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Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:26:00 -
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Clever, in discovering the exploit.
Not so clever, in actually using the exploit in game, esp. with deliberate intent to ruin aspects of the game for other players, and requiring CCP to expend resources to undo the damage.
You are not the first players in the game to discover an exploit in the game, and you will certainly not be the last. There are always going to be design flaws and bugs in a system as complex as Eve has become. As responsible players, under the EULA, you are required to report such issues, not attempt to use them.
And, if your intent is simply to prove that an exploit will actually work, keep in mind that this is still a violation of the EULA and not too smart - just as attempting to prove in a Las Vegas casino that a sleight-of-hand trick will allow you cheat at cards isn't all that clever or smart.
If this had ended at discovering and reporting the exploit, you would deserve praise. By using the exploit, you have lowered yourself to being cheats, and it is rather sad that you actually feel good bragging about it.
I'd be rather surprised if CCP allows this to stand, unpunished. It would simply encourage more players to search for and use future exploits, some of which may have even more severe consequences and will certainly cost CCP resources, time and money to repair. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3620
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:26:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Jones Bones wrote:Wait, why would they roll anything back? 5T is a drop in the bucket of the EVE economy. Lotta herpa derp in here. Because if they don't it will cost them real world money. The same people that are quoting how many subs the goons have can't do the same math? Its an error in the six figure range of real cash. dear cipher jones, noted expert on math
ccp does not allow you to pay for subscriptions in isk
it allows you to pay someone else isk to pay for your subscription in real money
hope this has been helpful
your buddy weaselior |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
200
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:27:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Dramaticus wrote:Haifisch Zahne wrote:CCP's resident economist should be fired. Period. Done. Along with quite a few others at CCP.
After the CCP Community Censorship Protocol ("CCCP") was enacted, I obviously can't say exactly what I think of whom. (And, I don't mean of the Goons.) CCP's economist isn't dumb, he just doesn't understand EVE. Didn't he win a nobel or something like that for his work prior to coming to CCP? He is one of the best economists in the world, but he is still part of the real world, and I am pretty sure doesn't play EVE. Certainly not at the level that people who engage in market manipulation do.
One of the things i have said in gs_isk jabber and elsewhere is this.
Dr. E is probably a great economist. He doesn't know EVE. He cannot apply his knowledge to EVE unless he knows the game mechanics. Learning every mechanic in EVE is a task that could take years. Players have this knowledge already. So the guy is behind the curve not because he isn't smart, but because he doesn't know EVE as well as we do. |
Kyle Ward
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:28:00 -
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Sweet baby jesus can anyone see through this circle jerk? Postin with my main |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
258
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:30:00 -
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MaCoola wrote:First, I hate Goons. I always will probably and I really think they are ruining the game. But, I have to say I am honestly impressed at the depth you went and the meta-gaming you did on this. I liked Jita Burn and this, is just wow. Those involved have really worked hard and used a high degree of intelligence to do what you did. Truly impressive and while I despise you I will admit what you did was pretty cool and ingenuitive. Now, Back to hating.
Are you not entertained? |
Pyrus Octavius
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
26
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:30:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Pyrus Octavius wrote:I hate to say this, but I feel really stupid. Never in a million years would I have figured out something like this. Obviously, not all men are created equally (and I use men loosely because most of you grown ups still act like children).
My personal feeling regardless is, any gains made in this fashion should be confiscated. I don't think I care about bans, but the gains be taken away. I'm not a market guru what so ever, and even though someone said in here that the market would return to normal in 30 days, the whole system was manipulated, and this hurts innocent bystanders, whom will never get their ISK back.
It's stuff like this that also has just made me not enjoy playing EVE too much. Log in check toon, say hi, change skill, log. That's my routine. Hoping that someday things will get to a better state where I feel the time I invest in sitting in front of my computer will be rewarding. Until then... So.... You are mad because you didn't think of it first, and so you think everyone who profited should lose their stuff. Sounds fair to me At least you were halfway honest about it tho No Bro, I'm not mad. I think you may need to go back to 3rd grade though, and learn how to extract tone out of piece of literature so you can once and for all learn to analyze the writers feelings, because you my friend fail at this.
You may roll your eyes, and that's fine with me, but this is my opinion, and if you don't like it, then you can move on to the next post in this epic thread. What basically occurred here was an exploit in a currency exchange. I don't know of any real world examples of such of a thing, but I would think that regulators would take note of it and take action. Even sue for restitution. Shouldn't that occur in a simulated economy where CCP is basically the Central Bank? |
Agent Type
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:30:00 -
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Good god. I am glad to hear CCP is doing some of investigation into the matter.. while I think it is great that players are able to use their intelligence and dedication to make huge amounts of ISK I would hate to see any issues cropping up in EVE online due to that amount of ISK being created in such a short period of time.
As a newer player and fellow member of FW I do find something like this a little disconcerting. I traded my first two months of the game to make some billions of ISK. It was a lot of work, took me time finding items, shipping, updating, etc. I was happy to do it as I felt I was making a large amount more money then an average player, while not investing a ton of time into the game (compared to if I were doing missions). Knowing that another group was printing trillions of ISK while I slaved to make my billions is rather annoying.
That said, someone said it in one of the posts on the first page... things like this really show that some people are playing this game on an entirely different level. For that, well done! |
Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:31:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Jones Bones wrote:Wait, why would they roll anything back? 5T is a drop in the bucket of the EVE economy. Lotta herpa derp in here. Because if they don't it will cost them real world money. The same people that are quoting how many subs the goons have can't do the same math? Its an error in the six figure range of real cash. dear cipher jones, noted expert on math ccp does not allow you to pay for subscriptions in isk it allows you to pay someone else isk to pay for your subscription in real money hope this has been helpful your buddy weaselior
WEASOLIAR! |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
427
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:32:00 -
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Agent Type wrote:Good god. I am glad to hear CCP is doing some of investigation into the matter.. while I think it is great that players are able to use their intelligence and dedication to make huge amounts of ISK I would hate to see any issues cropping up in EVE online due to that amount of ISK being created in such a short period of time. Ratting, bounties, incursion rewards and mission rewards inject dozens or hundreds of billions of isk per day into Eve.
I'm just sayin'. |
Jennam Musana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:33:00 -
[370] - Quote
Hastily made changes to the game code to plug the exploit might cause CONCORD to relocate themselves to Goonswarm space until the conveniently destructive mistake, after a thorough investigation to the erratically behaving aforementioned installment, in the program code is found and returned to the previous state *suspicious glances*. |
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Maggie Maggie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:33:00 -
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Agent Type wrote:Good god. I am glad to hear CCP is doing some of investigation into the matter.. while I think it is great that players are able to use their intelligence and dedication to make huge amounts of ISK I would hate to see any issues cropping up in EVE online due to that amount of ISK being created in such a short period of time.
No ISK was created. Keep that in mind. |
Kirtar Makanen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:33:00 -
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Agent Type wrote:Good god. I am glad to hear CCP is doing some of investigation into the matter.. while I think it is great that players are able to use their intelligence and dedication to make huge amounts of ISK I would hate to see any issues cropping up in EVE online due to that amount of ISK being created in such a short period of time.
Someone didn't read very much. ISK was actually sunk when buying items from LP stores. Gains were made by selling items to players (no net generation of ISK) which even incurs sales tax/broker fees (sink) |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
200
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:33:00 -
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MaCoola wrote:First, I hate Goons. I always will probably and I really think they are ruining the game. But, I have to say I am honestly impressed at the depth you went and the meta-gaming you did on this. I liked Jita Burn and this, is just wow. Those involved have really worked hard and used a high degree of intelligence to do what you did. Truly impressive and while I despise you I will admit what you did was pretty cool and ingenuitive. Now, Back to hating.
We deliver content!
Seriously though. I think anyone that really looks at the history of Goondom will notice we are force for change in EVE. This has almost always been good changes. The ways in which we go about highlighting game mechanics that should change may indeed be quite dramatic and colorful and attention grabbing. But the end goal is what matters.
We have long since lost count of how many nerfs we have eaten when crashing some various EVE party's. |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
43
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:33:00 -
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What's that, no links? Didn't think so. Rabble Rabble!! |
Hustomte
The Scope Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:34:00 -
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Pandemic Legion may be the PVP god's of Eve, but Goon Swarm are the Market PVP god's of Eve representing Gëí-àGëí ߦ+ߦ¦ß¦+ߦ¦ß¦¦ß¦¦ in Ghana +¬(GùŦ«¦«¦âGÇó¦â)¦¦ |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1116
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:34:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Aryth wrote:This also meant that we could cash out our hundreds of billions of ISK worth of minerals at prices far higher than on the market. For example, we cashed out Megacyte at 3300, Zydrine 1400, Nocxium at 900. So some of the very largest stockpiles of pre-drone nerf minerals no longer exists. Tying back into the mineral manipulation we have been engaging in. The test quickly became even bigger than anticipated because upon release, FW turned out to have a bug that rewarded LP for both dropped and exploded cargo, doubling the rewards. So we went to work, sending hundreds of billions of ISK worth of highend minerals to Yulai to be blown up. Why Yulai? Anyone enlisted in faction warfare gets shot at by faction police of the opposing factions. Yulai and its entire constellation are owned by CONCORD, which is neutral territory. Thus, both FW alts could move through peacefully. Also, Yulai has an GÇ£Inner CircleGÇ¥ station, which was just plain funny. How fitting that Yulai, once the most important system in Eve, finally becomes relevant again. Yulai, you say? Interesting.I'll have to go visit some time.
Step 1: Don't have either character's kill-log API on eve-kill Step 2: eh |
Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:34:00 -
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Hustomte wrote:Pandemic Legion may be the PVP god's of Eve, but Goon Swarm are the Market PVP god's of Eve
Once we post the killmails we'll be the undisputed isk destroying Gods of eve |
AureoBroker
Etoilles Mortant Ltd. Solyaris Chtonium
45
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:35:00 -
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Dear CCP: Next time you do this, phone up Akita T and VV. Or better, hire them as economists. thanks. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
241
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:35:00 -
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Many of us FW vets tried to warn CCP that this sort of war zone control set up and LP payout leaves FW wide open to be manipulated and farmed by out side groups to make billions of ISK while not taking part in FW as a whole.
I pretty much figured Goons would be the ones to do it, but I must admit you guys impressed me with thinking out side the box and doing it in a much more intelligent way than I expected. Props for finding a whole in the systems that it appears no one else noticed..
I just assumed you guys would send hundreds of farmer alts to farm LP the hard way and flip the war zone control to allow massive amounts of LP farming. That however leaves the profits in the hands of anyone that wasn't at the right place & right time.
The way you guys did it was pretty smart keeping the bulk of the long term profits to yourselves aside from guys whom happened to be around at the right time.. (luckily I was online when you guys did your final dump and I cashed out the LP's I had stashed away for a rainy day at tier V)
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Uyeiu
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:35:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:stuff i don't care about, except for Simetraz's sig Leonard Cohen's "Everybody Knows" is so perfect for EVE (at least the first few verses). I never thought about it before. It also makes a good "goons control eve" song (and also does well when interpreted as an ironic commentary on tinfoilism). |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3620
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:36:00 -
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AureoBroker wrote:Dear CCP: Next time you do this, phone up Akita T and VV. Or better, hire them as economists. thanks. yeah i could use some more holes to jump through like this one
definitely hire vv |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
205
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:37:00 -
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Agent Type wrote:Good god. I am glad to hear CCP is doing some of investigation into the matter.. while I think it is great that players are able to use their intelligence and dedication to make huge amounts of ISK I would hate to see any issues cropping up in EVE online due to that amount of ISK being created in such a short period of time.
As a newer player and fellow member of FW I do find something like this a little disconcerting. I traded my first two months of the game to make some billions of ISK. It was a lot of work, took me time finding items, shipping, updating, etc. I was happy to do it as I felt I was making a large amount more money then an average player, while not investing a ton of time into the game (compared to if I were doing missions). Knowing that another group was printing trillions of ISK while I slaved to make my billions is rather annoying.
That said, someone said it in one of the posts on the first page... things like this really show that some people are playing this game on an entirely different level. For that, well done!
Edit: As a member of Fweddit (FW) I completely noticed the upgrading of systems. Woke up one morning to see all of our systems in V and though "Who the hell would waste 2 mill LP on that?". I am quite excited to be able to do FW without you boosting the Minmatar faction.. should be fun! They went down to T3 for the first time since I had joined FW.
You are not understanding the mechanics. No ISK was created. Wealth was transferred. There is a rather large distinction. If we had been printing ISK by selling to NPC buy orders, yes, that would have been truly gamebreaking. This was an ISK sink due to LP store costs. |
Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:37:00 -
[383] - Quote
AureoBroker wrote:Dear CCP: Next time you do this, phone up Akita T and VV. Or better, hire them as economists. thanks.
Hokey charts and :words: are no match for a good Goon at your side, kid. |
Pyrus Octavius
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
26
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:37:00 -
[384] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:Many of us FW vets tried to warn CCP that this sort of war zone control set up and LP payout left FW wide open to be manipulated and farmed by out side groups to make billions of ISK while not taking part in FW as a whole.
I pretty much figured Goons would be the ones to do it, but I must admit you guys impressed me with thinking out side the box and doing it in a much more intelligent way than I expected. Props for finding a whole in the systems that it appears no one else noticed..
I just assumed you guys would send hundreds of farmer alts to farm LP the hard way and flip the war zone control to allow massive amounts of LP farming. That however leaves the profits in the hands of anyone that wasn't at the right place & right time.
The way you guys did it was pretty smart keeping the bulk of the long term profits to yourselves aside from guys whom happened to be around at the right time.. (luckily I was online when you guys did your final dump and I cashed out the LP's I had stashed away for a rainy day at tier V)
Um, I believe the correct spelling is, "hole". Which mean's something completely different than, "whole". Just sayin. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1116
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:39:00 -
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AureoBroker wrote:Dear CCP: Next time you do this, phone up Aryth. Or better, hire him as an economist. thanks.
ftfy eh |
Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
15
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:40:00 -
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I think this is a nice moment to have a nice laugh at the haters and to give a really slow clap to Aryth & crew. You magnificent bastards. |
Serptimis
The Fiction Factory Blue Nation
15
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:40:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Agent Type wrote:Good god. I am glad to hear CCP is doing some of investigation into the matter.. while I think it is great that players are able to use their intelligence and dedication to make huge amounts of ISK I would hate to see any issues cropping up in EVE online due to that amount of ISK being created in such a short period of time.
As a newer player and fellow member of FW I do find something like this a little disconcerting. I traded my first two months of the game to make some billions of ISK. It was a lot of work, took me time finding items, shipping, updating, etc. I was happy to do it as I felt I was making a large amount more money then an average player, while not investing a ton of time into the game (compared to if I were doing missions). Knowing that another group was printing trillions of ISK while I slaved to make my billions is rather annoying.
That said, someone said it in one of the posts on the first page... things like this really show that some people are playing this game on an entirely different level. For that, well done!
Edit: As a member of Fweddit (FW) I completely noticed the upgrading of systems. Woke up one morning to see all of our systems in V and though "Who the hell would waste 2 mill LP on that?". I am quite excited to be able to do FW without you boosting the Minmatar faction.. should be fun! They went down to T3 for the first time since I had joined FW. You are not understanding the mechanics. No ISK was created. Wealth was transferred. There is a rather large distinction. If we had been printing ISK by selling to NPC buy orders, yes, that would have been truly gamebreaking. This was an ISK sink due to LP store costs. True, but you walked away 5T richer and made me realise the fact that no matter how long i play this game, compared to some, i'll always be an unknowlegdeable noob |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
368
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:40:00 -
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Aryth wrote:This was an ISK sink due to LP store costs. You've done EVE a service. Thank you. Nothing Found |
Heinrich Rotwang
State Protectorate Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:42:00 -
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Once more the whole get-it-in-the-ass-and-still-ask-for-more Eve Community got pnwed by the incredible Goons. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
260
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:42:00 -
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Jennam Musana wrote:Hastily made changes to the game code to plug the exploit might cause CONCORD to relocate themselves to Goonswarm space until the conveniently destructive mistake, after a thorough investigation to the erratically behaving aforementioned installment, in the program code is found and returned to the previous state *suspicious glances*.
Like that mattered all weekend long in Jita. |
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