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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.23 01:55:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:When you have been in FW a few years you see the "Wheel of FW turn". Sides become dominant, sides become weaker....then a few months down the line something occurs (normally a power shift when a major corp leaves the dominnant or a major corp joins the weaker). It happens time and time again on all sides. However, Inferno brought massive changes to this and the wheel has hit bumpy ground. It will in time settle back down. Whether or not it's been buckled by half arsed implementation and poorly thought out consequences has yet to be seen. The Minmitar have the upper hand at the moment and more than likely they are enjoying their time on the wheel. Good for them However. Having the same abilities across the board for FW rats would balance it out and in time the Amarr/Minmitar front would balance out naturally during the war. No need for a reset. Sali
I predict the turning point will be when Fweddit is running 50 man Drake fleets instead of 50 man Thrasher fleets. :P Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Jones Bones
Imperial Outlaws
110
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Posted - 2012.06.23 02:20:00 -
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We'll see. Their members are already complaining about lack of funding for PVP on Reddit.
Why don't they just run plexes for an hour to buy a single Slicer to sell for 30m? I dunno. 30m/hr is excellent income. |
GenesisMike
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
26
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:55:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Mra Rednu wrote:
If you in it for the GF's and not just isk occupancy will effect you, unless you never fly without logi or leave a system you got docking rights in.
Confirming we never fly without logi and the only occasion on which we leave Kamela is via bridge, i'm not even sure how gates work anymore.
What the hell is a gate? |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
156
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:59:00 -
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GenesisMike wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:Mra Rednu wrote:
If you in it for the GF's and not just isk occupancy will effect you, unless you never fly without logi or leave a system you got docking rights in.
Confirming we never fly without logi and the only occasion on which we leave Kamela is via bridge, i'm not even sure how gates work anymore. What the hell is a gate?
Place where you usually make cyno to jump your capitals in.
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GenesisMike
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
26
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Posted - 2012.06.23 04:33:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:GenesisMike wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:Mra Rednu wrote:
If you in it for the GF's and not just isk occupancy will effect you, unless you never fly without logi or leave a system you got docking rights in.
Confirming we never fly without logi and the only occasion on which we leave Kamela is via bridge, i'm not even sure how gates work anymore. What the hell is a gate? Place where you usually make cyno to jump your capitals in.
Ahh, ok now I have an idea what you're talking about :) |
Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
175
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Posted - 2012.06.23 05:54:00 -
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Keep Dreaming http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
37
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:01:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:
Troll post .
Indeed, but some of us do leave Kamela and go for a gf and by gate, btw unsure how jumping a gate or using a bridge makes a jot of diference to you're troll but hey-ho, going half a dozen jumps to rep up after a fight is a ***** and does nothing to promote pvp. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
148
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:09:00 -
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Nobody likes Amarr anyway. Let'em rot. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
220
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:10:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote:
going half a dozen jumps to rep up after a fight is a ***** and does nothing to promote pvp.
That's why you bridge guardians too. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
37
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:25:00 -
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Lock out wrote:Mra Rednu wrote:
going half a dozen jumps to rep up after a fight is a ***** and does nothing to promote pvp.
That's why you bridge guardians too.
But by the time my neutral scout lights up and I get my Thrasher, neutral scouts, boosters, falcon alts and Guardians's through the bridge the rifter has jumped through the gate so I got to go do it all again, solo pvp really shouldn't be that hard...... |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
156
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Posted - 2012.06.23 09:13:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote:Lock out wrote:Mra Rednu wrote:
going half a dozen jumps to rep up after a fight is a ***** and does nothing to promote pvp.
That's why you bridge guardians too. But by the time my neutral scout lights up and I get my Thrasher, neutral scouts, boosters, falcon alts and Guardians's through the bridge the rifter has jumped through the gate so I got to go do it all again, solo pvp really shouldn't be that hard......
That is what player wanted. some reason to fight for !
I do not know what it is, but not station access i ques. |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.06.23 09:24:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:In light of the detrimental effects to the amarr miltia regarding the goonsploit, aiding minmatar with a huge boost to upgrades and making them the no brainer FW faction to join: while amarr hemorrhage good players new and old.
Can we get that system reset now please ccp?
The past month we have tryed hard and only lost good men while the minnies swell up with players from all the shiney benefits, now exploited LP upgrading their systems gave them. What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. pew pew |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
329
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Posted - 2012.06.24 04:28:00 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station.
Your are correct.
But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time.
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Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
175
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Posted - 2012.06.24 06:21:00 -
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To bad.
http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
314
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:48:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Zen Guerrilla wrote:What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Your are correct. But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time.
We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
211
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Posted - 2012.06.24 08:06:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Zen Guerrilla wrote:What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Your are correct. But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time. We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional. You seem to be discounting the change in Inferno that dropped the VP payout to 20% of pre-patch levels. Meaning what used to take 5-6 hours of plexing now takes over a day... Meaning it has to be a concerted 23.5 hour push to take an uncontested system assuming no defence.
Now, the fact neither side seems that interested in defensive plexing is an issue due to the lack of rewards for doing it. Its boring and for the Amarr, there's no PvP - just 1 week old chars in the minmitar militia with no weapons fitted, just speed mods and warp core stabs. Why won't CCP fix the ongoing FW issues? NPC balance, timer bugs etc??? |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
314
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:13:00 -
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Har Harrison wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Zen Guerrilla wrote:What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Your are correct. But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time. We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional. You seem to be discounting the change in Inferno that dropped the VP payout to 20% of pre-patch levels. Meaning what used to take 5-6 hours of plexing now takes over a day... Meaning it has to be a concerted 23.5 hour push to take an uncontested system assuming no defence. Now, the fact neither side seems that interested in defensive plexing is an issue due to the lack of rewards for doing it. Its boring and for the Amarr, there's no PvP - just 1 week old chars in the minmitar militia with no weapons fitted, just speed mods and warp core stabs.
That change in mechanic isn't inherently unbalanced. It wasn't CCP's fault that we had more systems than the Amarr when Inferno hit and nothing CCP did gave us those systems. It was our own drive and motivation that caused us to mobilize and push hard for systems. Many of the Amarr either didn't care or decided that instead of similarly cooperating and mobilizing all of their forces across Timezones that they would evac their assets and then jump on the forums and complain about how unfair life was.
1 week old characters speed tanking Major plexes really had nothing to do with why you guys got crushed. It was the hard work of Annah Kitheran and the FCs and Leadership of the Minmatar Militia that made the flurry of system-captures possible leading up to Inferno.
However, I agree that it is bullshit that the NPCs are unbalanced in our favor and that it needs to be changed. But blaming everything on that sole fact is naive. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
81
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:15:00 -
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So I stopped using amarr FW as a playground for pvp and actually went to try plexing for a week. EPIC MISTAKE
TL:DR The organisation required to actually take back systems to an even level and keep it there is not worth the time for those involved. No one.. at all.
I tried plexing for a week... NEVER AGAIN and for the love of god I advise anyone that sticks that amount of time in to actually do something interesting. That could be mining btw.... and I hate mining.
This is my thought process.
I play EVE for pvp.
If you wish to join faction warfare to make a positive difference for that faction by plexing and taking systems you MUST NOT PVP. Why? because the time spent reshipping and heading home can be reduced by just running from a fight and heading to the next plex to bounce timers. Fighting is actually ******** if you want to cap plexes... for both offensive and defensive plexing.
So apparently, if I want GF's I can't actually engage in FW?
To actually regain systems a side not only has to equal their opponents efforts but significantly exceed them. Once you have a system all you need to do is stick a 1 day old alt in a plex and bounce them in system to deplex.
For the amarr though the problem is there are so few systems to start with under our control that that's very hard simply because the minmatar only need travel to a handful of systems to fight. Amarr on the other hand must focus our efforts defensively at a major level AND attempt to plex sites offensively that require decent ships to actually finish in a grand scale.
I'm not moaning though, I joined FW for pvp.. got it and tried the actual mechanics of FW out. I shall go back to what I was doing beforehand and get some pvp in. I feel very sorry for anyone that actually cares about amarr SOV. Good luck organising what's needed to get us back to an even keel...... what will have to happen is that half the minmatar leave because they got bored. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
206
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Posted - 2012.06.24 13:06:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:.... *Cough*
Shakorites have only the illusion of an epeen to stroke so you might as well stop doing it in public, makes you look 'off''. Everything sov/occupancy related the Shakorites have achieved in the past and present is entirely and completely due to the utterly broken plexing mechanics .. ie. not your organization, leet pew, massive blobs, village idiots or turnip soup.
Bragging about how :awesome: you are in the sov/occupancy war with mechanics as lopsided as they are, is like a guy winning the lottery and claiming to be a financial genius.
But take heart, it seems CCP is intent on breaking FW even more before they set about fixing it .. so come 1.1 (eWar removal) and FW will be 10% gatecamps and 90% AB frigates passing each other in the night. Gonna be AWESOME! |
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
11
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Posted - 2012.06.24 13:08:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:All i read in this thread is 'no i can't put an alt into minmatar militia to run missions because :RP:' and if you say you're not in it for the ISK but the goodfites, well then the whole occupancy aspect doesn't affect you anyways unless you're a pansy. Not sure what so many Amarr are complaining about :workingasintended: Ninja edit: don't play the "but i can't dock card" now because you'll always be able to dock in Kamela, unless maybe Minmatar bring caldari with their massive cap fleet into Kamela to evict us *hint hint*
Quote before edit/delete.
And to people in Caldari: stop hating Amarr because of a few dickheads. |
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
133
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Posted - 2012.06.24 13:43:00 -
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Cynthia Nezmor wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:All i read in this thread is 'no i can't put an alt into minmatar militia to run missions because :RP:' and if you say you're not in it for the ISK but the goodfites, well then the whole occupancy aspect doesn't affect you anyways unless you're a pansy. Not sure what so many Amarr are complaining about :workingasintended: Ninja edit: don't play the "but i can't dock card" now because you'll always be able to dock in Kamela, unless maybe Minmatar bring caldari with their massive cap fleet into Kamela to evict us *hint hint* Quote before edit/delete. And to people in Caldari: stop hating Amarr because of a few dickheads.
we know ... kinda funny we agree in CEO chat we have just few special Amarr dickheads to hate .... sigh
to the topic
ad reset - will not happen and will not change/solve anything - I expect same topic from Gallente in 2 months, Caldari in 4 months and Minmatar in random time (cough CVA cough) ad plexing after rehaul - sucks but gives u some isk. It requires same amount of organization like before and it is easier to defend ur homebases (till some 24/7 alliance arrives and decides it is time for ur to pack ur stuff) ad roaming in current system - well i see most of us are stick to much smaller space now (even if it logicaly doesnt make sense).
So yes CCP made it - marketing wise they brought new people in (and many disgusted out) - we killed so many noobs in past month i cannot believe, they ****** up game and lp system (bravo to goons) and make it more exploitable for big corps. Make it more bloby (we have our own blob too - blob here, blob there) and reduced roaming gangs ops inside FW. In general we adapted and if you choose right systems and buddies u can have fun in all parts of eve, but FW system is now in middle of nowhere with new bugs which needs to be fixes and with no serious vision or perspective ahead (developers working on something diferent and CSM dont carenow). IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
124
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Posted - 2012.06.24 16:43:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote: The only thing that should, and CCP Shregs already stated that will happen. Is a few perma bans and a few negative ISK balances...
so the isk that was made to be removed: but the LP that upgraded the systems that caused the window of exploit to open remains in and the knock on effects, left for the amarr to pick up the pieces? That makes sense to you? ooooooookay /logicfail a great example of how goons aren't here to destroy THE GAME, just YOUR GAME...
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
314
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Posted - 2012.06.25 04:56:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:.... *Cough* Shakorites have only the illusion of an epeen to stroke so you might as well stop doing it in public, makes you look 'off''. Everything sov/occupancy related the Shakorites have achieved in the past and present is entirely and completely due to the utterly broken plexing mechanics .. ie. not your organization, leet pew, massive blobs, village idiots or turnip soup. Bragging about how :awesome: you are in the sov/occupancy war with mechanics as lopsided as they are, is like a guy winning the lottery and claiming to be a financial genius. But take heart, it seems CCP is intent on breaking FW even more before they set about fixing it .. so come 1.1 (eWar removal) and FW will be 10% gatecamps and 90% AB frigates passing each other in the night. Gonna be AWESOME!
Have you even been in FW in the past 3 months? LOL. Can you find some other thread to be irrelevant in? Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
331
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Posted - 2012.06.25 05:30:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Zen Guerrilla wrote:What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Your are correct. But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time. We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional.
And we held Auga for a year before that and fought back and forth right upto patch day, you had more people and tz coverage for the 4 hour flip - exactly my point you dont deserve the systems taken before - and you didnt deserve the players and isk you got like goons propped you up with t4/5.
thanks for helping me prove my point.
I want a system reset and understand we will still not have Auga, but we will get to fight for it fairly, not scared of a little fairness are you? :P http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
133
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Posted - 2012.06.25 05:39:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Zen Guerrilla wrote:What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Your are correct. But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time. We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional. And we held Auga for a year before that and fought back and forth right upto patch day, you had more people and tz coverage for the 4 hour flip - exactly my point you dont deserve the systems taken before - and you didnt deserve the players and isk you got like goons propped you up with t4/5. thanks for helping me prove my point. I want a system reset and understand we will still not have Auga, but we will get to fight for it fairly, not scared of a little fairness are you? :P
Eve is/was never fair ....
... actually CCP does not have it in their base .... that is why is EVE so hard for noobs.
... well we all know CCP Ytterdiot will never allow the prove of changes he did are wrong ... right? So this thread is kinda useless. IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
314
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Posted - 2012.06.25 06:15:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Zen Guerrilla wrote:What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Your are correct. But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time. We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional. And we held Auga for a year before that and fought back and forth right upto patch day, you had more people and tz coverage for the 4 hour flip - exactly my point you dont deserve the systems taken before - and you didnt deserve the players and isk you got like goons propped you up with t4/5. thanks for helping me prove my point. I want a system reset and understand we will still not have Auga, but we will get to fight for it fairly, not scared of a little fairness are you? :P
Yeah, and you lost it.
It's CCP's problem that we had more people or better cross-TZ communication/coordination? It's CCP's problem that we didn't "deserve the players" (what the **** that even mean?) Goons had nothing to do with our dominance of the warzone pre-Inferno and arguably post-Inferno too. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
331
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Posted - 2012.06.25 06:42:00 -
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no body on the minm side but roobosasa cared about systems till the patch notes came out, then minmatarr used their numbers around the tz to take our stuff.
you earned your systems before we could get the numbers around the clock to defend them and or take yours effectivly, minmatar were at a major advantage from a mechanic change and managed to hold them till the patch came in at which point the 4 hours after DT changed to 2 days solid plexing.
and you think you deserved any of those?
As to the minmattar gaining many players from the t4/t5 situation caused by the LP dumps from goons? how do you not see that?
new player sees fw changes, looks at factions, sees minmatar at t4/5, makes alt joins, makes the already heavily outnumbered amarr even harder to fight back. - its pretty simple.
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
314
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Posted - 2012.06.25 07:06:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:no body on the minm side but roobosasa cared about systems till the patch notes came out, then minmatarr used their numbers around the tz to take our stuff.
you earned your systems before we could get the numbers around the clock to defend them and or take yours effectivly, minmatar were at a major advantage from a mechanic change and managed to hold them till the patch came in at which point the 4 hours after DT changed to 2 days solid plexing.
and you think you deserved any of those?
As to the minmattar gaining many players from the t4/t5 situation caused by the LP dumps from goons? how do you not see that?
new player sees fw changes, looks at factions, sees minmatar at t4/5, makes alt joins, makes the already heavily outnumbered amarr even harder to fight back. - its pretty simple.
Yeah, we had the assets and people available to take advantage of the fact the system was changing. How is it our (or CCP's) fault that the Amarr didn't? Life's unfair, get over it.
Gaining many players? You mean, gaining mission farming alts and ****? Who gives a **** they don't benefit us. We sent every able-bodied PvP'r to the Amarr militia. You guys have **** tons of #s now, its not our fault you still don't coordinate. (Although you have been more lately, good for you.) I mean... Fweddit? New Eden Renegades? Moar Tears? and I can name countless others.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
331
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Posted - 2012.06.25 07:10:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:
Yeah, we had the assets and people available to take advantage of the fact the system was changing. How is it our (or CCP's) fault that the Amarr didn't? Life's unfair, get over it.
Gaining many players? You mean, gaining mission farming alts and ****? Who gives a **** they don't benefit us. We sent every able-bodied PvP'r to the Amarr militia. You guys have **** tons of #s now, its not our fault you still don't coordinate. (Although you have been more lately, good for you.) I mean... Fweddit? New Eden Renegades? Moar Tears? and I can name countless others.
please calm down, i at no point said that its any players fault, its ccps and their broken bugged and exploitable mechanics.
The minmatar attitude to this is "screw you we are winning try harder" i am simply pointing out that this would not have been achieved without ccps intervention and that your efforts multiplied by the sway of the ongoing war at the time.
Have no doubt that if this patch happened a year ago+ we would likly be having the same discussion on opposing ends of the argument.
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Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
34
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Posted - 2012.06.25 07:22:00 -
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Amarr Victor! Shackle all the slaves! Burn the heretics!
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