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Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
108
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:34:00 -
[1591] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Welcome to EVE Online. The universe is Sreegs'.
way to toss Sreegs under the bus boy. good luck kids enjoy your break from eve |
Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
32
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:34:00 -
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Aryth wrote:It's more than that. To justify seizing everything, and even assets unreleated to FW, they have to be saying, using their own game mechanics, and the design they were repeatedly told was bad, is an exploit. That is what is so chilling about it.
This isn't the CCP of 2 years ago. Sonyfied CCP is not the CCP we know and love. They are something different now. It wasn't until it hit PCGamer they took actoin.
Of course you would say they are taking things that were obtained honestly. Not that you have to show any evidence right? I mean really, we took your word for it when you posted about the theft right? Oh wai.... |
Ghost Xray
Hedion University Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:34:00 -
[1593] - Quote
Goon tears are the best tears.
Or
EvE isn't supposed to be fair.
Or
HTFU
Oh, you guys got plenty of short quips that you use on the rest of the community when they "whine". Use some of them to cheer yourselves up. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
831
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:34:00 -
[1594] - Quote
Lord Ryan wrote:Disclaimer. Assuming any of what has been reported is true! If its not, they are trolling each other as well, because its being reported in internal comms. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Vincent Athen
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:35:00 -
[1595] - Quote
Sizeof Void wrote:Aryth wrote:The major point being. There is no incentive to report anything to CCP. You are far better off trying to get away with it quietly. Uh, no. And, just for the record, suggesting that players engage in this sort of behavior is a much more serious EULA violation - one which can get you slapped with a ban, not just a negative wallet. No matter how upset you might be, don't go there, Aryth. Except that he's not doing that. |
Cutter Isaacson
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
532
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:35:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I'm curious, are you actually angry that some people, who took it upon themselves to knowingly abuse a broken game mechanic to throw a massive section of the market as well as faction warfare in to complete disarray in order to profit personally to the tune of hundreds of billions, now have the threat of rightful retribution hanging over their heads? there is literally nothing wrong with doing what you detailed there are other things involved here How can knowingly abusing a game mechanic you KNOW is broken, be OK? we can, for example, use our massive amount of tech ISK (tech being a broken mechanic) to do exactly what you said
Again, this does not make it right, which was my point in the first place. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
354
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:35:00 -
[1597] - Quote
Sizeof Void wrote:Aryth wrote:The major point being. There is no incentive to report anything to CCP. You are far better off trying to get away with it quietly. Uh, no. And, just for the record, suggesting that players engage in this sort of behavior is a much more serious EULA violation - one which can get you slapped with a ban, not just a negative wallet. No matter how upset you might be, don't go there, Aryth.
By me suggesting people are far better off trying to game the system quietly than overtly? There were no exploits here as far as I am concerned. CCP romping around siezing assets not even related to this clearly shows they feel differently. Playing the game to the limits of their design is now officially an exploit. This is bigger than this specific case. This is not the CCP of old. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
196
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:36:00 -
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Domer Pyle wrote:this thread is chock full of goon tears. i am amused.
but, yeah, it seems that the goons went above and beyond helping ccp fix a bug, hence why they're taking the stuff you got from it, lol. makes sense to me.
they didn't help them fix the bug. they helped their wallets with the bug until ccp fixed it. there is a difference.
and yeah, the goon crying/feet stomping threadnaught that is inbound is only made more delicious when held in contrast to the smug "once again we won eve" OP |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1402
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:37:00 -
[1599] - Quote
corestwo wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. You do know you can file a bug report without inflating your wallet right? If the wallet gets inflated in the process, it's logical to expect CCP will fix the whole problem. The WHOLE problem, not the whole problem minus your finders fee. Please justify CCP taking assets that were not earned through this.
CCP Sreegs posted (possible multiple times) that he'd make sure who trespassed (i.e. caught botting etc) would be beaten hard. This is possibly the "beaten hard" example. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
356
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:38:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Domer Pyle wrote:this thread is chock full of goon tears. i am amused.
but, yeah, it seems that the goons went above and beyond helping ccp fix a bug, hence why they're taking the stuff you got from it, lol. makes sense to me. they didn't help them fix the bug. they helped their wallets with the bug until ccp fixed it. there is a difference. and yeah, the goon crying/feet stomping threadnaught that is inbound is only made more delicious when held in contrast to the smug "once again we won eve" OP
On the contrary. The very fixes CCP did, were the ones we suggested. We also suggested a long term fix that took days of internal debate to figure out the best fix for. We went way out of our way to explain the issue in detail, the possible fixes, and even later on when they exposed themselves to it happening again. |
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Domer Pyle
Northwest Industries International Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera
10
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:39:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Domer Pyle wrote:this thread is chock full of goon tears. i am amused.
but, yeah, it seems that the goons went above and beyond helping ccp fix a bug, hence why they're taking the stuff you got from it, lol. makes sense to me. they didn't help them fix the bug. they helped their wallets with the bug until ccp fixed it. there is a difference. and yeah, the goon crying/feet stomping threadnaught that is inbound is only made more delicious when held in contrast to the smug "once again we won eve" OP
well...*technically* they did, if ccp was unaware of the situation, by pointing it out.did they still exploit it, however? yeah. obviously. |
Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
156
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:39:00 -
[1602] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Posting in a thread where goons helped me make 8.7b isk last saturday for 4 hours play.
(they really ruined my sandbox)
Oh damn, now you in trouble. |
blackpatch
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:39:00 -
[1603] - Quote
who cares about the sandbox we'll be walking in stations any year now |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
196
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:40:00 -
[1604] - Quote
Aryth wrote:Sizeof Void wrote:Aryth wrote:The major point being. There is no incentive to report anything to CCP. You are far better off trying to get away with it quietly. Uh, no. And, just for the record, suggesting that players engage in this sort of behavior is a much more serious EULA violation - one which can get you slapped with a ban, not just a negative wallet. No matter how upset you might be, don't go there, Aryth. By me suggesting people are far better off trying to game the system quietly than overtly? There were no exploits here as far as I am concerned. CCP romping around siezing assets not even related to this clearly shows they feel differently. Playing the game to the limits of their design is now officially an exploit. This is bigger than this specific case. This is not the CCP of old.
give it a rest.
No one sane thinks that while you giggled at your assets window and blew up freighter after freighter of your own and wrote your 15 page fit-for-Time-magazine OP you didn't know that was all going back.
if you did, wow... you seriously shot yourself in the foot with a bonehead move.
That is a type of criminal genius crossed with ineptness not seen outside of TV and movies. Your whole OP reads like when the criminal tells hero his complete plan not realizing he is buying enough time and providing enough evidence to put him away. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1139
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:41:00 -
[1605] - Quote
blackpatch wrote:who cares about the sandbox we'll be walking in stations any year now
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
196
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:41:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Domer Pyle wrote:this thread is chock full of goon tears. i am amused.
but, yeah, it seems that the goons went above and beyond helping ccp fix a bug, hence why they're taking the stuff you got from it, lol. makes sense to me. they didn't help them fix the bug. they helped their wallets with the bug until ccp fixed it. there is a difference. and yeah, the goon crying/feet stomping threadnaught that is inbound is only made more delicious when held in contrast to the smug "once again we won eve" OP On the contrary. The very fixes CCP did, were the ones we suggested. We also suggested a long term fix that took days of internal debate to figure out the best fix for. We went way out of our way to explain the issue in detail, the possible fixes, and even later on when they exposed themselves to it happening again.
So then whats the problem? You'll get back the stuff they took that was unrelated to the problem.
Probably. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
933
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:41:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:they didn't help them fix the bug. they helped their wallets with the bug until ccp fixed it. there is a difference.
So the only people allowed to make bug reports are those willing to fly to Iceland and donate their time as computer programmers?
You make less and less sense the more you talk, PrONEncess Alia.
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Vincent Athen
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:41:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:corestwo wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. You do know you can file a bug report without inflating your wallet right? If the wallet gets inflated in the process, it's logical to expect CCP will fix the whole problem. The WHOLE problem, not the whole problem minus your finders fee. Please justify CCP taking assets that were not earned through this. CCP Sreegs posted (possible multiple times) that he'd make sure who trespassed (i.e. caught botting etc) would be beaten hard. This is possibly the "beaten hard" example. Ah, yes, the "manipulate the markets to take advantage of FW" bot. I hear that's a really popular one among ice miners these days. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
356
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:42:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Aryth wrote:Sizeof Void wrote:Aryth wrote:The major point being. There is no incentive to report anything to CCP. You are far better off trying to get away with it quietly. Uh, no. And, just for the record, suggesting that players engage in this sort of behavior is a much more serious EULA violation - one which can get you slapped with a ban, not just a negative wallet. No matter how upset you might be, don't go there, Aryth. By me suggesting people are far better off trying to game the system quietly than overtly? There were no exploits here as far as I am concerned. CCP romping around siezing assets not even related to this clearly shows they feel differently. Playing the game to the limits of their design is now officially an exploit. This is bigger than this specific case. This is not the CCP of old. give it a rest. No one sane thinks that while you giggled at your assets window and blew up freighter after freighter of your own and wrote your 15 page fit-for-Time-magazine OP you didn't know that was all going back. if you did, wow... you seriously shot yourself in the foot with a bonehead move. That is a type of criminal genius crossed with ineptness not seen outside of TV and movies. Your whole OP reads like when the criminal tells hero his complete plan not realizing he is buying enough time and providing enough evidence to put him away.
They seized assets that existed before the patch. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1402
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:44:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Ghost Xray wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. Or rather, if you're going to abuse the system do it at your own risk. Confessing your crimes doesn't seem to get you off the hook. If your interest is in helping improve the experience in the EvE community, just report the problem without abusing said problem. Then you can pat yourself on the back and maybe earn a little space respect. This could have been abused quietly for months. It wasn't. Many were already prepping to do it judging from the responses in this thread. The major point being. There is no incentive to report anything to CCP. You are far better off trying to get away with it quietly.
Well I reported mine to CCP. They won't take my stuff though, since I limited myself to just sending a ticket.
But hey, I'll never make to the news, like the growing forest does not make to the news like the tree that cracks and falls. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Inspiration
Focused Radical Energy Engineering
27
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:44:00 -
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Arrgthepirate wrote:Inspiration wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. That is a pretty single sided view on the matter. If you had just proven the issue and not abuse it to no end, it would not been punished don't you think? And in some way I think goons got off light here. Remember the deal with moon goo being produced out of nothing (i forgot the details)? The players in corporations involved in that, all got banned! Scamming player is perfectly fine in this game, but NOT ALL scamming NPC so it seems. It would be good if CCP highlighted where the line is precisely. That way you would know for sure how far you can go! Nothing was produced from nothing. THey spent real isk to acquire assets. Get your facts right.
I never said you produced something from nothing, you are mistaken me for someone else that run that argument. You did however gained excess LP that was convertible to goods and you did it by scamming the system. In this instance trough market manipulation (but not manipulating players), where with the pos example i think it was a bug with the effect of also flooding the market with stuff that realistically should not have been there in those quantities.
SO before you accuse me of something, and I know your pissed right now, get your facts straight indeed!
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
469
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:44:00 -
[1612] - Quote
Aryth wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Aryth wrote:Sizeof Void wrote:Aryth wrote:The major point being. There is no incentive to report anything to CCP. You are far better off trying to get away with it quietly. Uh, no. And, just for the record, suggesting that players engage in this sort of behavior is a much more serious EULA violation - one which can get you slapped with a ban, not just a negative wallet. No matter how upset you might be, don't go there, Aryth. By me suggesting people are far better off trying to game the system quietly than overtly? There were no exploits here as far as I am concerned. CCP romping around siezing assets not even related to this clearly shows they feel differently. Playing the game to the limits of their design is now officially an exploit. This is bigger than this specific case. This is not the CCP of old. give it a rest. No one sane thinks that while you giggled at your assets window and blew up freighter after freighter of your own and wrote your 15 page fit-for-Time-magazine OP you didn't know that was all going back. if you did, wow... you seriously shot yourself in the foot with a bonehead move. That is a type of criminal genius crossed with ineptness not seen outside of TV and movies. Your whole OP reads like when the criminal tells hero his complete plan not realizing he is buying enough time and providing enough evidence to put him away. They seized assets that existed before the patch.
And we very much doubt CCP will simply give them back, because, you know, CCP.
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Arrgthepirate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:45:00 -
[1613] - Quote
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Aryth wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Domer Pyle wrote:this thread is chock full of goon tears. i am amused.
but, yeah, it seems that the goons went above and beyond helping ccp fix a bug, hence why they're taking the stuff you got from it, lol. makes sense to me. they didn't help them fix the bug. they helped their wallets with the bug until ccp fixed it. there is a difference. and yeah, the goon crying/feet stomping threadnaught that is inbound is only made more delicious when held in contrast to the smug "once again we won eve" OP On the contrary. The very fixes CCP did, were the ones we suggested. We also suggested a long term fix that took days of internal debate to figure out the best fix for. We went way out of our way to explain the issue in detail, the possible fixes, and even later on when they exposed themselves to it happening again. So then whats the problem? You'll get back the stuff they took that was unrelated to the problem. Probably.
Still bitter about the RIT triangle? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1402
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:45:00 -
[1614] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:In chaos theory, there's a concept known as sensitive dependence upon initial conditions. Most people know it as the Butterfly Effect.
In EVE, we call it the sandbox.
HAHAHAHA just kidding not actually a sandbox
Grats, you found out it's a money box. CCP's money box. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
196
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:45:00 -
[1615] - Quote
Aryth wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Aryth wrote:Sizeof Void wrote:Aryth wrote:The major point being. There is no incentive to report anything to CCP. You are far better off trying to get away with it quietly. Uh, no. And, just for the record, suggesting that players engage in this sort of behavior is a much more serious EULA violation - one which can get you slapped with a ban, not just a negative wallet. No matter how upset you might be, don't go there, Aryth. By me suggesting people are far better off trying to game the system quietly than overtly? There were no exploits here as far as I am concerned. CCP romping around siezing assets not even related to this clearly shows they feel differently. Playing the game to the limits of their design is now officially an exploit. This is bigger than this specific case. This is not the CCP of old. give it a rest. No one sane thinks that while you giggled at your assets window and blew up freighter after freighter of your own and wrote your 15 page fit-for-Time-magazine OP you didn't know that was all going back. if you did, wow... you seriously shot yourself in the foot with a bonehead move. That is a type of criminal genius crossed with ineptness not seen outside of TV and movies. Your whole OP reads like when the criminal tells hero his complete plan not realizing he is buying enough time and providing enough evidence to put him away. They seized assets that existed before the patch.
yeah, but you did this to yourselves. you know how hamfisted their investigations are. expecting more here is as much a failure on your part as it is on theirs.
save the crying for when they don't give stuff back they should have. until then, they probably will return unrelated stuff |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
933
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:46:00 -
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Inspiration wrote:Arrgthepirate wrote:Inspiration wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. That is a pretty single sided view on the matter. If you had just proven the issue and not abuse it to no end, it would not been punished don't you think? And in some way I think goons got off light here. Remember the deal with moon goo being produced out of nothing (i forgot the details)? The players in corporations involved in that, all got banned! Scamming player is perfectly fine in this game, but NOT ALL scamming NPC so it seems. It would be good if CCP highlighted where the line is precisely. That way you would know for sure how far you can go! Nothing was produced from nothing. THey spent real isk to acquire assets. Get your facts right. I never said you produced something from nothing, you are mistaken me for someone else that run that argument. You did however gained excess LP that was convertible to goods and you did it by scamming the system. In this instance trough market manipulation (but not manipulating players), where with the pos example i think it was a bug with the effect of also flooding the market with stuff that realistically should not have been there in those quantities. SO before you accuse me of something, and I know your pissed right now, get your facts straight indeed!
"excess LP" = something from nothing. Otherwise, it wouldn't be "excess", right? |
Ghost Xray
Hedion University Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:46:00 -
[1617] - Quote
Aryth wrote:
On the contrary. The very fixes CCP did, were the ones we suggested. We also suggested a long term fix that took days of internal debate to figure out the best fix for. We went way out of our way to explain the issue in detail, the possible fixes, and even later on when they exposed themselves to it happening again.
Great! Next time do all that and leave out the "oh, and yeah, I pilfered 5trillion isk worth of junk and screwed up faction wars for a few weeks, I hope that's cool."
Or don't. Nobody asked you to QA. Just like the Goon policy of not reporting Goon bots because "well, it's not our job to police botters, that's CCP's job - Mittens", don't take it upon yourselves to QA new code.
You may find this hard to believe, but CCP doesn't live and die based on what you guys do in this game. I'm sure it can manage just fine without you. Get over yourselves ffs.
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Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:47:00 -
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Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. I think the message is really, file a bug report and don't exploit the bug/design flaw. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4132
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:50:00 -
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Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't.
I believe a certain Mr K. U. Gutsumen could have told you that. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Kadl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:51:00 -
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"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" - Upton Sinclair
The situation presented looks like an exploit. I know that some people have a hard time understanding this because they have bought into the propaganda of those who would love to do a bit of exploiting. I am sorry if you have deluded yourself into thinking that a bit of quick logic will protect you when something looks like an exploit. I hope that any actions by CCP will be interpreted by future players as be careful around things that look like an exploit.
If assets are being taken, and if those assets were not involved in the exploit then I am sorry. Unfortunately I don't think CCP has the time to do a full forensic analysis of the situation. Perhaps CCP will return some of the losses in time, or perhaps they will just count it as the wages of being involved in an active exploit. |
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