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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3614
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:36:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote: Consider me unsubbed.
this day just keeps getting better and better |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:37:00 -
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infact, is it my imagination or does the topic of this thread pretty much mimic the current UK news story about jimmy carr? |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1099
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:37:00 -
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Roxwar wrote:After reading the actual post and seeing the screenies ect of the final fat wallet amounts, i decided to see how much 'real money' the total made comes out to roughly. Based on it costing -ú22 per 1b if bought via 60day GTC, Those magnificent goons are sitting on approx -ú7,744,000 worth of isk if bought with GTC's. Thats right, thats 7.75 MILLION POUNDS worth of internet spaceship money. or approx 11.6 million dollars . However you look at this, be that for or against, you have to admit, only in EVE can something like this happen, and thats why i love this game. I tip my hat to all you goon geeks that came up with this scheme, bravo fine sirs, BRAVO.
do you work for ccp's economy department? |
AureoBroker
Etoilles Mortant Ltd. Solyaris Chtonium
45
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:37:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:AureoBroker wrote:Oh, and while to a certain extent this would've been awesome, it'll probably check out in CCP's books. Bans are unlikely, but you'll get everything reversed. And possibly even the LPs you'd legitimately should have. (Seriously, at CCP no one thought about market manipulation? should've been goddamn obvious) If they reverse the transactions, they break the sandbox for alot of people. Most of the Minmatar militia who had no idea what was happening, for a start. And if they only target Goons, then they have to deal with the PR nightmare of looking like they have a vendetta against a group of players. They'll reverse anything that has started in the trail of any manipulated item's demise, and that'd be it. Minerals will be probably left alone. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
251
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:37:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:OP admits that his alliance broke the EULA by exploiting.
Again.
And CCP lets them stay.
And its directly because you cant afford to ban them.
Absolutely disgusting.
Consider me unsubbed.
Don't you unsub like every other week because goons did a thing? I can swear you said the same **** for burn jita and the gallente ice interdictions. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
189
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:37:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Pisov viet wrote:Quote: I would strongly suggest, that if you want to hit T5 again. You do it before Amarr grind down the fortress. You guys are still benefiting a great deal from our work. Once they grind down all your 5'ed systems, it's probably game over for you
Confirming this. If nothing else change, minmatar will hold 56 systems after tomorrow's DT, which, once upgraded, will get them just enough to get in T5, maybe one last time before amarr starts ******* them up. This assumes that "Goon manipulation" is the reason we've held 56 systems in the first place. All the Goons are claiming to do is to have propped up the WZ control level with their invested LP. That doesnt mean that the Amarr are necessarily going to suddenly surge forward now that our "backers" are gone. They lost all their space long before this manipulation ever took place. It's not like the easy money has anything to do with why we are winning the territory war. If Goons were claiming to have rolled hundreds of plexing alts into the militia to grind system captures, that would be a different case entirely, but they're not. Also, the end of manipulation of the WZ control doesn't make Tier 5 a suddenly impossible achievement. It takes several million LP to invest every one of 56 systems to level V, this is easily earned by a handful of individual pilots investing an afternoon's worth of work. In other words, Goons are *not* the only ones capable of a coordinated pooling of LP upgrades by any means.
That is my point. you need to mass donate now to do it, before the mass donating would require more LP than people are willing to throw into it. We watched how many points you guys would hemorrhage per day. Every day since we stopped propping up Minmatar you have continued to lose points. Could you reverse this trend? Sure. Has evidence in the past shown you will, No. We think you will settle into T3 for quite some time until Amarr gets more bodies.
You gained those systems prepatch, if CCP had reset FW with the patch I think we would have never been able to do the things we did nearly as easily. Only the gross imbalance going into this patch allowed this to occur. Amarr finally will have a level playing field, or at least the opportunity to recruit and be level. No one likes bashing their head against a All 5 fortress day in an day out. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2410
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:39:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. OP admits that his alliance broke the EULA by exploiting. Again. And CCP lets them stay. And its directly because you cant afford to ban them. Absolutely disgusting. Consider me unsubbed.
Look, I don't like goonswarm either but I also don't like people who use the term "exploit" wrongly (which is basically in advance of CCP game developers / gms ruling a situation "an exploit" - The developer in question "CCP Sreegs" has come and posted he's conducting an investigation and will make his mind up after he's looked at all the facts.
Give the guy a chance for heavens sake and don't go howling "exploit exploit" before something is officially categorized an "exploit" ... only very stupid people do that.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Xenuria
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
537
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:39:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Xenuria wrote:Vile rat wrote:You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. Holy ****.. Vile rat! You actually logged in long enough to post something. Also kudos, it's not often you goons impress me but when you do it's something like this. You guys did get a head start on this and your involvement pretty much prevented me from taking any meaningful advantage of what my team and I had gleaned in a similar fashion. OH well... I recommend you guys spend some time on diablo 3 real money auction house. I am making ridiculous cash with that. It's not to late to make some quick easy cash before gold becomes a purchasable commodity and then the price of everything plummets. Un-ironically, the majority of people working with me on this are from EVE. Some of us already are. Not my cup of tea though. I believe adanthar has made 4 figures already.
Not bad, I mean the biggest payout was shortly after the RMAH went live. These people with way to much disposable income didn't seem to care much about price and just anamatronically bought out anything that had the highest dps. Which was typically something I put up that I had bought off the gold auction house.
I don't know how much I have made so far in total because anything in my paypal that I don't use right away goes to my campaign for CSM or gets turned into plex.
That Reminds me I need to make a kickstarter for that.
Will consult for ISK |
abitrubbish
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:39:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. OP admits that his alliance broke the EULA by exploiting. Again. And CCP lets them stay. And its directly because you cant afford to ban them. Absolutely disgusting. Consider me unsubbed.
Can't believe it took so many pages.
Oh, bye. |
blackpatch
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:40:00 -
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:ccp: |
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Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
251
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:41:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:41:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:
Consider me unsubbed.
Why don't you actually unsub so that we don't have to pretend you are? |
Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
100
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:42:00 -
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THIS LEGITIMATE USE OF GAME MECHANICS VEXES ME GREATLY |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
106
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:42:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:You guys need to leave Goons alone! The real enemy is Microsoft Excel spreadsheets. Don't hate the player, hate the game. googledocs :colbert: Apologies. I thought Microsoft Excel came out before Google Docs did. Anyways, down with rectangles with numbers in them!! |
Kitty Vintner
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:42:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:CCP should correct this by undoing this whole scam and blatant abuse.
CCP Sreegs is on the right track. Hey didn't I see you in that drake gang going through 319 last night.
Sorry about killing your only scout and tackle frig, man. |
Boris Lachenkov
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
40
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:43:00 -
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1. Players consider way to use in game mechanics to recieve ISKies for their toonies. 2. They figure out formulas for the ISK value of items and their respective LP costs. 3. Players use market manipulation (Something continually done in Jita and beyond) to inflate items. 4. Make a ton of ISK through use of in game mechanics vetted by Dev team. 5. Suddenly an exploit. 6. People cry.
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1099
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:43:00 -
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does this mean jade will get neg-walleted/banned too?? |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1099
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:44:00 -
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i mean, if sreegs finds the jewbal in unfortunate error of breaking the rules/using an exploit and doing so with the express intent of making money, one might say that jade did the same thing (although to a lesser degree) when he found the twitter message some two days ago. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
251
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:44:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Courthouse wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:You guys need to leave Goons alone! The real enemy is Microsoft Excel spreadsheets. Don't hate the player, hate the game. googledocs :colbert: Apologies. I thought Microsoft Excel came out before Google Docs did. Anyways, down with rectangles with numbers in them!! It's alright man. You were just behind the times. You can't publish excel spreadsheets as easily as googledocs spreadsheets. That's why no one uses excel anymore.
Courthouse: A helpful goon |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
811
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:45:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:OP admits that his alliance broke the EULA by exploiting.
Again.
And CCP lets them stay.
And its directly because you cant afford to ban them.
Absolutely disgusting.
Consider me unsubbed.
Don't you unsub like every other week because goons did a thing? I can swear you said the same **** for burn jita and the gallente ice interdictions. He bought a 10 year sub and has to wait for it to run out. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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Roxwar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
77
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:46:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Roxwar wrote:After reading the actual post and seeing the screenies ect of the final fat wallet amounts, i decided to see how much 'real money' the total made comes out to roughly. Based on it costing -ú22 per 1b if bought via 60day GTC, Those magnificent goons are sitting on approx -ú7,744,000 worth of isk if bought with GTC's. Thats right, thats 7.75 MILLION POUNDS worth of internet spaceship money. or approx 11.6 million dollars . However you look at this, be that for or against, you have to admit, only in EVE can something like this happen, and thats why i love this game. I tip my hat to all you goon geeks that came up with this scheme, bravo fine sirs, BRAVO. do you work for ccp's economy department?
i know i know, i fixted it already!! http://roxwar.blogspot.com/ |
Maggie Maggie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:46:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:It's alright man. You were just behind the times. You can't publish excel spreadsheets as easily as googledocs spreadsheets. That's why no one uses excel anymore.
Courthouse: A helpful goon
On the other hand, it's harder to accidentally tweet about an excel spreadsheet. |
Sephira Galamore
Nemesis Holdings Corp Luna Sanguinem
21
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:49:00 -
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I salute you! Brilliant deed, brilliant read :D |
Montolio
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
146
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:49:00 -
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Disgraceful! Unsubbed. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2410
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:50:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:i mean, if sreegs finds the jewbal in unfortunate error of breaking the rules/using an exploit and doing so with the express intent of making money, one might say that jade did the same thing (although to a lesser degree) when he found the twitter message some two days ago.
Well hardly. Seeing as how the tweet in question was directed at CCP through Punkuris in the early hours of Wed Morning and I (like many other Minmatar Militia pilots) made our cash out on Sat the weekend before.
Stil, IF - there was some super harsh rollback on this stuff you could argue that ALL militia store cashouts should be reverted and if that happens I'd lose my lovely fleet stabber blueprint collection, my fleet tempest bpcs, and a bunch of minmatar starship engineeering datacores that are sat in Dal.
Lord knows how they'd do that though - would be one of the biggest rollbacks since the Exodus fleet fight fiasco.
Still your logic fails "Blawrf" on the fact I made my money before I found the tweet :)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
251
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:50:00 -
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Montolio wrote:Disgraceful! Unsubbed. Can I have your stuff? |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1100
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:51:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:i mean, if sreegs finds the jewbal in unfortunate error of breaking the rules/using an exploit and doing so with the express intent of making money, one might say that jade did the same thing (although to a lesser degree) when he found the twitter message some two days ago. Well hardly. Seeing as how the tweet in question was directed at CCP through Punkuris in the early hours of Wed Morning and I (like many other Minmatar Militia pilots) made our cash out on Sat the weekend before. Stil, IF - there was some super harsh rollback on this stuff you could argue that ALL militia store cashouts should be reverted and if that happens I'd lose my lovely fleet stabber blueprint collection, my fleet tempest bpcs, and a bunch of minmatar starship engineeering datacores that are sat in Dal. Lord knows how they'd do that though - would be one of the biggest rollbacks since the Exodus fleet fight fiasco. Still your logic fails "Blawrf" on the fact I made my money before I found the tweet :)
i'm sure sreegs will decide himself "Jade" :-) |
Pyrus Octavius
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
24
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:53:00 -
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I hate to say this, but I feel really stupid. Never in a million years would I have figured out something like this. Obviously, not all men are created equally (and I use men loosely because most of you grown ups still act like children).
My personal feeling regardless is, any gains made in this fashion should be confiscated. I don't think I care about bans, but the gains be taken away. I'm not a market guru what so ever, and even though someone said in here that the market would return to normal in 30 days, the whole system was manipulated, and this hurts innocent bystanders, whom will never get their ISK back.
It's stuff like this that also has just made me not enjoy playing EVE too much. Log in check toon, say hi, change skill, log. That's my routine. Hoping that someday things will get to a better state where I feel the time I invest in sitting in front of my computer will be rewarding. Until then... |
Skye Aurorae
Viziam Amarr Empire
244
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:53:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Derus Grobb wrote:Is this an exploit? It doesn't seem like the game should work this way. We'd argue no. It was all within game mechanics - no ferrogel dupes. But as always, the final verdict is in CCP's hands. And to be fair, we are obviously biased.
Just because you're biased doesn't mean your wrong.
Lots of parents naturally think their kids are exceptional , that bias, but, some of them are in fact exceptional. Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21 - oh well.
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
391
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:54:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Courthouse wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:OP admits that his alliance broke the EULA by exploiting.
Again.
And CCP lets them stay.
And its directly because you cant afford to ban them.
Absolutely disgusting.
Consider me unsubbed.
Don't you unsub like every other week because goons did a thing? I can swear you said the same **** for burn jita and the gallente ice interdictions. He bought a 10 year sub and has to wait for it to run out.
Hmmm With all the ISK that goonies have made could they say they quit as well and keep playing for then next 10 years. Oh wait can you chain in multiple plex's and how many can you do ? Hmm makes you wonder.
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