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Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:41:00 -
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On this YC114.06.22, I am prepared to render judgment against a group of Khanid citizens and Caldari nationals who have committed the egregious sins of blasphemy, insult to the body of the Empire, and promiscuity within the Kingdom of Khanid.
The allegations are as follows: Diskos Udani did willfully and with full knowledge of his crime, procure a blasphemous item of Galletean make and bring it into the holy Kingdom of Khanid. This item was a holoreel that showed an individual of indeterminate gender as the GÇÿEmpressGÇÖ who performed crude and unnatural sexual acts with her GÇÿPrivate Council.GÇÖ Diskos Udani rented out this holoreel along with others of a pornographic nature to several individuals.
For this crime, Diskos Udani is sentenced to public execution at dawn tomorrow. During that time, all existing copies of the holoreel will be burned.
Fifteen individuals herein named [1], purchased and willfully watched the blasphemous item. Six of these individuals were of the Kingdom and nine were Caldari workers for the Kaalakiota. All members of the Kingdom are assumed to have known the enormity of their sin. Under questioning and before the agents of the Divine, all nine Caldari have sworn they sinned in ignorance.
Ignorance of divine law does not exempt one from punishment.
All fifteen are immediately stripped as their rights as citizens and honored foreigners and must take the collar. They are being removed to a desert planet and there the fifteen will be daily lashed, exposed to the elements, and kept on a restricted diet for three months.
As the crime was committed in in Hanaya territory and the prisoners know many of the servants of the Hanaya, instead of falling under the care of Lord Hanaya, they will be presented to Evelyn Meiyi as slaves. Lady Meiyi will provide them with spiritual education and rehabilitation.
Lady Meiyi may return the Caldari slaves to the Kaalakiota if she believes they have properly repented of their crimes.
At this time, Lord Hanaya is still investigating this matter and if other sinners are found, they will likewise be punished.
Praise be to the justice of God, King Khanid, and to the Jamyl I.
[1] A listing of the fifteen prisioners. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:48:00 -
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My question is, seeing as you plan on either killing or enslaving these people...who do I return the copy I rented to, or barring that, will my credit account be charged late fee's? Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
DeadRow
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.06.22 07:28:00 -
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Guess they were caught with their pants down. |
Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.06.22 07:50:00 -
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All joking aside, blasphemy is not something that the Empire or Kingdom can afford to ignore.
The slaves in my care will be treated fairly, with all due sensitivity to the current political situation between the Kingdom and her allies. When I am certain that they understand the gravity of their crime, they will be released into the care of the State, or their home corporation, whichever sees fit to recover them.
I have long maintained that I am not a cruel person. I do not abuse slaves, physically or otherwise, nor do I use such disturbing methods as Vitoxin to ensure loyalty. Such things are not Godly, and will only serve to drive the slaves under my care away from His light.
The Caldari have long been our allies and close friends; I will do nothing to upset our relationship, but I must protect the Kingdom against the efforts of dissidents and heretics.
In God's Service,
Lady Evelyn Meiyi, CEO, Meiyi Family Holdings, Inc. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
294
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:00:00 -
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This reminds of a similar holoreel incident in orbit of Athra a few years past.
Scandalous.
Altar Boys 2
Brutor Unchained
I'll just say that those who preach the loudest against what they consider moral impropriety are generally the ones caught indulging at some later date.
I'm sure sister Hanaya has a few well-viewed copies bouncing around in her computer files somewhere....
Additionally the fact that this may be a 'crime' on Hanaya territory does not speak for the Kingdom and Empire at large.
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Scherezad
Hobgoblin Marketeers
73
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Posted - 2012.06.22 16:41:00 -
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Evelyn Meiyi wrote:The Caldari have long been our allies and close friends; I will do nothing to upset our relationship, but I must protect the Kingdom against the efforts of dissidents and heretics.
If you truly wish to preserve the relationship, I would suggest perhaps returning the Caldari citizens to their parent corporation after giving thorough explanation of the error they have made. We prefer to take care of our own. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
382
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Posted - 2012.06.22 17:34:00 -
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As much as I'd like to see that video personally in the quiet of my office with no-one around, those Caldari individuals are responsible for their own behaviour, and their crimes. They got caught watching blasphemous material in the Empire. You wouldn't want to get caught poaching for slaves in Pator either. Cultural insensitivity is no excuse for repatriation or rescue, they ran afoul of a local custom and should face the Amarrian consequences with Caldari honour. |
Scherezad
Hobgoblin Marketeers
73
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:47:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As much as I'd like to see that video personally in the quiet of my office with no-one around, those Caldari individuals are responsible for their own behaviour, and their crimes. They got caught watching blasphemous material in the Empire. You wouldn't want to get caught poaching for slaves in Pator either. Cultural insensitivity is no excuse for repatriation or rescue, they ran afoul of a local custom and should face the Amarrian consequences with Caldari honour.
Certainly so, but it may strain relations. The best way to ensure a strong relationship is through trust, and I am of the opinion that trusting Kaalakiota to administer appropriate justice for the crimes would be the greatest sign of that trust. |
Deacon Abox
Genstar Inc Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:32:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote: I'll just say that those who preach the loudest against what they consider moral impropriety are generally the ones caught indulging at some later date.
I'm sure sister Hanaya has a few well-viewed copies bouncing around in her computer files somewhere....
Additionally the fact that this may be a 'crime' on Hanaya territory does not speak for the Kingdom and Empire at large.
Agreed.
Which is why these strict Khanid ladies get me so HAAAAAAAAAAAAWT! Oh yeah baby!
I'm having blasphemous thoughts right now brb |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
321
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:36:00 -
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CONCORD lets this guy shoot guns at people. Villore Accords hired him. |
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Deacon Abox
Genstar Inc Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:46:00 -
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Doesn't it seem a little extreme to be condemning and executing people for some very human self indulgence? Either in thought or action. Loosen up brother. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
321
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:47:00 -
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My reply had nothing to do with the OP. Just a response to it. |
Deacon Abox
Genstar Inc Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:08:00 -
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Of course. And there is nothing similar in your response than in that of the original post. The two reactions share nothing in common.
By the way, Concord allows a lot of twisted folks to shoot guns. Some of whom operate on purely sadistic motivations without even a shred of lust behind a thirst to inflict pain. Is human sexual desire more dangerous to the divine than purely destructive impulses? |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
321
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:12:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:Of course. And there is nothing similar in your response than in that of the original post. The two reactions share nothing in common.
By the way, Concord allows a lot of twisted folks to shoot guns. Some of whom operate on purely sadistic motivations without even a shred of lust behind a thirst to inflict pain. Is human sexual desire more dangerous to the divine than purely destructive impulses?
I have no opinion on the divine, as I tend to deal in things I can demonstrate with evidence.
I have lots of opinions on the sorts of people that get turned into capsuleers. |
Deacon Abox
Genstar Inc Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:16:00 -
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True enough. And opinions, being human, can differ wildly. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
321
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:18:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote: I'll just say that those who preach the loudest against what they consider moral impropriety are generally the ones caught indulging at some later date.
I'm sure sister Hanaya has a few well-viewed copies bouncing around in her computer files somewhere....
Additionally the fact that this may be a 'crime' on Hanaya territory does not speak for the Kingdom and Empire at large.
Agreed. Which is why these strict Khanid ladies get me so HAAAAAAAAAAAAWT! Oh yeah baby! I'm having blasphemous thoughts right now brb
My opinion is that CONCORD lets you shoot guns, and Villore Accords hired you. |
Deacon Abox
Genstar Inc Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:24:00 -
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Yes, for freedom of thought and expression. o7 |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
321
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:26:00 -
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Which is great, because it lets me hold you up as an example to people when they say "Why exactly do you fly for Nation? Don't you want your free will?"
Nope, not really. If I ever had it, its too much of a danger. Quite happy to sell it for a Utopia. |
Rogue Integer
Center for Empyrean Studies
18
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:38:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Nope, not really. If I ever had it, its too much of a danger. Quite happy to sell it for a Utopia.
And yet no one can know if this is truly your opinion. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
321
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:44:00 -
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Rogue Integer wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Nope, not really. If I ever had it, its too much of a danger. Quite happy to sell it for a Utopia. And yet no one can know if this is truly your opinion.
That's because its probably wise to invest in tinfoil hats. |
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
169
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Posted - 2012.06.23 04:31:00 -
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Just one question; will the executions be broadcast? What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
632
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Posted - 2012.06.23 04:41:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Just one question; will the executions be broadcast?
Hey now. This isn't the Federation. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
207
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Posted - 2012.06.23 04:49:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Just one question; will the executions be broadcast?
The execution (singular) will likely be broadcast on the Planetary Network for Shinsuru. If you're in the system and have a strong enough receiver, you might be able to pick it up.
Katrina Oniseki wrote:Hey now. This isn't the Federation. Public execution. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Shaounee Huren
Tribal News Network
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Posted - 2012.06.23 04:54:00 -
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If this is a matter, as Ms Hanaya submits, of local laws being broken then I would like to ask my esteemed Amarrian friend what should be done to the Amarrians in Matar space who run slave plantations under contracts awarded by the Joint Harvesting Corporation in systems such as Bakrik? |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
207
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Posted - 2012.06.23 04:59:00 -
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By 'Amarrian' are you referring to me? although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Shaounee Huren
Tribal News Network
15
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Posted - 2012.06.23 05:17:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:By 'Amarrian' are you referring to me? Amarrian being those who have given themselves to the "One True God and have been reclaimed" as stated in the Book of Reclaiming, and yes the question was to you madam. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
207
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Posted - 2012.06.23 05:41:00 -
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Shaounee Huren wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:By 'Amarrian' are you referring to me? Amarrian being those who have given themselves to the "One True God and have been reclaimed" as stated in the Book of Reclaiming, and yes the question was to you madam. The Book of Reclaiming calls those people the Chosen, and they are not limited to the True Amarr or to the subjects of the Amarrian Empire.
As for legal matters in among the Matar, I expect that their criminals are subject to whatever law and legal proceedings hold sway in that domain. If you want to know the punishment for specific crimes in Matar space, asking a woman of the Khanid Kingdom is a less than efficient method. As I understand it, there are dozens of tribes and each has their own way of handling various crimes.
Have you tried doing a GNet search? Or asking a tribal member? although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Mensha Khael Crow
House of Murder Aegis Militia
17
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Posted - 2012.06.23 09:33:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As much as I'd like to see that video personally in the quiet of my office with no-one around, those Caldari individuals are responsible for their own behaviour, and their crimes. They got caught watching blasphemous material in the Empire. You wouldn't want to get caught poaching for slaves in Pator either. Cultural insensitivity is no excuse for repatriation or rescue, they ran afoul of a local custom and should face the Amarrian consequences with Caldari honour. Certainly so, but it may strain relations. The best way to ensure a strong relationship is through trust, and I am of the opinion that trusting Kaalakiota to administer appropriate justice for the crimes would be the greatest sign of that trust.
For being in possession of blasphemous material. Material that directly insults the current holder of the Throne they receive three months of restricted diet and physical punishment. After which another holder considers whether they show proper understandanging to the error of their ways. This holder may upon finding them sufficiently apologetic to transfer them over to Kaalakiota.
If I misunderstood the terms of their punishment I hope I will be corrected.
After such extreme considerations to our allies the Caldari on the sentencing and an exceedingly liberal amounts of mercy by this holder, you truly think suggesting no punishment and transferrance to their own corporation would have been more just?
You would do better to thank Lady Hanaya for exceeding leniency and apparent trust in Kaalakiota's local leaders to see that this does not happen again. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
341
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:20:00 -
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We Caldari honor the laws and culture of the land we are in.
The Kaalakiota Corporation employees committed a crime, penance is due. The Lord of Lady Hanaya has demonstrated fairness in that he is also punishing his own for this violation and is accounting for the supposed ignorance of the Caldari. As it was Imperial or Kingdom law that was broken within Imperial or Kingdom space, it is only just that the Caldari be submitted to Imperial or Kingdom justice, a plea for mercy due to their foreign misunderstanding of the law system was submitted and apparently taken into consideration.
Further deliberation on this matter should be left to Lord Hanaya and the CEO or a delegated representative of the Kaalakiota Corporation. ~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon Honor Guard Recruitment Video ((OOC WHG PR Video)) |
Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
12
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Posted - 2012.06.23 11:00:00 -
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Shaounee Huren wrote:If this is a matter, as Ms Hanaya submits, of local laws being broken then I would like to ask my esteemed Amarrian friend what should be done to the Amarrians in Matar space who run slave plantations under contracts awarded by the Joint Harvesting Corporation in systems such as Bakrik?
Unfortunately, I can only offer speculation. I don't have the Council's timetable on dealing with Holders that overstep their bounds. As the offense was committed in Minmatar space, perhaps the Matari should be more diligent in protecting their borders? |
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