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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
551
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Posted - 2012.06.21 14:56:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:. If they were RPing at all then not as pirates but as psychopaths. Why would I respect that? Would you respect someone who GÇ£roleplayedGÇ¥ as something equally wretched? How about a pedophile capsuleer? Should one respect that?
Perhaps the killers were Rp'ing you as a self entitled annoying cruel, sadistic and tyrannical ruler, but also incompetent, naive, fairly stupid, cowardly, prone to rash outbursts of violence and perhaps even insane. They felt they were doing New Eden a service taking you down as you unwisely traveled alone without guard. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8118
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Posted - 2012.06.21 14:56:00 -
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Sin Pew wrote:David Toviyah wrote:I am ... or at least was roleplaying as a capsuleer who, similarly to Amarr royalty, refuses to use cloning technology If it were so, you wouldn't be a capsuler at all. Hint: you are a clone already. That too.
If you want RP, remember: you are not a human; you have no GÇ£lifeGÇ¥ in the conventional meaning GÇö you are an infomorph, a digitized conciousness who has long since left behind such silly and crude antiquities as flesh. Being so ferociously attached to a body as to think GÇ£clonesGÇ¥ matter in the slightest means you are a flawed transfer to begin with and that you should have been rejected during the selection process. You are not worthy of the gift that has been bestowed upon you and your attackers were in the right to try to have you purged. We don't need those kinds of bugs in the system to be perpetuated. Please release the name of your transfer technician so we can have him, his workplace, and his home town (just to be careful) eradicated for the abysmal failure you represent. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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David Toviyah
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.06.21 14:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:For the same reason you demand that your RPing shold be respected. Where did I do that?
Tokclik wrote:OP is pro poster Nope.
Sin Pew wrote:If it were so, you wouldn't be a capsuler at all. Hint: you are a clone already. Is that so? According to official lore or fan fiction?
Aulx-Gao Ekanon wrote:If your're doing the RP thing then why not make the new character a family member or someone hired to investigate the disappearance of the first character? You could go through his Rolodex and ask his contacts for information regarding his last known whereabouts, favorite restaurants and slave marts, etc. Hrm, thanks, I will think about it.
Doddy wrote:If he was actually roleplaying, he would be dead not posting The forum is not part of the EVE universe :T |
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.06.21 14:58:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Nice job my friend. Netted yourself a pretty good haul for the day.
10/10
True. But sometimes it is fun. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4099
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Posted - 2012.06.21 14:58:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Savage Angel wrote:If you want to play hardcore mode then biomass the character and make another. Isn't that the whole point of what you are trying to do? I guess but I donGÇÖt know how to find the power to go on. I mean doing so would not only require me to start from scratch which is annoying enough, no, I would also lose essentially all contacts et cetera. As such, I was hoping that I would receive some consolation here with people encouraging me and giving me ideas on how to continue. Alas, it seems that all I can expect here is scorn and ridicule
Well I did try to be encouraging, but the point is you cant expect all the other players to be aware of your RP, nor can you expect them to modify their game to suit you.
Really, your problem is an RP problem and we can't solve that for you. What do you want us to say?
RP a reason for your character to go on, or even create a new character. As such, merely losing a ship is a pretty trivial reason to quit. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
David Toviyah
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.06.21 14:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:If you want RP, remember: you are not a human; you have no GÇ£lifeGÇ¥ in the conventional meaning GÇö you are an infomorph, a digitized conciousness who has long since left behind such silly and crude antiquities as flesh. Again, is that canon?
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Aracturus
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.06.21 14:59:00 -
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*rushes in* Someone call for goons?
Oh and Jade, you have no idea how dangerous it is out here.... being shot by blues err.... reds.... |
David Toviyah
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:02:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:What do you want us to say? Something that helps me cope with this. The GÇ£You already are a cloneGÇ¥ one for example. This might prove to be a solution to my problem should it turn out to be true.
Malcanis wrote:As such, merely losing a ship is a pretty trivial reason to quit. Yes and as you (should) know that is not the reason.
Oh and please, people, stop implying that I am a troll. I am not. I picked up EVE a mere month ago and have never played it before. Can I somehow prove to you that this story is legit? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2396
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Also, Jade, take your meds or go have yourself checked out so you can get some. Your paranoia is showing.
I hope you aren't going to claim that comedy posting on troll threads is now some kind of a "duping exploit" too !
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
David Toviyah
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:05:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:I hope you aren't going to claim that comedy posting on troll threads is now some kind of a "duping exploit" too ! Seriously, stop it, you are embarrassing yourself sooo badly in front of me right now by claiming with such confidence that this is a GÇ£troll threadGÇ¥. Conceitedness and delusion at its worst. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4099
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:08:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Malcanis wrote:It sounds like you were well aware that you were risking SP loss, and you must have clicked through the lo-sec warning, so I'm not sure what your problem is here? You made a gamble and it din't pay off? What warning? Also, what gamble?
By default, you start with all warnings enabled, including the warning pop up that you have to click through to jump into lo-sec. Either you ignored it or you'd disabled it.
David Toviyah wrote:Malcanis wrote:More to the point the guys that killed you were roleplaying pirates; their thing is being merciless robbers who blow other ships up for the loot. Why should they believe you have no valuables? Why don't you respect their RP? Why should they believe that I have no valuables? Maybe because IGÇÖm new, flying a ship with virtually no cargo hold? Or maybe they could have scanned it since I was obviously unarmed. If they were RPing at all then not as pirates but as psychopaths. Why would I respect that? Would you respect someone who GÇ£roleplayedGÇ¥ as something equally wretched? How about a pedophile capsuleer? Should one respect that?
People use alts in small or cheap ships to transport valuables all the time. It's hilariously common - ask about the guy who moved 74 PLEX in an unfitted Kestrel (T1 frigate). I say this from personal knowedge, as I did some pirating for a time. Let me tell you a bit about how it works:
You only have a second or two at best to catch any ship that jumps through. There is simply no time to check bios or read employment histories. Additionally, other, larger groups may appear at any time, so there's simply no point wanting time faffing about with scanners (let alone wasting a valuable mid-slot better spent on tanking mods or sensor boosters).
The simplest, safest and most efficient way to see what loot you have is to blow your ship up as quickly as possible and quickly loot the wreck. Equally, the best way to remove you from the area and prevent you scaring the other fish away is to pod you if at all possible. I might add that I was appalled by the number of podkills we got in just a couple of months.
David Toviyah wrote: Anyway, I might get in touch with you regarding that revenge thing. ItGÇÖs just that I have all but lost my will to continue playing right now.
You'll find this forum tends to be very helpful towards people who want to take responsibility for their own game, but very unsympathetic to quitters. I and all the other "psychopaths" will be more thn happy to give you as much advice as you can deal with once you've calmed down and decided to get even, not mad
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
647
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:09:00 -
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Quaaid wrote:Like a vir-ir-ir-ir-gin....
For the very first time, The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
David Toviyah
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:You'll find this forum tends to be very helpful towards people who want to take responsibility for their own game, but very unsympathetic to quitters. Is that not exactly what I am doing? Were I a quitter I would not have started this thread and asked for advice.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2397
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:14:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I hope you aren't going to claim that comedy posting on troll threads is now some kind of a "duping exploit" too ! Seriously, stop it, you are embarrassing yourself sooo badly in front of me right now by claiming with such confidence that this is a GÇ£troll threadGÇ¥. Conceitedness and delusion at its worst.
Okay I will give you some serious roleplaying advise.
Your character doesn't believe in cloning tech. Fine. So you don't take out clone insurance. Unfortunately for your character the concord bureau of capsuleers has a minimum standard of public health care and you get a baseline resurrection into a new clone whether you like it or not. So after you got killed you fine yourself shivering in a paper underwear on the main concorse of the local cloning station confused, wet, and feeling slightly humiliated.
Fortunately for you!
The cloning has imperfectly restored your memory of the events that led to your death. By consequence your last couple of days is a complete blank. Staring into the clone-shop windows at your red-eyed and shaven-headed features you become convinced that you didn't actually die at all but merely became victim of some fresher's prank at the university of caille where they stole your clothes and shaved your head and dumped you on a lonely space station.
That must be it!
There you go, all ennui erased and motivation restored.
That'll be 1m isk please for my professional consultatncy on your self esteem problem.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8118
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:14:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Tippia wrote:For the same reason you demand that your RPing shold be respected. Where did I do that?
GÇ£Now, most of you will think GÇ£So what? Welcome to EVE.GÇ¥ and I would agree if not for the fact that I am ... or at least was roleplaying as a capsuleer who, similarly to Amarr royalty, refuses to use cloning technology. The financial loss and the subtracted skillpoints (I hadnGÇÖt upgraded my clone for aforementioned RPing reasons) are not what bothers me - they are minimal anyway. It is this devastating loss of purpose for this character.GÇ¥ GåÉ there, and here GåÆ GÇ£Why should they believe that I have no valuables? Maybe because IGÇÖm new, flying a ship with virtually no cargo hold?GÇ¥
Quote:Is that so? According to official lore or fan fiction? Official lore. Having your original brain fried is pretty much a part of the capsuleer creation process. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
351
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:15:00 -
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When flying about in low sec I like to role play someone who mixed up his meds that morning and pretend I have sausages stuck in my ears and I'm wearing a blue romper suit. Imagine the corpse if I get podded. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method |
David Toviyah
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:16:00 -
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ThatGÇÖs actually not half bad, Tippia. |
Aliaksandre
Black Rebel Rifter Club
45
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:17:00 -
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This. Is. Awesome.
1 like given to OP.
10/10 |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
4
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:18:00 -
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Here's the thing: you've got to understand and accept that the pirates wandering through low-sec and null-sec are not gentlemen of fortune in the Long John Silver/Errol Flynn mold. They're cruel, sadistic, opportunistic sociopaths who will be indifferent to pleas for mercy on a good day. Think more like the modern pirates preying off the African coasts. Anything to them is a potential score; they'll burn down anything down to a shuttlecraft that crosses their guns. And for all they knew, that Imicus might have been holding a billion ISK or more worth of loot; sometimes people will use light frigates as fast couriers to get small stuff from point A to point B. Or perhaps the Imicus might have been a scout for a rival pirate gang or a militia fleet looking to pick up some pirate scalps; it's been known to happen.
Pirate podkills happen to all of us at some point - systems like Aunenen and Rancer are notorious for pirates looking for any targets of opportunities. Sometimes you'll get ransomed - someone once demanded 75 million ISK to not blow up my pod in Rancer, which I didn't happen to have at the time.
EVE is full of sociopaths like that. It's also full of decent folk who, if you stumble into the right group, will watch your back, take you under their wings, and shepherd you through the growing pains in this merciless universe.
Who knows? Maybe sometime soon, you'll be flying an Imicus that looks like a juicy target ... only you'll have a squadron of battlecruisers standing by to warp in on you as backup and shoot the pirates' fancy ships out from under them.
It's been known to happen. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4099
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:19:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Malcanis wrote:You'll find this forum tends to be very helpful towards people who want to take responsibility for their own game, but very unsympathetic to quitters. Is that not exactly what I am doing? Were I a quitter I would not have started this thread and asked for advice.
I thought you said you were looking for consolation.
OK what do you want to do about this? What limitations are you going to impose upon yourself? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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David Toviyah
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:21:00 -
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Limitations? What do you mean?
Tippia wrote:GåÉ there, and here GåÆ How is that asking for respect of my RPing? I was merely trying to understand what they got out of killing me. Malcanis explained that now. I never said that I was mad about them not GÇ£respectingGÇ¥ my choice not to use clones. This would be fucking retarded. It was the seemingly baseless and mean ambush that annoyed me.
[quote=Tippia]Quote:Having your original brain fried is pretty much a part of the capsuleer creation process. Could you quote the relevant part? I was already familiar with that article and now rereading it I did not find any such passage either. Did I miss it or something? |
darmwand
Repo.
55
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:24:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:Here's the thing: you've got to understand and accept that the pirates wandering through low-sec and null-sec are not gentlemen of fortune in the Long John Silver/Errol Flynn mold. They're cruel, sadistic, opportunistic sociopaths who will be indifferent to pleas for mercy on a good day.
Nope. Maybe that's the case in null, but in low there's plenty of gentlepirates. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
286
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:26:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Tippia wrote:Having your original brain fried is pretty much a part of the capsuleer creation process. Could you quote the relevant part? I was already familiar with that article and now rereading it I did not find any such passage either. Did I miss it or something?
If you did the tutorials that started inside the Captain's Quarters when you created your character, you'd have seen it.
Of course, that's actually a relatively new thing for the EVE universe - back when I started that was not the case. So, IC, any characters created before Incarna technically could still have access to their original bodies.
But not anymore. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3588
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:26:00 -
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Why were you using a gallente ship if roleplaying as a member of amarr royalty also you used a clone, just a crap one |
David Toviyah
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:31:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:Think more like the modern pirates preying off the African coasts. That comparison was, at best, astonishingly uninformed and at worst blatantly vile. Modern pirates in, for instance, Somalia were forced into this behavior because their only real alternative was starvation or some suicidal trip to Europe. Now, obviously that does not condone their crimes but it illustrates why comparing them to elite millionaires equipped with some of the most sophisticated technology in the entire universe who seem to be doing this sort of thing out of pure depravity is ... just plain senseless. By the way, did said pirates ever kill anyone?
Aaaanyhoot, thanks for elucidating this a bit more. Then I guess I was just unlucky to come across these people, eh?
Weaselior wrote:Why were you using a gallente ship if roleplaying as a member of amarr royalty I did not RP as a member of Amarr royalty, that was just a reference to their lore to point out what I am talking about by GÇ£refusing cloning technologyGÇ¥.
Morwen Lagann wrote:If you did the tutorials that started inside the Captain's Quarters when you created your character, you'd have seen it. Now that you mention it, I vaguely remember something like that. |
darmwand
Repo.
55
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:33:00 -
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Ah, also, from an RP angle, I would happily pod any Amarr (or Caldari) pilot that hangs out in my part of space, regardless of their age. Can't have that kind of people in system, it sets a bad example. Won't somebody please think of the children? darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
88
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:33:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Tippia wrote:If you want RP, remember: you are not a human; you have no GÇ£lifeGÇ¥ in the conventional meaning GÇö you are an infomorph, a digitized conciousness who has long since left behind such silly and crude antiquities as flesh. Again, is that canon?
Here is the EVE fiction portal. I'd start looking there, for RP background information. Something about cloning here. Some chronicle that might be related to capsulers, because I found it in the capsule article. (There is literally tons of articles and lore around and I rarely bother to read it, so I cannot point you to the exact location.) We're currently in the Empyrean Age which started with the clone and pod technology.
We also have a forum section dedicated to fiction: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=259
And chronicles are here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Portal:EVE_Chronicles
If you want to RP without clone tech, you should biomass the character. Simple as that. It's been your decision from the start. But don't blame the game or the pirates for it. You've been bold to go into low sec and pirates did deliver.
Without a clone you can probably forget to ever enter a wormhole or low sec. Technically you can save your pod in low sec, but there is no guarantee that you'll manage to. Even in high-sec it is possible to lose your pod in a wardec or by a suicide pirate, especially when you fly paper thin ships in the beginning.
Edit: As expected, Tippia beat me to it. But I collected links from all over the place. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
78
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:34:00 -
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can't decide if OP is a troll
in any case, there is a big freindly warning when you jump into lowsec. next time, you should consider reading it
everything in lowsec is a target, and everyone in local wants to kill you just because you're there. that's a good standpoint to start from.
if you don't like / can't handle that, don't go to lowsec. pretty simple really.
and.. roleplaying as an amarr who doesn't use cloning? seriously? then maybe you shouldn't be derping around pirate space carelessly.
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N'baro Dark
14
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:37:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:II would agree if not for the fact that I am ... or at least was roleplaying as a dumbass who, similarly to other dumbasses, refuses to use cloning technology. (
Fixed for you.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1794
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:42:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Why are there malicious people like that? Because every good story has a bad guy. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
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