by: LaVista Vista I'm not justifying Ray's actions. I'm just trying to point out that the actions taken by Kwint were way too much.
I have my opinion about what Ray did, I'm not going to share it in a public forum, as that would get me banned. But if you wanna keep on throwing strawmen at me because I don't roll' with the consensus about the morallity of what Kwint did, go right ahead.
I was considering pointing out once again how your words made us feel as if you were defending Ray's comments that sparked the discussion, and how, as I proved before, it wasn't a giant leap of logic to think that EBank was going to sell the shares and yadda yadda.
But I think this post actually reveals the crux of this particular point, in that you did not approve of Ray's comments and prefer not to provide your own comments on how the lying/trolling in those posts in question bode on the image or well being of the bank. So we can avoid further tossing the ball back and forth to try to pull a response out of you here.
What you actually meant is that, as you say here, you think Kwint went too far. I think it's clear, by now, that at least the vocal members of the community also think that Kwint went too far in collecting 3 Bil in "damages". The rest was a justifiable extension of logic.
Originally by: Rage Build And you guys are all bad mouthing Gabriel Virtus for trolling, and he has trolled on his lattest post but you seem to forget what he said in the begging.
Originally by: Gabriel Virtus So after knowing the situation with the shares and that the EBANK shares were essentially worthless, Ray and Friends decided to sell them to some unsuspecting person probably for full price knowing that Kwint would probably not honor them after he shut down the IPO.
I guess add that scam to the growing list of EBANK scams?
-GV
This is actually true, Ray after realising that the shares would be worthless tried to scam someone by selling these same shares. THIS IS TRUE, unless we get back to the argument that we cant trust what Ray says anymore.
No, this was not true, and was the whole reason we asked him to actually read the thread (and the last few pages of the EBank thread wouldn't hurt, too) before posting uninformed garbage. Ray was trolling in that comment. He hadn't actually sold the shares yet (or Kwint's ban on selling would have been pointless). The question in everyone's mind, at that point, was whether that was a threat that he would be selling, hence the actions Kwint took to liquidate.
*sigh* And after typing that to you, I have to wonder why I did, when the history is in public on the forum and the original advice, to go and actually read, was valid.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2009.12.31 17:17:00 -
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Haha. Vista I like you. I know you didn't mean anything by it but the community, at this point, causing ebanks recovery failure is a laugh. No one person or group of persons can be held responsible for ebanks demise at this point simply because it should have been disolved anyway.
This band-aiding a severed leg approach just reeks of, "hi, I am the alliance leader of my alliance. I can steal 400 billion isk right now or if you gentleman invest 100 billion in me I can steal 600 billion!"
It's not the same scenario by any means but it's just as stupid. |
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Piezochem
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Posted - 2010.01.01 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Kwint should just have checked the shareholder list. As far as I'm aware, all EBANK shares are held by EBANK Athre.
AFAIK, the usual practice is to exchange ISK before shares. Taking that into consideration, it is entirely possible that a check of the shareholder list then wouldn't reveal the exchange when an exchange of ISK for the promise of shares had already taken place.
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