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Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.25 23:22:00 -
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Man boobs don't count. Or cross dressers. |
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
34
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Posted - 2012.06.25 23:40:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote:Possum's Awesome wrote:Misogyny is the dislike or hatred of females. I would say most male players in this game are not active haters of females, so misogyny is an improper term.
We make fun of EVERYONE, men are immature little turd monkeys that fling keyboard poo at everyone they see.. even our best friends.
You Are Not Special. Your Vagina Does Not Make You Special. Get Over It.
p.s. no girls in eve, pretty sure mintchip is bailey jay's brother. One does not need to be an active hater to be a misogynist. Just because you don't go out burning crosses, doesn't mean you aren't a racists either.
Both words have very specific definitions.. if nothing I do falls into those definitions, then clearly I cannot be labeled by those terms. No matter how hard you wish to say so, just because you don't like the way I act. Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |
Mons Pubis Giganticus
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:26:00 -
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you meant "female" players, not girl players. one is a noun, the other is an adjective. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
556
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Posted - 2012.06.26 05:35:00 -
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And another thing. Why do people who are (hopefully) well past there twenties refer to themselves as boys and girls. News flash guys, we're not in kindergarten anymore. Most of us are men and women.
I encounter the same problem in real life when adult men refer to other people (the same age) as kids.
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Ituhata
The Scope Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.06.26 05:38:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:And another thing. Why do people who are (hopefully) well past there twenties refer to themselves as boys and girls. News flash guys, we're not in kindergarten anymore. Most of us are men and women.
I encounter the same problem in real life when adult men refer to other people (the same age) as kids.
Some of us don't want to admit that we're past our twenties and we're getting grayer, thinner hair and that we've should be reading The Wall Street Journal instead of the comics from the local paper. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
556
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Posted - 2012.06.26 05:50:00 -
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Ituhata wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:And another thing. Why do people who are (hopefully) well past there twenties refer to themselves as boys and girls. News flash guys, we're not in kindergarten anymore. Most of us are men and women.
I encounter the same problem in real life when adult men refer to other people (the same age) as kids. Some of us don't want to admit that we're past our twenties and we're getting grayer, thinner hair and that we've should be reading The Wall Street Journal instead of the comics from the local paper.
I'm 27 and I don't do either of those things haha But I also haven't found a grey hair yet. :P
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Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
51
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Posted - 2012.06.26 08:48:00 -
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Mintchip wrote:One thing I hate, is the feeling that women should hide their gender because of the attention it gives them. That's ridiculous - if people want to fawn over women, or give them things or act a fool in that regard - why is the woman always blamed and berated? In some cases, yes, someone may be using that to their advantage but in this day and age it is almost just the assumption. Even other females will make snide catty remarks at another female. Which is ridiculous. I have never needed to hide my gender. I just don't go around screaming: "hey I'm a woman, look at me!" (not literally like that, but maybe the point is made) and asking for attention - I know very well some women in this game who do. I have seen them in local and I have seen them in fleets. It's not a bad thing to beg attention, but if you do, you need to be aware of the consequences. I don't know if it's my weird Finnish accent or what, but I don't usually get any "unusual" attention when speaking in comms. Only thing people ask is where I'm from! Let it be that way.
And nope, women are not always blamed because some people act stupidly when they are around. It's how you as a woman react when you receive that "attention". If you just ignore it and don't answer anything to those douche bags, they will stop it. And it hurts you always less when you simply don't take them seriously. I do agree that this kind of behavior from some members of male population of this game is extremely childish and lame. It's like bullying, but you know, bullies often give up when you don't pay any attention to them.
Mintchip wrote:I don't think anyone should have to hide who they are, regardless of being gay, trans, female, male or extremely unintelligent - and obviously some people in eve agree with me in one aspect. I completely agree with you. |
PinkKnife
The Scope Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2012.06.26 16:42:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote: Let's say you are casting a movie and the character to be cast is an Asian male. You reject an applicant because she is a Caucasian woman. Much as I'd like to see CCP Punkturis in the movie, I'd submit that you are neither racist, nor misogynistic, but you are biased because discrimination is required to do the job properly.
The terms "misogynist" and "racist" have much more meaning if you don't try to make them mean everything.
Sigh... That said, your original point seems to have been "I think many men who play Eve are misogynists" which is an opinion and can't really be argued with. I can, and do, disagree with it, however.
In terms of US law: It isn't illegal or misogynist to only hire women for women roles.
Quote:Title VII prohibits sex discrimination in employment unless the employer can establish what's called a BFOQ or "Bona Fide Occupational Qualification." The EEOC Guidelines do allow intentional sex discrimination in hiring an actor or actress where the sex-specific roles are necessary for the "purpose of authenticity or genuineness," see 29 C.F.R. -º 1604.2(a)(2).
Just as it is legal to not hire a jewish person to be a catholic priest. It is illegal to not hire a female jewish person for say, an accountant position at your all male catholic **** shop.
I never claimed otherwise.
But if you're going to argue that the trolls making kitchen jokes aren't Misogynist, I disagree.
Those that are claiming that subtle Institutionalized discrimination has no roots in racism/misogynism/heterosexism are vastly naive about how white/male privilege in the world works. Any basic race/gender statistics can show you the discrepancies that exist. |
Arcturus Archangel
Sons of Michael
61
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Posted - 2012.06.26 16:54:00 -
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Who wants to get a pedicure? Corporations and their Interstellar Kredits are soon parted. |
Jim Roebuck
The Suicide Express Sobriety Test Failures
9
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:02:00 -
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Do any of you posters here get it? There are NO girls on the internet. |
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highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
117
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:40:00 -
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There is a girl in my corp. There are a handful of females in the CFC, much to DBRB's dismay
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:04:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote: But if you're going to argue that the trolls making kitchen jokes aren't Misogynist, I disagree.
I absolutely do argue that.
My reasoning is that trolls by their nature will say or write things to provoke a reaction. I'd submit that one can repeat a joke like that without actually feeling the sentiment behind it. That doesn't make it morally good, but it does mean that someone can utter such a joke without actually being a misogynist.
This is actually one of the things that makes trolling with misogynist or racist jokes so bad. The person wants a response, but they rarely understand the reaction they provoke. The internet just doesn't provide the usual human mechanisms for empathy.
To be clear, I don't believe this excuses the behavior, but I do think it explains it without blunting the definition of misogynist. Why do I think it's important that the meaning remain undiluted? Actual misogyny probably requires treatment. Trolling with misogynist jokes requires a spanking. The meanings and distinctions lead to vastly different kinds of remediation, and I'd always rather a scalpel were applied than a shotgun where possible.
You're free to remain unpersuaded, however. |
Dark Eirlys
Tr0pa de elite. Against ALL Authorities
4
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:06:00 -
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Lina Alar wrote:Dark Eirlys wrote:yep Cad .. today i cooking chocolate cake ! Need a meme poster with the equivalent of C(yadayada) Bear saying "I Freaking Love Chocolate Cake!"
Sorry Chocolate cake is finished .. but i cooking Cheesecake today..if u want ..
http://darklovers.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/img_1522.jpg |
Aerethir El-Kharisti
25
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:46:00 -
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Dark Eirlys wrote:Lina Alar wrote:Dark Eirlys wrote:yep Cad .. today i cooking chocolate cake ! Need a meme poster with the equivalent of C(yadayada) Bear saying "I Freaking Love Chocolate Cake!" Sorry Chocolate cake is finished .. but i cooking Cheesecake today..if u want .. http://darklovers.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/img_1522.jpg
When chocolate and other desserts are appearing in a thread, I am generally interested in it. The rest I can't figure out for life. Is it about crossdressing, or the XX vs. XY thing
With great power comes great electricity bill. |
PinkKnife
The Scope Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2012.06.26 19:09:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote:PinkKnife wrote: But if you're going to argue that the trolls making kitchen jokes aren't Misogynist, I disagree.
I absolutely do argue that. My reasoning is that trolls by their nature will say or write things to provoke a reaction. I'd submit that one can repeat a joke like that without actually feeling the sentiment behind it. That doesn't make it morally good, but it does mean that someone can utter such a joke without actually being a misogynist. This is actually one of the things that makes trolling with misogynist or racist jokes so bad. The person wants a response, but they rarely understand the reaction they provoke. The internet just doesn't provide the usual human mechanisms for empathy. To be clear, I don't believe this excuses the behavior, but I do think it explains it without blunting the definition of misogynist. Why do I think it's important that the meaning remain undiluted? Actual misogyny probably requires treatment. Trolling with misogynist jokes requires a spanking. The meanings and distinctions lead to vastly different kinds of remediation, and I'd always rather a scalpel were applied than a shotgun where possible. You're free to remain unpersuaded, however.
That's a fair point. |
Dark Eirlys
Tr0pa de elite. Against ALL Authorities
4
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Posted - 2012.06.26 20:30:00 -
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Aerethir El-Kharisti wrote:When chocolate and other desserts are appearing in a thread, I am generally interested in it. The rest I can't figure out for life. Is it about crossdressing, or the XX vs. XY thing
Sorry, i love cooking
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Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.06.26 20:40:00 -
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So out of curiosity - when is this pointless dead-beaten horse debate going to end?
Don't you people have better things to do...like earning Isk?
Albeit I do like the off-topic of cooking! My part-time hobby is in fact just that as well. Amazing what a desperation towards a life of daily insta-noodles can do to you. Baking is still uncharted waters for me though |
Tyreul Severasse
Picorus Wonder Kids
2
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:04:00 -
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I can make pancakes and hotdogs. That's about it. Not together mind you. (Blech.) |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
161
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:59:00 -
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Should be careful mentioning your gender in EVE. There are true women gamers, I know a few. But most estimates I have heard (and I concur from my own experience) is that about 90% of EVE players are male. The women who don't flaunt their gender can often stay under the radar, but as soon as you start telling people, random creepy guys start flooding any and all chat channels you occupy and giving you random expensive gifts.
There are chat channels that already have several women, such as what Petrus Blackshell mentioned. Another great example is the neweden-radio channel which not only has a handful of women who frequent it, but the most popular DJ (DJ Tranze) is a very friendly lady who has a way of getting the party going.
Hope that helps! -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Steve Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.06.27 04:42:00 -
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Meh
To quote our Raid leader from another game who ended a argument over people who had Female toons by inviting everyone involved to chat on vent, where he bascialy continued his rant on the subject. the only thing the Raid leader said the entire time was
"Prove your a man and not just someone who happens to play with male toons, and maybee you will be worth knowing"
and then threw the idiot out of the guild.
Ironicaly none of his "Freinds" left with him. hes since moved to another server.
By the way theres no mistaking that the Raid leader is Female in vent.
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Steve Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.06.27 04:46:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Kuehnelt wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:I'm pretty sure they have a private channel for "confirmed" women. Player Gender/Military Confirmation Test, Question 1 (of 1) Q. Fill in the blank. "That ____ over there is named Jane. She is a ____ gamer." a. female, female b. woman, woman c. woman, female -- If A is selected, the respondent is a male veteran. If B is selected, the respondent is female. If C is selected, the respondent is male. I'm not sure... I'm a girl/female/woman and I didn't know the "correct" answer Im a born again Texan.
theres only one correct answer.
"That Lady over there is named Jane. Shes a gamer."
And Lady is correct. Untill proven beyond a doubt you treat anyone not male as a Lady. and theres no l in Lady. Ever. |
Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.06.27 04:54:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:I am a girl gamer, and people hate me. So if you are a girl gamer than keep it under wraps because people tend to get butthurt when you're better at everything than they are.
Implying females are not people.
That being said.
Sometimes i'm the girl.
Sometimes you're the girl.
It just depends which one of us got the lock on first. |
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
701
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:39:00 -
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Nyreanya wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:My sister plays Eve. My fiancee plays Eve. I hope you appreciate how lucky you are
Or how space poor. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Cadhla Ovsanna
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
5
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:57:00 -
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Arcturus Archangel wrote:Who wants to get a pedicure?
yes plz :) |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
162
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:03:00 -
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The only "girl gamers" I'm interested in meeting are the ones like Codex. All those women who play for attention, I don't give a damn about you. For every one of you, there are 5 or more women who play computer games because computer games are fun for humans. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
525
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Posted - 2012.07.21 21:24:00 -
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Xuse Senna wrote:I am Female, Free Stuff please.
THE POWER OF BOOBS COMPELS YOU
Nope, I'm a leg-man, myself.
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
525
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Posted - 2012.07.21 21:33:00 -
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Womyn Power wrote: [snipped the typical feminist victim-badge/martyr-complex bullshit]
How often do 'guy gamers' make threads asking about how many other guy gamers there are?
Who gives a ****?
This thread is clear attention whoring and your crocodile tears fool no one. You're not a martyr for anything, neither is any other girl who acts like being a girl who plays a videogame makes her somehow better than the multitudes of other people who play the game. It would be best to remind yourself that if you want true equality, what you have between your legs doesn't make you special or somehow more desirable than anyone else who has the same hobby as you. Hence the thread is clearly attention whoring.[/quote]
^^Yes, thank you!^^ (All others: I declare ^^this^^ an ::Offical GoodPoast(TM)::, and thus, [/thread])
Gods, feminists **** me off, man: Always having to turn everything into blaming someone else for their own damned faults, and expecting to dodge responsibility for same just because they're "oppressed" little snowflakes, this sheerly by dint of having vaginae.
I mean, really! It's a video-game, for Gods' sakes, who the f cares, and why the f should they? There are only other people, who also play EVE, some of whom happen to be female. That's it.
Grow up, girls!
Grrrrrrrr....[/mini-rant] In irae, veritas. |
AfgMErc
Within Epsilon Cutie Mark Acquisition Program
2
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Posted - 2012.07.21 21:44:00 -
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I'm a real girl, believe it! |
Katalci
Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp
103
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Posted - 2012.07.21 21:48:00 -
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Every corporation I've been in has been run by females. (Except the one I ran :o) You are not a special snowflake. |
Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
22
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Posted - 2012.07.21 22:14:00 -
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Im absolutely positive there are female EVE players.
Thing is, you should try narrowing your search down to A.) good looking females or B) all the other ones we wouldnt want to see anyways.
Sorry! Sorry! lol Join the Knights Of Illusion STE Corporation! Casual and Hardcore gamers! |
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