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Kainso
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
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Posted - 2012.06.22 05:34:00 -
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I'm not a fan of lumbering around at a snail's pace. I prefer smaller, more interesting (IMO) hulls. I also want to have a source of decent income (l4 missions, 0.0 ratting, etc), but I don't have the skills for a HAC, or T3 cruiser. All of my skills are geared towards Amarr tech. Can anyone suggest a ship/fit that would suit me? I've heard of Omen Navy Issues soloing L4s/0.0 ratting (and I love the hull).
If what I'm asking is impossible, I'll understand. |
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
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Posted - 2012.06.22 05:54:00 -
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Kainso wrote:I'm not a fan of lumbering around at a snail's pace. I prefer smaller, more interesting (IMO) hulls. I also want to have a source of decent income (l4 missions, 0.0 ratting, etc), but I don't have the skills for a HAC, or T3 cruiser. All of my skills are geared towards Amarr tech. Can anyone suggest a ship/fit that would suit me? I've heard of Omen Navy Issues soloing L4s/0.0 ratting (and I love the hull).
If what I'm asking is impossible, I'll understand.
Battlecruisers can selectively do level 4's, but painfully. Drake is the current king due to great tanking capabilities, even though the missiles are weak for level 4 damage. Drakes are rumored to be changing with an upcoming revamp, doing more damage and having less tank, so you probably don't want to put a ton of training into them solely for long-term level 4's.
You can sure use the drake for wormholes or anomalies, though.
Some of the pirate cruisers can do pretty well in 4's such as the Gila, but that requires training not only the missiles and shields, but Caldari/Gallente cruisers and drones, making them much more time-consuming than a focused battleship. But the skills will carry over later into a lot of different paths such as Drake/Tengu/Proteus/Ishtar/Rattlesnake, so it's a good long-term goal to focus on for a very flexible cruiser-hulled ship.
Really, for level 4's you need to be prepared to spend at least a few weeks training into battleships, or look longer term for T3's or HACs. They don't require a lot of time to do slowly (Look into low-skilled, AFK Dominix for slow but safe level 4's if you only invest in T2 hobs/hammers + t1 ogres and dual LAR), but they pay off in the long run since you can always fall back on the battleships when you need easy and safe income while funding other endeavors. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:47:00 -
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Kainso wrote:I'm not a fan of lumbering around at a snail's pace. I prefer smaller, more interesting (IMO) hulls. I also want to have a source of decent income (l4 missions, 0.0 ratting, etc), but I don't have the skills for a HAC, or T3 cruiser. All of my skills are geared towards Amarr tech. Can anyone suggest a ship/fit that would suit me? I've heard of Omen Navy Issues soloing L4s/0.0 ratting (and I love the hull).
If what I'm asking is impossible, I'll understand.
I'm told that the Oracle can do the job if flown well, but I haven't tried it myself and it seems like you might lose a few while ironing out the tactics (wafer-thin tank, no drones) Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:52:00 -
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Kainso wrote:I'm not a fan of lumbering around at a snail's pace. I prefer smaller, more interesting (IMO) hulls. I also want to have a source of decent income (l4 missions, 0.0 ratting, etc), but I don't have the skills for a HAC, or T3 cruiser. All of my skills are geared towards Amarr tech. Can anyone suggest a ship/fit that would suit me? I've heard of Omen Navy Issues soloing L4s/0.0 ratting (and I love the hull).
If what I'm asking is impossible, I'll understand.
0.0 ratting can be done in most ships but the speed with which you rat will vary greatly. Given your requirements, try a Retribution.
Level 4 missions work best in battleships, field command ships or a Tengu/Drake. You can do them in other ships but none of them are particularly fast at them. (Perhaps the Ishtar counts aswell) |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.22 07:23:00 -
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Kainso wrote:I'm not a fan of lumbering around at a snail's pace. I prefer smaller, more interesting (IMO) hulls. I also want to have a source of decent income (l4 missions, 0.0 ratting, etc), but I don't have the skills for a HAC, or T3 cruiser. All of my skills are geared towards Amarr tech. Can anyone suggest a ship/fit that would suit me? I've heard of Omen Navy Issues soloing L4s/0.0 ratting (and I love the hull).
If what I'm asking is impossible, I'll understand.
Its not impossible ... your asking for a tengu .. you dont have skills for it ? .. get skills for it !
You know ... if you had not chosen the brick race .. you could be zooming around in machariel ... at the speed of mwding cruisers. |
Maeltstome
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.22 10:30:00 -
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Cedo Nulli wrote:Kainso wrote:I'm not a fan of lumbering around at a snail's pace. I prefer smaller, more interesting (IMO) hulls. I also want to have a source of decent income (l4 missions, 0.0 ratting, etc), but I don't have the skills for a HAC, or T3 cruiser. All of my skills are geared towards Amarr tech. Can anyone suggest a ship/fit that would suit me? I've heard of Omen Navy Issues soloing L4s/0.0 ratting (and I love the hull).
If what I'm asking is impossible, I'll understand. Its not impossible ... your asking for a tengu .. you dont have skills for it ? .. get skills for it ! You know ... if you had not chosen the brick race .. you could be zooming around in machariel ... at the speed of mwding cruisers.
Buthurt amarr mistakes falloff for optimal.
The harbinger could do certain level 4's - but realistically you want to get a nice legion, fit it for stinky-EHP and then las0r dem missions.
You can't fly a HAC or a T3? Train for it. Simple. Short term you're best just raping level 3's in a harbinger. The harder and faster you can clear them, the more LP you get - LP is where the bling is at. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2012.06.22 10:35:00 -
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imo being in a big slow battleship is more than outweighed by the difference in dps. I think I'd fall asleep flying a smaller exciting ship in a bs heavy mission just because it would be hours of slowly chewing away at mountains of hp. |
Lady Darkmoon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.22 10:57:00 -
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I don't really get the lumbering part ?
You warp to mission pocket. Lock targets and blow them up. Warp back to base and deliver.
Very rarely do you fly around (at least I seldom do) as you either have an alt for picking up the loot and salvage, or you do that after you finished the missions.
Some missions require you to fly a distance to get to an acceleration gate, but most often you will know this beforehand by reading up the mission on EVE Mission reports where they are pretty decent with adding in tips such as "Bring an AB, there's a bit of flying around."
So overall... not alot of lumbering around in Battleships. Plus they are hands down the most efficient L4 mission runners compared to the training time and ISK required to fly them.
Then again, I've done L4's in a Retribution just because I was bored. It's doable as well, but exceedingly slow compared to just warping in with a Battleship and popping everything within gun/missile range. |
Songbird
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:27:00 -
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tengu, ishtar, gila , maybe cerberus - those are the cruisers which will do lvl 4s comfortably. Main problem with cruisers is the extremely short range and of course the lack of gank. The tengu and cerberus bypass the range issue by using heavy missiles and ishtar and gila by using sentry drones
Most BS though will move at a nice pace one you equip em with a MWD.
Of course there's always the option to run with buddies - in fact since it's a multiplayer game it should be the first option to consider :) |
Kainso
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:58:00 -
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Thanks, everyone. I appreciate the responses. It's sounding like I'm just going to have to suck it up and use a BS for a while until I get the skills for a legion, which is about what I expected, but I figured I'd ask.
I've heard the apocalypse is a great starter BS (although hideous >.<). If I have the cash, should I go straight for a navy apoc? |
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Maeltstome
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:03:00 -
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Kainso wrote:Thanks, everyone. I appreciate the responses. It's sounding like I'm just going to have to suck it up and use a BS for a while until I get the skills for a legion, which is about what I expected, but I figured I'd ask.
I've heard the apocalypse is a great starter BS (although hideous >.<). If I have the cash, should I go straight for a navy apoc?
The geddon is a monster. Just stick lots of heat sinks and plate on it with some tracking computers and rip through dangerous targets quickly. The HP buffer should keep you safe. As long as you don't mind fitting a repper once you're finished a mission :)
5x Sentry drones on a geddon isn't to be sniffed at. |
Songbird
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:11:00 -
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navy apoc is the way to go - pulse lazors with the extra range - hit hard at 30-50, which is where in my experience you need to be able to deliver , active tanking - no need to go for the passive plates setups, might need to exchange hardeners to fit the rats.
Geddon even though it looks better on paper is not that great due to limited range..
Also not sure if legion is a mission running ship , although I hear it's great at incursions. |
Bill Serkoff2
Tachyon Technology
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:07:00 -
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The Apocalypse is a fantastic and good-looking level 4 boat; I use a Navy Apoc for level 4 missions, myself. Here's my fit, de-bling to taste and such.
Fully cap stable, 600 DPS, 60km optimal with Scorch, yadda yadda
[Apocalypse Navy Issue, Mishun] Imperial Navy Capacitor Power Relay Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Targeting Range Script Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, Optimal Range Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:21:00 -
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Zealots and Omen Navy Issue are not ships to make jokes about, those are pesky stuff to deal with, fast excellent dmg projection and dps, tank. More than it's needed to rat. brb |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.06.22 16:24:00 -
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move on up to battleships and eventually get yourself a Nightmare...
they are fun :3 My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Amazaral Osmosis
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:09:00 -
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Bill Serkoff2 wrote:The Apocalypse is a fantastic and good-looking level 4 boat; I use a Navy Apoc for level 4 missions, myself. Here's my fit, de-bling to taste and such.
Fully cap stable, 600 DPS, 60km optimal with Scorch, yadda yadda
[Apocalypse Navy Issue, Mishun] Imperial Navy Capacitor Power Relay Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Targeting Range Script Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, Optimal Range Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Because if he needs to run lvl4 missions he most likely has enough money for an X-type LAR? =P |
Kainso
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:29:00 -
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Amazaral Osmosis wrote:Bill Serkoff2 wrote:The Apocalypse is a fantastic and good-looking level 4 boat; I use a Navy Apoc for level 4 missions, myself. Here's my fit, de-bling to taste and such.
Fully cap stable, 600 DPS, 60km optimal with Scorch, yadda yadda
[Apocalypse Navy Issue, Mishun] Imperial Navy Capacitor Power Relay Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Targeting Range Script Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, Optimal Range Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Because if he needs to run lvl4 missions he most likely has enough money for an X-type LAR? =P that being said, just go with a regular Apoc if youre low on skills, its reasonably cheap and the cap reduction helps. Then just swap to a more fun ship whenever you get the training/funds in.
Lol, right? In his defense, he did say "debling while necessary."
Anyway, yea, I'll probably go with an apoc. I can't use T2 BS lasers, yet, so should I use pulses or beams?
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:37:00 -
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Mach. It's faster than majority of cruisers. So what's the beef with BS again? Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Bill Serkoff2
Tachyon Technology
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:57:00 -
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Kainso wrote:Amazaral Osmosis wrote: Because if he needs to run lvl4 missions he most likely has enough money for an X-type LAR? =P
that being said, just go with a regular Apoc if youre low on skills, its reasonably cheap and the cap reduction helps. Then just swap to a more fun ship whenever you get the training/funds in.
Lol, right? In his defense, he did say "debling while necessary." Anyway, yea, I'll probably go with an apoc. I can't use T2 BS lasers, yet, so should I use pulses or beams? Pulses still have adequate DPS at range, but you may want to get a rack of beams if you aren't getting Mega Pulse II soon.
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Rip Marley
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.23 05:22:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Mach. It's faster than majority of cruisers. So what's the beef with BS again?
I knew someone would have posted this by now. Silly fast with excellent DPS. |
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Kainso
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
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Posted - 2012.06.23 23:25:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Mach. It's faster than majority of cruisers. So what's the beef with BS again?
As I said, I'm trained in Amarr tech. Mach isn't an option. |
Koda Myr'koff
Lollipops for Rancors
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Posted - 2012.06.24 06:40:00 -
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Not to mention the hull alone runs about 1bn these days. |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
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Posted - 2012.06.25 07:54:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Zealots and Omen Navy Issue are not ships to make jokes about, those are pesky stuff to deal with, fast excellent dmg projection and dps, tank. More than it's needed to rat.
^ This.
If you want to stay Amarr (RP, aesthetic, or just plain becauseIwanto reasons), then do so. They do have options, but they tend to be a little more skill level intensive before becoming effective.
Zealot, Legion, Omen Navy Issue, and Absolution all are BC or smaller laser ships that do L4's easily, and are a lot of fun.
Sacriledge is a missile boat that can do L4's if you prefer that route.
Curse and Arbitrator can do most L4's but there is notably more risk involved.
If you decide to go with BS, the Abaddon makes one of the best tanks in game for the class, but is brutal on skill level requirements in order to try and balance out its Cap issues. Apoc is very popular, and more forgiving to lower skills.
Everyone has their own style (Zealot is my personal favorite). You need to find yours. Tool around with a few types, and get a feel for what style (fast / missile boat? Tanking laser platform? Speed tanking shooter?) feels like it fits you, then base your training on that ship accordingly. Nowadays training does not take very long at all if you aim at a particular ship.
Just my take on it, but hope it was helpful. ;) |
Adacia Calla
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.25 21:51:00 -
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Kainso wrote:I'm not a fan of lumbering around at a snail's pace.
MWD Machariel would like to have a word with you.
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.06.25 22:16:00 -
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Kainso wrote:I'm not a fan of lumbering around at a snail's pace. I prefer smaller, more interesting (IMO) hulls. I also want to have a source of decent income (l4 missions, 0.0 ratting, etc), but I don't have the skills for a HAC, or T3 cruiser. All of my skills are geared towards Amarr tech. Can anyone suggest a ship/fit that would suit me? I've heard of Omen Navy Issues soloing L4s/0.0 ratting (and I love the hull).
If what I'm asking is impossible, I'll understand.
Have to pay to play, you said you don't want to fly a BS and then **** on ever alternative. |
Kainso
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:27:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Kainso wrote:I'm not a fan of lumbering around at a snail's pace. I prefer smaller, more interesting (IMO) hulls. I also want to have a source of decent income (l4 missions, 0.0 ratting, etc), but I don't have the skills for a HAC, or T3 cruiser. All of my skills are geared towards Amarr tech. Can anyone suggest a ship/fit that would suit me? I've heard of Omen Navy Issues soloing L4s/0.0 ratting (and I love the hull).
If what I'm asking is impossible, I'll understand. Have to pay to play, you said you don't want to fly a BS and then **** on ever alternative.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said: "If what I'm asking is impossible, I'll understand."
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Ira Infernus
Praetorium Illegitimus The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:37:00 -
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You can solo a l4 in a frigate but will be very slow because you will constantly have to approach your targets and will have terrible DPS...
Your comments about being slow are silly; a battleship might be slow but the fact that they can hit DPS figures of 700-1200 @50km means that a battleship is really the fastest thing to make isk in. |
God's Apples
C0bra Gang
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:53:00 -
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Get a BC or HAC and run PLEXes in low sec. More money than L4s and you don't need to be in a BS. |
Kainso
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:58:00 -
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Ira Infernus wrote:You can solo a l4 in a frigate but will be very slow because you will constantly have to approach your targets and will have terrible DPS...
Your comments about being slow are silly; a battleship might be slow but the fact that they can hit DPS figures of 700-1200 @50km means that a battleship is really the fastest thing to make isk in.
This makes sense. I suppose my ship's speed means nothing if it takes twice as long to finish a mission. I'll just suck it up and stick to PvP for smaller hulls. |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:43:00 -
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Kainso wrote:Ira Infernus wrote:You can solo a l4 in a frigate but will be very slow because you will constantly have to approach your targets and will have terrible DPS...
Your comments about being slow are silly; a battleship might be slow but the fact that they can hit DPS figures of 700-1200 @50km means that a battleship is really the fastest thing to make isk in. This makes sense. I suppose my ship's speed means nothing if it takes twice as long to finish a mission. I'll just suck it up and stick to PvP for smaller hulls.
Train up HAC / BC's. You can do L4's, 0.0 ratting, Plex, and if you get caught by some enterprising pirate out there solo, depending on what ship you are in, you may a): Get out alive, b): Give them second thoughts depending on your ship, or c): surprise someone and counter their gank altogether. AC and HAC are great pvp ships as well from what ive learned so far.
BS's are great for L4's. I personally dislike the slow speeds getting around though, so normally stick to my Zealot, and manage to go through the rooms in decent time. If you want to do both (pvp / pve), in the short term you would probably be better off maxing out your smaller ship skills, as going into BS class will mean training up all your appropriate weapon skills to Large also (beam / pulse and specialization).
Food for thought |
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