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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1308
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Posted - 2012.06.21 07:46:00 -
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Since joining the Minmatar militia months ago, I have noticed a disturbing trend: certain members of the militia do not regard other friendly militia members as... well... friendly. Most notably, my corporation and others I have worked with have had problems with KA POW POW Inc, members of the Late Night Alliance. They have repeatedly opened fire without cause or warning, leading to asset loss, Amarr fleets getting away, and other war objectives being compromised.
I have repeatedly tried diplomatic approaches, and have only found false assurances and been ignored. The result: yesterday, the Damu'Khonde alliance declared war on Late Night Alliance.
We do not seek to sabotage the anti-Amarr war effort, or to antagonize Late Night Alliance. We do not have any enmity for Autocannons Anonymous or other corporations who do respect friendlies.
We do, however, aim to clarify our standings. Those who shamelessly shoot allies will get shot back. They do not deserve "friendly militia" markings, and will be on the same business end of our guns as the Amarr are until they rectify their behavior. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
188
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Posted - 2012.06.21 08:11:00 -
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How unfortunate.
Given the strength of your people's spirit, I suspect this is partly do to Federal influence. Individualism at the expense of group strength. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
15
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Posted - 2012.06.21 08:18:00 -
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I wasnt even aware that DK was active in the warzone. Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1308
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Posted - 2012.06.21 08:21:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote:I wasnt even aware that DK was active in the warzone. We became active as an alliance a little over a month ago, as an entity to unite ex-Ushra'Khan pilots who wanted to focus on the warring militias instead of on null-security holdings. I probably should have made a public announcement to that effect, but neglected to. My bad! Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
164
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Posted - 2012.06.21 08:31:00 -
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Having served in the militia I'm privy to the knowledge of Late Night Alliance's attacks on other militia entities.
Of course, I would expect you to protect your crews as you see fit, but I can't help but feel that this news only highlights a symptom of a much deeper sickness within the militia. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1308
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Posted - 2012.06.21 09:52:00 -
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I have my own opinions on deeper problems the militia has, but what's your take? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
335
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Posted - 2012.06.21 12:03:00 -
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It saddens me to see this behavior has infested even the Matari militia. It seems every militia is filled with self-seeking privateers and pirates using the CONCORD delegation of "militia" as a mask to hide their intentions. These capsuleers have forsaken their honor and their integrity, they have turned their backs to their comrades and are the worst of filth flying under the banner of their respective governments.
The Honor Guard would offer assistance in dealing with piratical elements in your militia, but our participation in the State's militia makes us war targets to you and those within your militia. While I have no doubt you would honor such an arrangement, you cannot speak for the others who may or may not be aware of the arrangement or choose to honor it. Instead, the Honor Guard will extend its sincere hope for your success against this treachery while we continue to struggle with the same situation in our own.
~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon Honor Guard Recruitment Video ((OOC WHG PR Video)) |
Dame Death
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
1
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Posted - 2012.06.21 12:52:00 -
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Let me guess, you took some of Ka-pows loot, or tried to "leech" a compound, and they shot you?
All I can say is good luck to Manos and co. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
318
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Posted - 2012.06.21 12:56:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:It saddens me to see this behavior has infested even the Matari militia. It seems every militia is filled with self-seeking privateers and pirates using the CONCORD delegation of "militia" as a mask to hide their intentions. These capsuleers have forsaken their honor and their integrity, they have turned their backs to their comrades and are the worst of filth flying under the banner of their respective governments.
The Honor Guard would offer assistance in dealing with piratical elements in your militia, but our participation in the State's militia makes us war targets to you and those within your militia. While I have no doubt you would honor such an arrangement, you cannot speak for the others who may or may not be aware of the arrangement or choose to honor it. Instead, the Honor Guard will extend its sincere hope for your success against this treachery while we continue to struggle with the same situation in our own.
If I could, I would like to throw a quote at you.
"Never stop your enemy while he is making a mistake." |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
292
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Posted - 2012.06.21 14:09:00 -
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Surely you aren't suggesting capsuleer militia groups are taking advantage of CONCORD regulations for their own gain?
I find this claim dubious and highly unlikely. |
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Rogue Integer
Center for Empyrean Studies
9
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Posted - 2012.06.21 14:56:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:If I could, I would like to throw a quote at you.
"Never stop your enemy while he is making a mistake."
Honour, or at least the appearance of it, seems to matter more to Pilot Khross than victory or even consistency.
Perhaps the internal squabblings of the militias will allow them to focus their destructive energies on each other and overlook elements actually trying to do something useful. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
336
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:00:00 -
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Rogue Integer wrote: Honour, or at least the appearance of it, seems to matter more to Pilot Khross than victory or even consistency.
They are not exclusive. As for consistency, my actions and my words have remained consistent not only to themselves but also to one another.
Rogue Integer wrote:Perhaps the internal squabblings of the militias will allow them to focus their destructive energies on each other and overlook elements actually trying to do something useful.
Perhaps. ~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon Honor Guard Recruitment Video ((OOC WHG PR Video)) |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1310
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:11:00 -
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Dame Death wrote:Let me guess, you took some of Ka-pows loot, or tried to "leech" a compound, and they shot you? Some of the times they shot us they used the reasons you listed, though our behavior was more "being within 100 km of KA POW POW's loot" and "being in a compound of theirs for a couple of seconds, and never entering capture range" rather than any actual misbehavior on our part.
Believe me, I at first thought it was some of the novice members of Rifterlings screwing up as well, and I ensured everyone treated allies respectably: no loot-stealing, leaving a compound if asked to, etc. Only after the shootings continued under the same excuses, with no other militia groups complaining about Rifterlings behavior, did I start suspecting foul play. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
294
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:50:00 -
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I have some lovely cheese that pairs excellently with this whine.
Shoot them back.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1310
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:33:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:I have some lovely cheese that pairs excellently with this whine.
Shoot them back. What do you think the point of the wardec is? It certainly isn't to cuddle up with them. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
338
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:34:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: [...] yesterday, the Damu'Khonde alliance declared war on Late Night Alliance.
Those who shamelessly shoot allies will get shot back. They do not deserve "friendly militia" markings, and will be on the same business end of our guns as the Amarr are until they rectify their behavior.
I do believe "shooting them back" was rather the point of the original posting, Vitalia. ~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon Honor Guard Recruitment Video ((OOC WHG PR Video)) |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
43
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:54:00 -
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At aproximately 04:00 on the 18th of June, a small gang of Rifterlings in Kourmonen caught wind of an engagement at one of the asteroid belts. Eager to lend their assistance to fellow militia and shoot at Amarr, the gang warped to the belt and instead found themselves coming under fire from KA POW POW pilots, resulting in the loss of two frigates and dozens of Matari crewmembers. This incident, along with others, cannot be explained away by KA POW POW's simple greed for LP as the field was already cleared by the time our pilots arrived.
There have been reports of similar incidents from other pilots, including incidences of KA POW POW destroying the vessels of their own alliance mates.
This behavior - this treachery - cannot be tolerated in the Minmatar militia, and it will not be tolerated by the children of Ushra'Khan. While our brothers and sisters bleed under Amarrian rule this rogue group "KA POW POW" undermines our very efforts to liberate our kin for the sake of their own misguided greed. We have fought too hard, for too long, to see our efforts wasted so that these unscrupulous privateers can line their pockets with ISK.
This war will not end until KA POW POW either leaves militia or resolves to stop shooting purples. All Damu'Khonde pilots are in favor of this war, and are giving their full support for the war effort. We are prepared - willing and able - to see this war through. Rabble Rabble!! |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
294
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:55:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote: [...] yesterday, the Damu'Khonde alliance declared war on Late Night Alliance.
Those who shamelessly shoot allies will get shot back. They do not deserve "friendly militia" markings, and will be on the same business end of our guns as the Amarr are until they rectify their behavior. I do believe "shooting them back" was rather the point of the original posting, Vitalia.
I must have missed it among all the Militia navel-gazing. My mistake!
Carry on, best of luck with the fratricide and all. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
195
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:14:00 -
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I received a report earlier today that a massive alliance of pirates had been aiding the Minmatar against the Amarr but have apparently disengaged now. I wonder if your current woes will dissipate when the Republic's forces being to face serious opposition from the Empire. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
427
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Posted - 2012.06.21 21:45:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Malcolm Khross wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote: [...] yesterday, the Damu'Khonde alliance declared war on Late Night Alliance.
Those who shamelessly shoot allies will get shot back. They do not deserve "friendly militia" markings, and will be on the same business end of our guns as the Amarr are until they rectify their behavior. I do believe "shooting them back" was rather the point of the original posting, Vitalia. I must have missed it among all the Militia navel-gazing. My mistake! Carry on, best of luck with the fratricide and all.
This isn't fratricide.
This is excising a cancer, and even a civilian like me can see that, and recognise its importance.
In irae, veritas. |
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Jessie Arr
Order of the Black Dagger
2
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:02:00 -
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The Order of the Black Dagger endorses this war, and hopes that the pilots within Late Night Alliance who we are honored to fly with on a regular basis, and who are worth their salt will take heed of the situation KA POW POW has placed them all in.
Flying under the same banner as traitors does your reputation no favors, and I hope soon to see skilled, respectable corporations like Autocannons Anonymous publicly distance themselves from KA POW POW and other corporations within Late Night Alliance who shamelessly betray their militia allies out of convenience and greed. Order of the Black Dagger is a corp based around a simple goal: getting as much small gang PvP as we can handle. We accept USTZ PvP pilots of all skill levels.-áIf you are interested in joining, or simply flying with us from time to time, join our ingame channel: Dagger Pub and give us a shout! Our killboard:-áhttp://daggers.eve-kill.net/ |
Tri Vetra
Rifters
51
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Posted - 2012.06.21 23:51:00 -
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the very idea that distinguished pilots of KA POW POW corporation would hurt fellow minmatar is quite laughable OP is clearly jealous of KA POW POW superior combat record
the very idea |
Ninlarra
Tounge punching fart boxes Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 23:58:00 -
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http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13732607
If the above is any indication, you guys are royally ******, as I am terrible.
So far. I am not impressed. |
Rogue Integer
Center for Empyrean Studies
17
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Posted - 2012.06.22 00:01:00 -
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Given that you fly for a corporation that calls itself "Tounge (sic) punching fart boxes", I'm sure impressing you must be first on everyone's mind. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1314
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Posted - 2012.06.22 00:04:00 -
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Ninlarra wrote:http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13732607
If the above is any indication, you guys are royally ******, as I am terrible.
So far. I am not impressed. We are also terrible. Lowhyres is terrible and has money. If he didn't lose that Cynabal to you, he would have lost it to some Amarr. As such, I don't see your point.
The war exists simply to solve the misunderstanding that we are allied. As we get repeatedly shot by LNA, we are clearly not allied and CONCORD records should show that. Plus, it allows us to better know the battlefield when we know that purple stars will not shoot us in the back. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Ninlarra
Tounge punching fart boxes Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.06.22 01:37:00 -
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Rogue Integer wrote:Given that you fly for a corporation that calls itself "Tounge (sic) punching fart boxes", I'm sure impressing you must be first on everyone's mind.
I not only fly fot it. I am the CEO.
My corp name is relevant to a bunch of terribles being terrible.
They got the **** kicked out of them by some rtard flying for a corp named Tounge (correct spelling was taken) punching fart boxes".
That is all.
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Rogue Integer
Center for Empyrean Studies
17
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Posted - 2012.06.22 01:45:00 -
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If you can't take the trouble to make it readable, why should we take the trouble to read it?
CAOD is thataway. -> |
Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
89
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Posted - 2012.06.22 01:55:00 -
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This war disheartens me. The circumstances that instigated this action by Damu'Khonde have not only been felt by them but have also been reported to me by other neighbouring alliances. Late Night Alliance have been a great ally to the Minmatar Militia and Swift Angels Alliance for the last 12 months. It is through their hard work and those of similar sleep patterns that the Militia is in the great position we are currently with regards to the war against the Amarr.
I would be further disheartening to see this great respect and that hard work severed by the actions of one Corporation within the Late Night Alliance (LNA) and I would hope either LNA leadership or Manos take action to change this behaviour.
Yours regretfully,
Andiedeath |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
46
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Posted - 2012.06.22 02:00:00 -
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Ninlarra wrote:Rogue Integer wrote:Given that you fly for a corporation that calls itself "Tounge (sic) punching fart boxes", I'm sure impressing you must be first on everyone's mind. I not only fly fot it. I am the CEO. My corp name is relevant to a bunch of terribles being terrible. They got the **** kicked out of them by some rtard flying for a corp named Tounge (correct spelling was taken) punching fart boxes". That is all.
9. Killboard efficiency doesnt show how much fun you are having.
You don't sound like you're having fun.
Rabble Rabble!! |
Shaounee Huren
Tribal News Network
15
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Posted - 2012.06.22 02:08:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: The war exists simply to solve the misunderstanding that we are allied. As we get repeatedly shot by LNA,.
Mister Blackshell, Shaounee Huren, Tribal News Network. Does the above statement indicate that this war has been expanded from only targeting KA POW POW to all of Late Night Alliance and if so what do you think will be the response of many of those allied with Late Night such as Iron Oxide, Electus Matari, Autocannons and Defiant Legacy?
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Challis Drant
Gradient Electus Matari
2
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Posted - 2012.06.22 02:56:00 -
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Shaounee Huren wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote: The war exists simply to solve the misunderstanding that we are allied. As we get repeatedly shot by LNA,.
Mister Blackshell, Shaounee Huren, Tribal News Network. Does the above statement indicate that this war has been expanded from only targeting KA POW POW to all of Late Night Alliance and if so what do you think will be the response of many of those allied with Late Night such as Iron Oxide, Electus Matari, Autocannons and Defiant Legacy?
Please note Electus Matari is not allied with Late Night Alliance. They have refused on several occasions to agree to mutual blue to prevent friendly fire.
Make of that what you will.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1314
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:11:00 -
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Shaounee Huren wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote: The war exists simply to solve the misunderstanding that we are allied. As we get repeatedly shot by LNA,.
Mister Blackshell, Shaounee Huren, Tribal News Network. Does the above statement indicate that this war has been expanded from only targeting KA POW POW to all of Late Night Alliance and if so what do you think will be the response of many of those allied with Late Night such as Iron Oxide, Electus Matari, Autocannons and Defiant Legacy? Due to CONCORD regulations, a war cannot simply target a single corp in an alliance. If it could, we would just direct our aggression at KA POW POW. However, we had to wardec the whole of LNA. We had initially intended to try to limit aggression towards the other corps in LNA. They have decided to stand beside KA POW POW, so they are now valid targets.
I do not know what the other alliances do. For now, they appear to be sitting it out, and I am fine with that. There is no reason to want them to dogpile LNA, as LNA have mostly been good militia members and their contributions to the war have been invaluable.
I hope they do not sign on as allies, especially since LNA does not need help against D'K, so helping them would be implicitly supporting their blue-shooting actions -- which would be a very sad state for the militia.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
X Gallentius
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
289
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:49:00 -
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I blame Susan Black. That blogger is always up to no good. It's no wonder why she is always called primary by Fweddit.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1330
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Posted - 2012.06.27 04:21:00 -
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Press release and open letter to Late Night Alliance, with a long-form sum-up of the war and its future:
http://www.thewholefrigate.com/2012/06/open-letter-to-late-night-alliance.html
No new info, just different phrasing. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2544
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Posted - 2012.06.27 05:01:00 -
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I will repeat the offer I made a couple of nights ago. I will personally reimburse all losses dealt to either side of this war in exchange for both sets of leaders meeting in a channel to discuss the ending of hostilities as soon as possible. While Matari fighters shoot each other there are vast numbers of Amarrian auxillaries flooding into the warzone and we are in significant danger of seeing recent gains reversed and liberated worlds enslaved once again.
Tonight we could do little but listen to the Amarrians boasting in space through lack of a fleet to fight them!
I don't place blame on either side, I don't condemn anyone and I call you all my comrades-at-arms. Just think for a moment and consider the offer I have made. Lets meet and resolve this difference so we can turn our guns back on the Amarrians who are stealing the freedoms from our brethren while this dispute rumbles between us.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1330
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Posted - 2012.06.27 05:06:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: I will repeat the offer I made a couple of nights ago. I will personally reimburse all losses dealt to either side of this war in exchange for both sets of leaders meeting in a channel to discuss the ending of hostilities as soon as possible. While Matari fighters shoot each other there are vast numbers of Amarrian auxillaries flooding into the warzone and we are in significant danger of seeing recent gains reversed and liberated worlds enslaved once again.
Tonight we could do little but listen to the Amarrians boasting in space through lack of a fleet to fight them!
I don't place blame on either side, I don't condemn anyone and I call you all my comrades-at-arms. Just think for a moment and consider the offer I have made. Lets meet and resolve this difference so we can turn our guns back on the Amarrians who are stealing the freedoms from our brethren while this dispute rumbles between us.
I never heard of this offer before now. Who did you contact?
I am perfectly open to discussion to end the war ASAP. The only thing that is not on the table is my alliance members continuing to get shot without warning by friendlies after the end of the war. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2544
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Posted - 2012.06.27 05:11:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: I will repeat the offer I made a couple of nights ago. I will personally reimburse all losses dealt to either side of this war in exchange for both sets of leaders meeting in a channel to discuss the ending of hostilities as soon as possible. While Matari fighters shoot each other there are vast numbers of Amarrian auxillaries flooding into the warzone and we are in significant danger of seeing recent gains reversed and liberated worlds enslaved once again.
Tonight we could do little but listen to the Amarrians boasting in space through lack of a fleet to fight them!
I don't place blame on either side, I don't condemn anyone and I call you all my comrades-at-arms. Just think for a moment and consider the offer I have made. Lets meet and resolve this difference so we can turn our guns back on the Amarrians who are stealing the freedoms from our brethren while this dispute rumbles between us.
I never heard of this offer before now. Who did you contact?
A couple of officers of the Ushra'khan (whom) I'm told you will be shortly joining.
Quote:I am perfectly open to discussion to end the war ASAP. The only thing that is not on the table is my alliance members continuing to get shot without warning by friendlies after the end of the war.
Well, clearly no good comrade of the militia should be firing at another without cause. I'd like to hope this matter could be resolved amicably. I'm very happy to arbitrate, discuss, or simply put you guys in a room together. If pilots losing ships need the help I'm happy to cover all losses to date. But lets just get this business settled as soon as possible.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1330
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Posted - 2012.06.27 05:38:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:A couple of officers of the Ushra'khan (whom) I'm told you will be shortly joining. Ah. We will be joining, but we have not united diplo yet. Regardless, they should have probably told me of this.
Jade Constantine wrote:Well, clearly no good comrade of the militia should be firing at another without cause. I'd like to hope this matter could be resolved amicably. I'm very happy to arbitrate, discuss, or simply put you guys in a room together. If pilots losing ships need the help I'm happy to cover all losses to date. But lets just get this business settled as soon as possible. I believe I speak for my corp when I say Rifterlings losses are not an issue. Most of the ships lost to the war were corp-provided sheap ships, and the rest were flown by people with full knowledge of the possibility certainty of dying horribly (and I would hope they don't hold grudges over those ships).
I appreciate your initiative, and I hope it works. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
25
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:20:00 -
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Looks like Late Night Alliance are in danger of becoming another Heretic Nation. |
Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
35
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Posted - 2012.06.27 16:24:00 -
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Having flown alongside IFW pilots when I was a new pilot in FW both as part of the 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing and as a Valklear Guard, I'm deeply saddened by this turn of events.
I look forward to returning to FW as it has been many years but hope we can fight together against the Amarr, our true enemy, rather than fighting with each other.
I remember the Heretic Nation Pilots back then and I sincerely hope this isn't a case of that.
I hope Jade's offer is looked upon seriously and we can get back to the business of killing slavers. |
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Kuan Yida
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
10
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:55:00 -
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Late Nite will never be Heretics. They would prefer not to shoot fellow militia members, and are only privateers of opportunity; it is never their main goal, but they consider most non-aligned pilots operating in the war zone to be automatically considered hostile.
If there is an intermediary needed between the parties, I also offer myself as non-aligned diplomat, as HUANG has always had friendly relations with both parties involved, and HUANG pilots, while not members of the Late Nite alliance, are considered by most Late Nite pilots to be the closest of comrades.
Here's my post in reply to Petrus' post:
Quote:If you want Ka POW POW to stop shooting you, I will ask then nicely. But don't go tooting your horn about how critical you are to the war effort while disrespecting Ka POW POW--that kind of talk caused myself and Jade Constantine some time back to nearly come to blows. Instead, do as Jade did (props to Jade for this) and swallow your pride, join Late Nite gangs and contribute. If the Star Fraction/IFW conflict was resolved equitably, so can this Damu'Khonde/Ka.POW POW conflict.
HUANG pilots are not pirates. Nonetheless I consider Late Nite and in particular Ka POW POW pilots to be among the most skilled and fearless warrior capsuleers in New Eden, and I will stand by them as a matter of honor and loyalty.
They are, however, pirates. But they are OUR pirates. They are also completely irreverent, lawless freebooters who require other pilots to earn their respect. To me, that's the epitome (at least a valid interpretation) of the Minmatar way, as adopted by many free capsuleers.
If, like Jade, you earn their respect, they won't shoot you. War is messy, and we have ruthless killers on our side. If you don't cross them, they won't target you. And if you just become that much more flexible and accept that the Militia is home to all types, and accept LNA for what it is, then fleet up with them as we do and earn their respect instead of demanding it, which only earns their scorn.
Threatening LNA with UK will only make things worse. LNA has no respect for UK (unlike myself, I would clarify; HUANG has a long and close relationship with Ushra'Khan) and honestly that threat is likely to make most LNA members more gleeful than concerned. With the Amarr star rising at the moment with the influx of ever more FWEDDIT pilots in bigger and better ships, escalating the war only plays into the enemy's hand.
Oh, and Petrus, trying to use Transmaritanus as your envoy was probably a big mistake. You should pick your envoys more carefully. There is probably no other allied pilot more scorned by Ka POW POW and IFW than Trans. I'm certain he hurt your cause more than helped it. |
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
83
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:15:00 -
[42] - Quote
I can honestly say that trans has not helped this situation one bit from our side.
Do not listen to trans.
Although I am not a diplomat for LNA, I am a director in the executor corp and would gladly listen to your concerns. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
29
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Posted - 2012.06.27 21:14:00 -
[43] - Quote
Quote:trying to use Transmaritanus as your envoy was probably a big mistake.
Considering that he was literally one of only two LNA officers whom we could actually talk to successfully, despite repeated attempts to contact higher LNA leadership, I'm going to go ahead and put this on IFW and KPP. Perhaps LNA ought to look into having diplomats that will actually respond to queries if they don't feel the current arrangement effectively conveys their stance on the issues brought before them.
Quote:With the Amarr star rising at the moment with the influx of ever more FWEDDIT pilots in bigger and better ships, escalating the war only plays into the enemy's hand. If LNA wants to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with their hubris and arrogance, I am happy to let them. |
Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
35
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:06:00 -
[44] - Quote
Kuan Yida wrote:
If there is an intermediary needed between the parties, I also offer myself as non-aligned diplomat, as HUANG has always had friendly relations with both parties involved, and HUANG pilots, while not members of the Late Nite alliance, are considered by most Late Nite pilots to be the closest of comrades. ...
I am certain your offer is greatly appreciated. Please contact either Emrys Ap'Morgravaine or Petrus directly and let them know of your offer. I suspect Petrus may already be in touch with you.
I am not a diplo and contracting Emrys and/or Petrus would ensure that all communication happen through the correct channels
Kuan Yida wrote: ... Threatening LNA with UK will only make things worse. ...
I don't think Petrus ever intended to imply that he was threatening LNA with UK. Our joining FW and merging with DK has nothing to do with anything other than shift in direction of the alliance. The war is unfortunate but the membership stand behind our brothers in Damu'Khonde.
Inflammatory speech from either side should be avoided at this time until something is resolved, or not.
As mentioned, I'm no diplo nor am I an exec but leadership is pretty open about things and we would have likely been asked if this was even a consideration. |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
46
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:32:00 -
[45] - Quote
Kuan Yida, there's a few problems with your post. First of all, we don't care if KPP shoots us. Being shot at wasn't the issue - if it was, we wouldn't have joined Factional Warfare. The issue was being in a combat zone trying to engage hostiles whilst also being shot at by blues. Instead of dealing with "Is It Blue Or Not?" while fighting the war, we just WarDec'd LNA. Now LNA is flashy red to us, which solves the entire issue of "Is it Blue Or Not?", and allows us to pre-emptively engage without 1) losing standings, 2) losing security status, and 3) taking a GCC.
My closing TL;DR point:
The WarDec wasn't to hurt LNA, it was to clear up "Is It Blue Or Not?" issues that had been ongoing. As long as KPP shoots blues, then they won't be blue - they'll be flashy red. And that is all there is to it. Rabble Rabble!! |
Kuan Yida
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
10
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:44:00 -
[46] - Quote
Xuixien wrote: First of all, we don't care if KPP shoots us... The WarDec wasn't to hurt LNA, it was to clear up "Is It Blue Or Not?" issues that had been ongoing. As long as KPP shoots blues, then they won't be blue - they'll be flashy red. And that is all there is to it.
Technically, purple isn't blue. But that doesn't really matter.
With that attitude, I'll just withdraw my offer, and if you shoot at LNA while I'm in fleet with them, I'll shoot back at you. Sigh... there goes my poor sec status...
Like UK, I too must stand by my friends and allies, even if it means having to fire on other friends. Guess maybe you should also dec all corps and alliances friendly with LNA then? |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
46
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:58:00 -
[47] - Quote
Kuan Yida wrote:Xuixien wrote: First of all, we don't care if KPP shoots us... The WarDec wasn't to hurt LNA, it was to clear up "Is It Blue Or Not?" issues that had been ongoing. As long as KPP shoots blues, then they won't be blue - they'll be flashy red. And that is all there is to it. Technically, purple isn't blue. But that doesn't really matter. With that attitude, I'll just withdraw my offer, and if you shoot at LNA while I'm in fleet with them, I'll shoot back at you. Sigh... there goes my poor sec status... Like UK, I too must stand by my friends and allies, even if it means having to fire on other friends. Guess maybe you should also dec all corps and alliances friendly with LNA then?
Not sure what attitude you're referring to. Are you talk about the entitled "you must earn our respect, scrubs!" attitude or the pragmatic "we just want to know where everyone stands as far as valid targets go" attitude? Rabble Rabble!! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2562
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:58:00 -
[48] - Quote
Bloody hell really, as Kuan says if Bahamut and I can kiss and make up and have fun flying on the same side then anyone should be able too really. Can't we resolve this whole matter with some kind of formal single combat or duel rather than dragging the militia and interwoven tapestry of loyalties into this?
How about everyone just dials back the rhetoric a bit and gives it a chance to be resolved amicably.
(I can't quite believe I just said that, but hey)
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Aldrith Shutaq
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown Aegis Militia
46
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Posted - 2012.06.27 23:08:00 -
[49] - Quote
Dear me, who to side with? Arrogant sociopathic brigands who happen to fight for the Republic simply because they feel like it at the moment... or blood-mad terrorists who fight for the Republic simply because they want all Amarrians to die?
Choices, choices. |
Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
35
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Posted - 2012.06.27 23:45:00 -
[50] - Quote
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Dear me, who to side with? Arrogant sociopathic brigands who happen to fight for the Republic simply because they feel like it at the moment... or blood-mad terrorists who fight for the Republic simply because they want all Amarrians to die?
Choices, choices.
Hehe, Us, ofc, we are just so huggable.
Also a small technicality that I should address; we have Amarrians within our ranks and count them as our brothers. We don't want all Amarrians to die, just the empress b-i-tch and all her loyal slavers. The rest can live, provided they don't own anyone individual, regardless of race, as a slave.
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@Jade, you are correct we need to resolve this amicably and dial back the rhetoric (btw, I did lol reading this coming from you), but perhaps a public forum is not the place.... All voices are important but let cooler heads prevail and let us see if we can figure out a solution to this. KPP / DK are both worthy fighting forces and militia infighting just makes it more difficult to fight the Amarr as a cohesive force.
Edit: As an aside, that is likely the shortest post I have ever read of yours on the forums. |
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Aldrith Shutaq
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown Aegis Militia
46
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Posted - 2012.06.28 00:05:00 -
[51] - Quote
Thorvik wrote:Hehe, Us, ofc, we are just so huggable. Also a small technicality that I should address; we have Amarrians within our ranks and count them as our brothers. We don't want all Amarrians to die, just the empress b-i-tch and all her loyal slavers. The rest can live, provided they don't own anyone individual, regardless of race, as a slave.
We have a winner!
Burn those Late Night dogs, they have become insufferably annoying of late. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
128
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Posted - 2012.06.28 09:37:00 -
[52] - Quote
LNA being bad at diplomacy, who would have thought........ |
Braitai
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.28 10:51:00 -
[53] - Quote
Thorvik wrote:I remember the Heretic Nation Pilots back then and I sincerely hope this isn't a case of that.
Comparisons between Tics and LNA are laughable. I expect this whole thing will blow over eventually, probably quite soon in fact. As with our previous wars with militia corps, and even the pre-LNA war between AUTOZ and KPP, neither side is entirely innocent. Exchange of fire was initiated by boths sides for a variety of reasons, it'd be difficult to discover the root of the conflict.
Personally I find these internal wardecs to be somewhat annoying, as my primary combat interface is programmed to ignore friendlies, and tends to get a bit confused a ship shows up that happens to be both friendly, and a target.
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
420
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Posted - 2012.06.28 14:56:00 -
[54] - Quote
Peace has been made. We have ended the war under agreement that LNA will no longer shoot friendly militia. Any LNA members that believe a D'K pilot is intentionally leaching loyalty points or taking loot (Not that I think this was going on before, but I've heard the accusation) can contact myself or any other D'K leadership (ideally with proof) to have it resolved.
I think that means the smacktalk can stop. |
Wenron
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
21
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:47:00 -
[55] - Quote
Hugs all around.
Side note for future reference: If any friendly militia entity should find that my actions negatively impact their peace of mind, tell me and I will cease and desist. Let us be able to resolve conflict with words before we engage the rage. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2568
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:56:00 -
[56] - Quote
Kahega Amielden wrote:Peace has been made. We have ended the war under agreement that LNA will no longer shoot friendly militia. Any LNA members that believe a D'K pilot is intentionally leaching loyalty points or taking loot (Not that I think this was going on before, but I've heard the accusation) can contact myself or any other D'K leadership (ideally with proof) to have it resolved.
I think that means the smacktalk can stop.
Glad to hear it! Well done everyone for a sensible resolution.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1336
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:52:00 -
[57] - Quote
I'm glad reason prevailed and we can now 100% focus on shooting Amarr. Bonus points for it being resolved before Ushra'Khan had to step into the conflict (in more than a diplo role). Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2610
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:13:00 -
[58] - Quote
I dunno anything about any kind of resolution, its news to me, but glad someone else took care of it! I've done the diplo thing over the years but am just burnt out on it. Too much on my plate atm, and too tired of senseless drama to care.
For what its worth, this whole thing was he-said she-said from the beginning. KPP claims that Rifterlings shot first, and those of us in the alliance back them up, cause, well, we're in an alliance. It's what we do.
Part of the frustration with the diplo matter is that no one in LNA (with a few exceptions like Trans who wasn't in communication with any other alliance leaders about his negotiations) really cared about the war.
We're just simply not big on RP, purple to us =/= blue, and we reserve the right to fire on those that threaten our corp directly or indirectly. We don't care about sec status, we're NBSI, and we're all super casual about the game. Everyone in LNA wants to shoot stuff first and foremost above all things, so inter-militia wardecs are more like 'WOOHOO EXTRA TARGETS" to like 95% of LNA members. They just won't ever work as a motivator to threaten us.
Thus, attempts at SRS BIZNESS diplo were naturally doomed to fail cause LNA doesnt really do SRS BIZNESS diplo. We barely have any alliance structure at all, most could care less about the organization stuff and so it just doesnt happen. We're not a traditional alliance, just a group of friends that like to fly together and kill stuffs, If someone wants to wardec us, we just take the extra targets and have fun with it.
From the beginning, I forwarded all of Petrus's mails and concerns straight to our CEO, who said "GREAT. LETS KILL THEM." and thats pretty much been the "official" LNA response since than. I think a lot of this is just people misunderstanding LNA and the face that to us this is just a game, if we're fired upon we fire back - blowing up spaceships is just more fun than trying to talk out a resolution when no one would give a straightforward accounting in the first place.
The idea that this is some big inter-militia beef or that this threatens the war, yadda, yadda, yadda is just silly. This will bleed one of the two parties involved of ships, and nothing else will be accomplished, so i'm glad its over. But honestly, it could have gone one forever and it really wouldn't have changed much. LNA pulls its weight in the war against the Amarr, we've always been loyal to the Minnie cause (but that doesnt mean we're friends with all purples, there's a big difference) - and a rifterling war would not have slowed us down one bit. Hence, why no one even bothered to come to the forums about this.
TL,DR:
Less talk, more shooty - that's the LNA way. We're in FW for the casual PvP, if we wanted SRS BIZNESS diplo and such we'd move out to 0.0.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1338
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:43:00 -
[59] - Quote
There is an expectation in militia that the people on the same side would not shoot each other... or at least have the minor decency of warning you before opening fire on friendlies.
Rifterlings did not fire first, and I have the unanswered mail I sent to you in which I politely asked for LNA to do something about shooting friendlies without warning so we wouldn't have to -- which you proceeded to ignore and cheer for more targets. From what I understand, the last mail from Order of the Black Dagger was ignored in a similar manner.
I understand just wanting fights and to have fun, and I am fine with defending plexes against leechers, or defending loot against thieves. If a leecher enters your plex, he probably expects retaliation, same as someone who wants to steal your loot.
However, simply entering a plex is not a sign that I want to leech on it -- especially when there's a war target in system and I don't even approach the capture area. Sticking around in an asteroid belt after a fight does not mean I want to steal loot -- especially when I'm nowhere near the wrecks in question. Firing in these circumstances is simply shooting someone who is not a threat (and is even helping you) and can be perceived as reckless, triggerhappy and rude.
If shooting without warning at people who are (or at least, believe they are) your allies and trying to help you is just "casual PvP" and as low as LNA has to stoop to get kills, that's just sad. I suppose that's not my business, though. My business comes in when corp morale is shot by being shot by people perceived as friendlies, and the war was to mark LNA as unfriendly, to correspond to their actions.
If my corp members are leeching your LP and they refuse to leave, kill them horribly. If they are stealing your loot and being assholes, by all means, teach them a lesson. If they just happen to be present there, or worse, in the process of hunting Amarr and believing you're on their side, opening fire is just wrong.
By being in the militia, LNA is taking a side in a conflict. While kicking the asses of people who are in your way is all well and good and necessary, backstabbing the people who are fighting beside you and chalking it up to "it's okay, we're NBSI and laid back" is just... why are you even in the militia? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2610
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Posted - 2012.06.29 05:34:00 -
[60] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Rifterlings did not fire first, and I have the unanswered mail I sent to you in which I politely asked for LNA to do something about shooting friendlies without warning so we wouldn't have to -- which you proceeded to ignore and cheer for more targets. From what I understand, the last mail from Order of the Black Dagger was ignored in a similar manner.
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By being in the militia, LNA is taking a side in a conflict. While kicking the asses of people who are in your way is all well and good and necessary, backstabbing the people who are fighting beside you and chalking it up to "it's okay, we're NBSI and laid back" is just... why are you even in the militia?
Once again, your mail was never ignored, I'm trying to explain that my days of personally managing diplomacy for my corp or Alliance are over, for the time being. I forwarded it to my CEO, like I said, if you didn't receive a response it was because my alliance leadership failed to respond.
I personally was fairly neutral about this war from the beginning. I heard conflicting stories about the events that initiated it, but in the end my loyalty is to my CEO, Bahamut420. He has been a hero to the Minmatar militia for ages now, his work to lead our people to victory is unquestioned (he was awarded the Heathen award, if you recall, for his fierce opposition to the Empire) and I trust Baha implicitly.
Thus, he has the final say in such matters. If he assesses the situation, finds Ka Pow Pow justified in taking the actions they did, and endorses the war against Damu'khonde, than it is not my place to question orders, its to defend him and my alliance mates. Trans was looking out for our corporate interests, as AUTOZ had friended the rifterlings, but AUTOZ also stands behind Baha and follows orders at the end of the day. If Baha decides we fight, we fight.
Once again, our loyalty is to the Minmatar cause as a whole - not to individuals within our militia that may threaten us. You may disagree about the circumstances, but understand LNA has never stated that we endorse openly firing upon other Minmatar loyalists without provocation. I sympathize with the fact that you felt you were victimized, but its hardly the first time two tribes have disagreed about a series of events and drawn knives on each other.
Thank you for your understanding, I'm glad the war is over and I look forward to fighting the Amarr alongside Rifterlings. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1341
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Posted - 2012.06.29 11:09:00 -
[61] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:understand LNA has never stated that we endorse openly firing upon other Minmatar loyalists without provocation. This is true, I have never heard it in an official manner. Certain members have stated things to the effect of being able to shoot whomever they want, but I'll let it go and chalk it up to hubris and grandstanding in the particular situation -- something I'm sure my corp members and I are not innocent of, either.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Thank you for your understanding, I'm glad the war is over and I look forward to fighting the Amarr alongside Rifterlings. Same right back at you. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Wenron
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
22
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Posted - 2012.06.29 14:28:00 -
[62] - Quote
We can still have hugs? |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
317
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Posted - 2012.07.02 02:03:00 -
[63] - Quote
No hugs. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Wex Manchester
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
51
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Posted - 2012.07.02 02:43:00 -
[64] - Quote
In the spirit of walking before running...
Handshake? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1344
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Posted - 2012.07.02 03:24:00 -
[65] - Quote
Wex Manchester wrote:In the spirit of walking before running...
Handshake? Sure, just lemme get my joy buzzer set up first. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Wenron
Rifterlings
22
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Posted - 2012.07.02 15:52:00 -
[66] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:No hugs.
No one ever wants hugs. |
Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
177
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Posted - 2012.07.04 05:33:00 -
[67] - Quote
Rifterlings are not important.
http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
177
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Posted - 2012.07.04 05:54:00 -
[68] - Quote
Kahega Amielden wrote:Peace has been made. We have ended the war under agreement that LNA will no longer shoot friendly militia. Any LNA members that believe a D'K pilot is intentionally leaching loyalty points or taking loot (Not that I think this was going on before, but I've heard the accusation) can contact myself or any other D'K leadership (ideally with proof) to have it resolved.
I think that means the smacktalk can stop.
Very funny joke http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1363
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Posted - 2012.07.04 06:09:00 -
[69] - Quote
Silence iKillYouu wrote:Rifterlings are not important.
Anyway the war is over. Move on.
I created Late Night Allaince as a 'Just for fun pvp allaince' We do what we want we dont really have leadership and if other alliance's try bully us around we shoot em in the face. Late Night was never meant to be a serious powerblock with diplo's and boss's Late night is just a group of mates who fly together plus Autoz.. Yes, I get it. We're not important, LNA is super important; chestbeating is fun and we can both agree on that.
Your guys shot my guys unjustly. That means we had a problem. I don't care how "just for fun" you are, or if you can count your diplos or leadership on one hand or on a hundred hands. I wasn't able to solve the problem nicely, so I resorted to war and making a shitstorm. It seems it worked and we can go about our business now.
Feel free to feel "bullied" or whatever if that's what you believe happened. I don't care.
If problems come up between allies (be they friendly-shooting, plex-leeching, or nose-picking), they can be solved by either side backing down, or both sides talking it out, or both sides shooting it out.This applies no matter how serious the sides are. Being "for fun" is not license to step all over your allies. You never know who's going to stand up and say "no more".
I've already wasted too much of my time on this issue. I'm done. Let's just keep our guns off of each other and just "move on". Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
177
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Posted - 2012.07.04 11:07:00 -
[70] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Silence iKillYouu wrote:Rifterlings are not important.
Anyway the war is over. Move on.
I created Late Night Allaince as a 'Just for fun pvp allaince' We do what we want we dont really have leadership and if other alliance's try bully us around we shoot em in the face. Late Night was never meant to be a serious powerblock with diplo's and boss's Late night is just a group of mates who fly together plus Autoz.. Yes, I get it. We're not important, LNA is super important; chestbeating is fun and we can both agree on that. Your guys shot my guys unjustly. That means we had a problem. I don't care how "just for fun" you are, or if you can count your diplos or leadership on one hand or on a hundred hands. I wasn't able to solve the problem nicely, so I resorted to war and making a shitstorm. It seems it worked and we can go about our business now. Feel free to feel "bullied" or whatever if that's what you believe happened. I don't care. If problems come up between allies (be they friendly-shooting, plex-leeching, or nose-picking), they can be solved by either side backing down, or both sides talking it out, or both sides shooting it out.This applies no matter how serious the sides are. Being "for fun" is not license to step all over your allies. You never know who's going to stand up and say "no more". I've already wasted too much of my time on this issue. I'm done. Let's just keep our guns off of each other and just "move on".
Yes i feel bullied that a group of frig pilots war dec'd my alliance. I never wanted to undock i was pretty afraid of u guys during the war. I will move on but if i ever have reason to shoot u guys i still will. Any other corp we would just leave alone but seems u guys made such a big deal of this most of us will be looking forward to seeing u in space again. We get groups like u come thru militia all the time
http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
42
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Posted - 2012.07.04 11:35:00 -
[71] - Quote
Wenron wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:No hugs. No one ever wants hugs.
Awwww shucks, come here you and have a hug..... |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1365
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Posted - 2012.07.04 15:10:00 -
[72] - Quote
Silence iKillYouu wrote: Yes i feel bullied that a group of frig pilots war dec'd my alliance. I never wanted to undock i was pretty afraid of u guys during the war.
Silence iKillYouu wrote:if other alliance's try bully us around we shoot em in the face. You're the one who said it, not me.
Silence iKillYouu wrote: I will move on but if i ever have reason to shoot u guys i still will. Any other corp we would just leave alone but seems u guys made such a big deal of this most of us will be looking forward to seeing u in space again. We get groups like u come thru militia all the time
If any Rifterling does something stupid and loots/salvages a wreck that is not his, or leeches a plex, or has his overview set up wrong and has -10 above "militia member", it means he needs to learn to respect his allies. Feel free to shoot him.
The issue that we had was being shot pre-emptively or without any real reason beyond "they were there, were totally looking at me funny, and I am sooo laid back". The war was just an answer to being shot by allies for no reason, and not being able to resolve it using words. I'm sure you would have done the same if another militia group was shooting LNA with impunity or no explanation. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Since this thread is so active, I am not going to lock it. However, the degree of out of character posts is reaching a critical amount. Please remember that this forum is for role-play only.
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Stork Councilman Thelonius
NightSong Holdings NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:16:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:Since this thread is so active, I am not going to lock it. However, the degree of out of character posts is reaching a critical amount. Please remember that this forum is for role-play only.
ISD Tyrozan
to be fair i thought Silence "iKillYouu" (??) was doing a wonderful job protraying his role as the arrogant, "angsty 14 year-old aol user". |
Braitai
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:21:00 -
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http://kuanyida.tumblr.com/post/26482606371/oh-the-irony
Rifterlings open fire on members of LNA, as well as long serving militia pilot Kuan Yida of Huang Yinglong. |
Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
177
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:30:00 -
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Braitai wrote:http://kuanyida.tumblr.com/post/26482606371/oh-the-irony
Rifterlings open fire on members of LNA, as well as long serving militia pilot Kuan Yida of Huang Yinglong.
We will rid the galaxy of these rebel scum. They fly under militia flags but we all know why they're here. http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:14:00 -
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It was an overview standings mishap, and corp/alliance leadership has taken steps to make sure everyone's overviews are now set right. Unfortunate that a trigger-happy newbie would screw up so soon and cause an incident, but that's life.
Our (Rifterlings') purpose in the militia is to do what we can for the war effort in frigates/cruisers, and to train new and aspiring members. The latter can lead to screw-ups as you have seen. If that is unacceptable, feel free to start shooting us up again and to talk about how we're the aggressors and the bullies and you will drive us out. We quiver with fear. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2618
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:25:00 -
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No amount of overview settings mishap would lead to someone shooting Kuan Yida. Rifterlings just signed their own death warrant.
You might as well run and cry to the Amarr gods now, The Spirits of the Ancestors will never hear the pleas of someone who has attacked one of the of the mighty Huang Yinlong!!! Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1369
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:26:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:No amount of overview settings mishap would lead to someone shooting Kuan Yida. Rifterlings just signed their own death warrant. You might as well run and cry to the Amarr gods now, The Spirits of the Ancestors will never hear the pleas of someone who has attacked one of the of the mighty Huang Yinlong!!!
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:44:00 -
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Nevermind, I dont even care at this point... Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1369
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:55:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote:Nevermind, I dont even care at this point... Yyyyep. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
177
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:05:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Los Muertas wrote:Nevermind, I dont even care at this point... Yyyyep. Ran out of propaganda to broadcast ?
http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1369
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:09:00 -
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Silence iKillYouu wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Los Muertas wrote:Nevermind, I dont even care at this point... Yyyyep. Ran out of propaganda to broadcast ? Yeah, pretty much. I have said all that needs to be said for now. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:42:00 -
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The ironic part is KPP crying about people shooting blues. Rabble Rabble!! |
Wenron
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.07.05 13:51:00 -
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Thanks to the Amarr who offer hugs, but I believe that the hug is a lie. I will not feel the embrace of a shackle!
To our fellow Minmatar: we are tribal, we are proud, we will not always get along, but there has not yet been any wrong that cannot be undone in a hangar full of spiced wine and exotic dancers. Here's to exotic dancers. |
Lyskal Oskold
Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:26:00 -
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Any that would go beyond hindering, to down right murder against our own people for greed are as bad as the Amarrians and should be treated as such.
Exotic dancers may be nice but they lack the thrill of inspired executions... Pirates are red,buddies are blue,if you're unlucky enough to be orange,I'll f*cking kill you. |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.07.13 01:45:00 -
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At the request of the thread owner, this thread is being locked.
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