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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:55:00 -
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Amarr Ian wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Amarr Ian wrote:It doesn't matter how much isk he has. Its the fact of the massive post for an epic fail. Tell us more about this ... "epic fail". Just re-read the first post in this thread I'm not understanding what the "epic fail" is there. Please elucidate. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2488
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:56:00 -
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Well best GM reply I could find.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=889308#post889308
Quote:GM Lelouch wrote:
Hello there,
To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.
Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).
An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!
Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.
I hope this clears up this matter.
Best regards, Senior GM Lelouch EVE Online Customer Support
Its not really a perfect judgement because obviously automating a mouse click followed by a "enter" is not really complex - but it is automating a process that would not require you to be at your keyboard for 14 hours.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
16
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:57:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Mabego Tetrimon wrote:Vokanicq wrote: In fact a macro would need a delay programmed into it, otherwise half your clicks, and half your 'enter's would miss their intended place in the process. It simply removes the risk of RSI in that case
i dont care if it takes away risk or take even more time to use a macro to aquire that kind of items from the LP Store. Its irrelevant. Whats relevant is, that using the macro for that breaks the Eula. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=76689 And Goons complain of AFK mining. I mean really, are you playing the game? |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:58:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Aryth wrote:Nikodiemus wrote:The Goons were not really the first to think of this... It was a pretty obvious exploit for people that trade or deal with the market a lot. Thing is, manipulating game mechanics is different than manipulating the market and is bad mmkay? Ruins the games longevity. Props for actually taking the initiative and doing the work to pull it off though. Hope CCP remedies your gains though.
I would love CCP Dr. EyjoG to do a write up on this at some point.... or just hear his comments during the next fanfest. ^.^ We were the only ones to report it from what we can tell. So I think that bears remembering. You did not report the other pseudo-exploit that can still be done as I write... I found out about it yesterday about 1 hour before this thread was posted. I suppose CCP's code has multiple vulnerabilities...
We have reported several variations. There are indeed multiple ways to take advantage of this. I can only assume CCP will redo some of the mechanics to catch all variations. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
475
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:58:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote: So your argument is dead then? Were you just ~*tHe PuPpEtMaStAh*~ the whole time?
Nope still valid IME, I've answered the questions, if you don't understand the simple premise, or more likely don't have the same view point, then nothing I will say will change that.
Lets agree to disagree.
Tal |
Lord Zim
903
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:58:00 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:so? Where is the Dev post that says: "Using Macro to acquire large stacks of items you otherwise need 14 hours of clicking for is allowed?" I guess you didn't scroll down and read the quote, then, because it outlines precisely what is and isn't allowed? |
Lord Zim
903
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:59:00 -
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Amarr Ian wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Amarr Ian wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Amarr Ian wrote:It doesn't matter how much isk he has. Its the fact of the massive post for an epic fail. Tell us more about this ... "epic fail". Just re-read the first post in this thread I'm not understanding what the "epic fail" is there. Please elucidate. What's there to explain? How about "what the ... 'epic fail' is"? |
Gul'gotha Derv'ash
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC. Li3 Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:01:00 -
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I hope there are some actual repercussions for the massive abuse of in game systems. This is just ridiculous. |
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
7
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:04:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Mabego Tetrimon wrote:so? Where is the Dev post that says: "Using Macro to acquire large stacks of items you otherwise need 14 hours of clicking for is allowed?" I guess you didn't scroll down and read the quote, then, because it outlines precisely what is and isn't allowed?
You mean the GM saying:
"If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed,"
fits perfectly here: guy uses a macro for not sitting at his keyboard clicking for 14 hours....
thanks Sir |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
466
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:07:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Amarr Ian wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Amarr Ian wrote:It doesn't matter how much isk he has. Its the fact of the massive post for an epic fail. Tell us more about this ... "epic fail". Just re-read the first post in this thread I'm not understanding what the "epic fail" is there. Please elucidate.
See... a Goon posted, therefore. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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Vokanic
Nemitronix Inc
14
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:07:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1517044#post1517044
Macros that slow down acquisition are within the rules. Also goons saying they use macros isn't exactly proof.. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:07:00 -
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Alain Kinsella wrote:Thank you for a couple hours of interesting reading. corestwo had been acting even slyer than usual in -lounge so I figured something was still up. :-)
I'm not going to weigh in on either side. I made it very clear a while back that I've had my experience with SA back in SL, and the rest of y'all can duke it out this time. :-p
I *am* waiting to see what Screegs will say though. *That* will be a popcorn moment for sure, forget this here.
I constantly troll him for hanging in that terrible channel. However, it's been pretty funny at times getting the running commentary when we go after one of the scc residents and get live feedback in there. So I guess him hanging there brings some value. |
Lord Zim
903
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:08:00 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:You mean the GM saying:
"If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed,"
fits perfectly here: guy uses a macro for not sitting at his keyboard clicking for 14 hours....
thanks Sir Oh, so you're assuming he presses a single key and the keyboard just keeps looping through a purchasing loop, so they could leave the machine for 14 hours?
That explains a lot. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
466
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:10:00 -
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Amarr Ian wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Amarr Ian wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Amarr Ian wrote:It doesn't matter how much isk he has. Its the fact of the massive post for an epic fail. Tell us more about this ... "epic fail". Just re-read the first post in this thread I'm not understanding what the "epic fail" is there. Please elucidate. What's there to explain?
I wish I could report people for using "epic fail". Oh well, I guess I'll just have to settle for trolling, contentless posts, going off topic and inciting others to go offtopic as well. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
466
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:11:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Mabego Tetrimon wrote:You mean the GM saying:
"If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed,"
fits perfectly here: guy uses a macro for not sitting at his keyboard clicking for 14 hours....
thanks Sir Oh, so you're assuming he presses a single key and the keyboard just keeps looping through a purchasing loop, so they could leave the machine for 14 hours? That explains a lot.
You know what happens when someone assumes. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1161
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:11:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:I wish I could report people for using "epic fail". Oh well, I guess I'll just have to settle for trolling, contentless posts, going off topic and inciting others to go offtopic as well.
deadtear for eve-o mod
(oh god no) a rogue goon |
Lord Zim
903
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:12:00 -
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oh god yes |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1161
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:13:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:oh god yes
shift key 3d r/o a rogue goon |
Dark Assassin15
Failed Diplomacy
54
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:15:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
Can i get the goons QQ mails when you fix the bank, plxandthnkx [img]http://www.invokemethod.com/repo/failedsig.png[/img] |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1161
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:17:00 -
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Dark Assassin15 wrote:Can i get the goons QQ mails when you fix the bank, plxandthnkx
they'd just have to placate themselves with the gigantic amounts of ISK they already had a rogue goon |
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Lord Zim
903
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:18:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Lord Zim wrote:oh god yes shift key 3d r/o :smith: |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
466
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:19:00 -
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Dark Assassin15 wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Can i get the goons QQ mails when you fix the bank, plxandthnkx
These forums deserve a higher class of troll. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Harbonah
A-OK Logistics and Fabrication StoneGuard Alliance
21
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:21:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
Public threats without public execution is shameful. I want to see the equivilant of the goon's being put in the stocks on public display so I can throw rotten fruit at them. I'd like to see a Concord wanted page added to main page. This page should have the names of EVE Criminals, how much they duped/exploited in ISK and their punishment on public display. Sort of like the criminal photos you see in your hometown newspaper. It would be fitting since they like to rub CCP's mistakes in their face.
On another note: Kudos to the genius that thought this plan up. Requires planning on a scale not typically used outside corporate or military circles. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
466
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:21:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Dark Assassin15 wrote:Can i get the goons QQ mails when you fix the bank, plxandthnkx they'd just have to placate themselves with the gigantic amounts of ISK they already had
Instead of swimming in their pile of isk the size of Mt. Everest they'll just have to settle for the Matterhorn. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:24:00 -
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My eve guy literally swims in a Scrooge McDuck style vault of isk |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3708
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:25:00 -
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while we're on the subject: ccp please make it an option to buy multiples of a lp item
datacores will be artificially high forever just due to the hours of click-enterclick-enter you need to do |
Ford Hakata
Hakata Group
0
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:26:00 -
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Holy batsh*t, sell everything, Alfred! |
Amarr Ian
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:31:00 -
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How about you tell me how this didn't fail. I'm not saying that it wasn't a good idea, but what did happen, is that they broadcast-ed what they were doing, (while bragging their a**** off) and lost all the hard? earned ISK.
Now please tell me how this wasn't a fail.
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Gun Gal
Dark Club
12
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:32:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:Gun Gal wrote:I remember when a whole guild was banned in UO for abusing game mechanics. SHOULD happen here as well. . See, that's the problem here. You played Ultima Online. Now we're talking 5 people and you are trying to encourage CCP to ban 4000+ accounts because of those 5? That's 60K smacks per month they'd lose. Good thing they don't listen to morons like you.
Uo was arguably the best sandbox game ever until it was broken up into pieces. If you never experienced it, too bad for you.
So, in your reasoning, only 5 people were to blame for **** Germany, and everyone else was just along for the ride?
and so what? Loosing 4k asshats bent on abusing the game would most likely bring in 20000 more subscriptions. There is a difference between being competitive and what the goons are doing. Short term pain long game. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1370
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:35:00 -
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Gun Gal wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:Gun Gal wrote:I remember when a whole guild was banned in UO for abusing game mechanics. SHOULD happen here as well. . See, that's the problem here. You played Ultima Online. Now we're talking 5 people and you are trying to encourage CCP to ban 4000+ accounts because of those 5? That's 60K smacks per month they'd lose. Good thing they don't listen to morons like you. Uo was arguably the best sandbox game ever until it was broken up into pieces. If you never experienced it, too bad for you. So, in your reasoning, only 5 people were to blame for **** Germany, and everyone else was just along for the ride? and so what? Loosing 4k asshats bent on abusing the game would most likely bring in 20000 more subscriptions. There is a difference between being competitive and what the goons are doing. Short term pain long game.
No you misunderstand. Only 5 or so people in the game even knew about this while they were working up their proof of concept. This wasn't sponsored by goonswarm, it was just accomplished by a few guys doing their own thing in goonswarm. |
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