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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.25 10:34:00 -
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Capitol One wrote:Amarr Victor! Shackle all the slaves! Burn the heretics!
and work with Gallente ... right WBR? IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
42
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Posted - 2012.06.25 11:20:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:We dont need a reset. We need to remove LP from plexing once again until a better system for occupancy is devised and actual real dev time spend on implementing it. Also, revise the tier system so people can have some balance in their ability to afford ships for PvP. What you have at stake here? You are part of a faction who does not want fights but remove your enemy entirely from face of low-sec. You have yourself said that "Occupancy does not interest me" since you can supposedly just go pirate on your whim. You have also hinted that you have ran so many missions that isk should not be a concern for you. So am I right that basicly you want to have your cake and eat it too by being a low-sec pirate AND have legit wartargets whom you dont have to worry sentryguns about AND you want to be able to dock whereever you want since camping stations with instalockers is pr0-pvp and docking in hostile occupancy is perfectly normal?
Damar is mad; success, even though i have no idea what he's raving about this time
-edit I'm fairly shure i butchered the punctuation there but, oh well SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars |
nasty1
R-.A.-G.-E
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Posted - 2012.06.25 12:02:00 -
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Amarr have lost their passion, it's interesting to see over the years the fighting, the crying, the wonderful people that have passed through the militia's.
Goons could have joined any side, I don't think their impact is as much as people think.
amarr was more focused on station camping, even when no one was in the station amarr would still camp it, amarr militia got fragmented over time unfortunately
minmatar have always kept their passion and been very disorganised, thanks to a few prominent people on our side, we managed to organise and we beat amarr while they were disorganised ( court them with their pants down ) which is not hard because weekdays they love hugging trees.
I too think there should be a reset, the whole four militia's because it's a new age, it's a new dawn and the sun is shining out of Uranus ( sounded funny in my head ) Gee
It was mostly minmatar's hard work that bought amarr to its knees, the likes of sasa and a few other fantastic people, you know who you are, they had passion, they had focus, they had goal's and they didn't station camp empty stations and flap their arms around.
The news that goons helped is very surprising to me, all I ever saw was the hard work that sasa and co put into making things happen.
If there's anyone to blame for the breakdown of amarr then it's got to be the station campers and the fragmentation, the loss of passion, you need to put effort into the game to make things happen, amarr didn't do this as a whole, where minmatar got organised and some people went beyond their duty and stayed up countless hours, I wasn't one of these great people by the way, just thought I would say.
But I would love to see a reset because you will see our passion and you will lose again
just my thoughts on the subject |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
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Posted - 2012.06.25 12:10:00 -
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To the OP. HTFU and undock and fight for it. Power is never given it is taken.
To be honest for over two months I have tried and tried again to set up proper fleets with inter amarr corporation co-ordination and time and time again came up short when looking at the opposition.
The problem was never the people that fleeted up with my fleets. Lord knows they gave it their all and went down in flames on my command on more than one occasion. For that I salute all the amarr that fleeted with me.
Fweddit will always have a special place in my heart because even though some of their leadership had 0.0 fat cat alts with supercapitols and titans they never saw themselves above getting into a frigate/destroyer/cruiser and dying in a ball of flames laughing on comms having a blast. (there is a certain Fweddit fleet comms recording that I believe is illigal in 13 of the 50 States of the United States. Just ask around for the link and see how much fun they are having).
My dissapointment lies with the so called 'seniors' of the Amarr Militia. The ones that have the ability to enforce pick-up fleets with proper logistics/scouting/leadership/target calling/input and unleash holy hell. I am looking at TMFED/WBR/ILAW etc. While I love most of the pilots in these three specific corps to death and have long standing relationships with many of them that date back to my rookie days in the caldari militia. I found a distinct lack of willingness to take co-ordination to a level on par with how the minmatar co-ordinate amongst themselves.
Each 'big-wig' corp has there own separate comms. And senior pilots consider shipping down from guardian/abbadon/T3 fleets to be blasphemy.
'ME?!?! ship down to a frigate or thrasher and pew pew?! BLASPHEMY!. I am to cool to be seen in anything that does not cost at least 250 million isk.!"
Problem with the 250 million isk ship is they wont undock without logistics. Thus the vicious cycle. I'm just going to undock from Kamela station with my Vindicator/Eos/Bhaalgorn every once in a while to remind myself I can fly this ship. Being way to cool to fly anything as 'mundane' as a stabber/rupture/cormorant/thrasher/blackbird'. Those are for pubbies. I am an elite pvper....ad nausiem
I found an opportunity to go back to Caldari space with some of my favorite wingman. People I enjoy flying with as well as a chance to fly against/with some old friends/enemies from the Gallente/Caldari conflict.
While some may say I am hightailing it to where the grass is greener and isk is easier to make. I assure you isk is a Visa transaction away from me as I am a working man and have little time to grind for my isk anyway. I want to log in/undock in whatever I can/want to fly and pvp. And in the past two months going through failure to another failure to capture/hold onto a few systems with fleets I gathered from the general militia while the 'senior' pilots stood by and watched became to much. I based my happiness in the game around how well my faction was doing. THIS WAS MY MISTAKE. A mistake I plan on correcting as of this post.
I look forward to flying with some old Caldari Friends again. And bid a good number of Amarr friends behind knowing that I have made many in my time in Amarr FW.
Getting back to not taking the responsibility of the well being of my faction as my concern and refocus on flying with people I love to fly with and have a blast regardless of who owns what systems and at what tier is my faction on.
To the Amarr 07 To the Caldari................I dedicate Ozzy Osbornes' song "Momma I'm coming Home" to you. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
331
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Posted - 2012.06.25 12:24:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:TL;DR
Tried, failed, fled to caldari again.
Im going to stay and against all odds, win back the amarr space and then the minnies space and when i do im going to stuff it down their throats so hard they will prey for death.
Enjoy your old caldari friends Mantis, im sure they will look forward to taking you back under their wing, your failed desperate heads hung as low as your passion to fight for anything.
Just be known minmaturds, you may be enjoying a ccp aided victory through luck and moving of goal posts, but our final victory made all the sweeter, riding my boat, aptly named "Amarr Victor" on the sea of your tears.
The days of reckoning are coming heathens, you will realize that your short lived time at the top will come crashing down around you and your so called friends will run and flip sides to gather whats left of their lives, as your shortly lived dreams crumble down around you all.
RP is fun.
love you all <3 http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
188
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Posted - 2012.06.25 12:49:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:
Im going to stay and against all odds, win back the amarr space and then the minnies space and when i do im going to stuff it down their throats so hard they will prey for death.
This is a good start. The whole let me ***** at CCP some more will do nothing. To pull off a victory with these odds stacked up against you would be shoving your fist and foot down the minnie mouth. Only problem is the need to adapt.
Will the seniors like yourself/WBR etc. adapt from the old days of 'hot drop o clock' to 'GASP' get into a cruiser/bc/frigate and lead a good old fun fleet to plex and take it back? Or will the 'seniors' just sit back and station spin in kamela while they are alt tabbed on their minmatar alts making isk?
I hope my friends in WBR don't take my comments as a personal attack. I just miss the days when WBR where the de facto movers and shakers of any faction they joined to the passive 'isk isk and more isk' pilots they have become today. A good portion of them made isk the way instead of the means.
Look forward to hearing the good news and Amarr really swinging the tide. In the meantime as I said I need to stop linking my in game happiness to how well my faction is doing to how much fun I have flying, winning and losing with people I truly enjoy in my fleet.
<3 You all
-Mantis Out
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Smegma Cheesedog
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.25 12:55:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Do i really expect CCP to wade in and reset the amarr/minmatar front, after they did not reset before the patch when minnies steamrollered amarr systems in anticipation of the patch?: no.
But its free to ask,while backing it up with a reasonable debate.
I need to stick to the free stuff, since my isk making and pvp career got harpooned from every angle.
your tears are juicy Mr. Timberlake
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Wenron
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.06.25 13:54:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:
Just be known minmaturds, you may be enjoying a ccp aided victory through luck and moving of goal posts, but our final victory made all the sweeter, riding my boat, aptly named "Amarr Victor" on the sea of your tears.
The days of reckoning are coming heathens, you will realize that your short lived time at the top will come crashing down around you and your so called friends will run and flip sides to gather whats left of their lives, as your shortly lived dreams crumble down around you all.
RP is fun.
love you all <3
There is some spunk!
Bring it slaver. You will know the pain of seeing all that you hold dear at the mercy of the tribes. Your god will forsake you and your empress shall be put to work in our seediest pleasure hub.
<3 the pissed off former slaves. |
Zarnak Wulf
The Roaches
389
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Posted - 2012.06.25 14:12:00 -
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Five pages? WTF? The only argument response at this point should be coming at muzzle velocity. |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
45
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Posted - 2012.06.25 16:50:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:
Im going to stay and against all odds, win back the amarr space and then the minnies space and when i do im going to stuff it down their throats so hard they will prey for death.
This is a good start. The whole let me ***** at CCP some more will do nothing. To pull off a victory with these odds stacked up against you would be shoving your fist and foot down the minnie mouth. Only problem is the need to adapt. Will the seniors like yourself/WBR etc. adapt from the old days of 'hot drop o clock' to 'GASP' get into a cruiser/bc/frigate and lead a good old fun fleet to plex and take it back? Or will the 'seniors' just sit back and station spin in kamela while they are alt tabbed on their minmatar alts making isk? I hope my friends in WBR don't take my comments as a personal attack. I just miss the days when WBR where the de facto movers and shakers of any faction they joined to the passive 'isk isk and more isk' pilots they have become today. A good portion of them made isk the way instead of the means. Look forward to hearing the good news and Amarr really swinging the tide. In the meantime as I said I need to stop linking my in game happiness to how well my faction is doing to how much fun I have flying, winning and losing with people I truly enjoy in my fleet. <3 You all -Mantis Out
<3 To be fair we tried. But general militia called us all elitist pricks and ****** us off (well before inferno details were announced). Now they expect us to hold their hand now it means something.
They had every option to join with us, many did. But the same old stuff of "what ship do you need? oh, Armour, let me travel to Amarr for one" or "Can I bring a drake to your logi gang" isn't good in anyones books.
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Ash Stewart
The Tenori Tigers Zombie Ninja Space Bears
5
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Posted - 2012.06.27 02:12:00 -
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subtle turtle wrote:For the minimatar who claim that the goon intervention didn't help them and OMG WE HOLD 56 SYSTEMS BECAUSE WE ARE SOOOO GOOOOD, you don't think that the influx of plexing alts helped? I know that a HUGE number of amarr pilots even had plexing alts, working against their own side, because the rewards were too much to resist. Also, an IN slicer for plexing or PVP is very pricey for an Amarr pilot on LP, a SFI costs you less than a frigate for us. Do you think that this had NOTHING to do with your ability to control systems? I have spent the past month plexing up systems, defensive plexing (for 0 reward) and PVPing to help the amarr side. It felt like CRAP to plex all day, yet still see you guys at tier 4 or 5 the next morning. It felt even worse to discover that there was a reason for this beyond the broken mechanics of the plexing system, the clearly unfair NPC balance, and the disorganization on the Amarr side. I went out to plex last night, then decided "screw it, it's not worth working against this stupid mechanic any more." We don't need a system reset. However, I feel like every amarr pilot needs to petition EVERY LOST SHIP for the last month, since we lost them fighting against a broken mechanic that we had no chance of winning against. If you Minimatar think that this whole thing was OK, and that the "whole thing will balance out in the end" SCREW YOU. You should be just as pissed as we are about a stupid game mechanic favoring one side. I was very excited by the changes, those first few days after the patch were AWESOME, getting fights, making ISK, and enjoying the prospect of a new warzone. Since then it has been a demoralizing slog through stupid plex after stupid plex, and the fact that we had no chance of ever making progress or bumping up a tier just proves how broken this system is.
We have a hard slog defencive plexing our systems for no gain too! And yes, its painful, its boring..............we hate it!
I honestly believe that we need some LP for defencive plexing too (though not as much as offensive plexing) to take the sting off it. By the way, FWEDDIT ARE REALLY DAMAGING OUR STORE RIGHT NOW.. so you guys ARE picking up the game. .................It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight Risin' up to the challenge of our rival And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night And he's watchin' us all with the eye of the tiger............... |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
81
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:16:00 -
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FWEDDIT are awesome... however its not just fweddit.
Many corps in amarr or at least some members in them are trying hard with the time they have plexing and mixing in pew time. It's good to see some fog and gloom lifting in militia chat, long slog ahead though for us. to even consider using LP for system control we have some hard work ahead heh.
P.S. **** me plexing sucks ass. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
214
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:22:00 -
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Ash Stewart wrote:subtle turtle wrote:For the minimatar who claim that the goon intervention didn't help them and OMG WE HOLD 56 SYSTEMS BECAUSE WE ARE SOOOO GOOOOD, you don't think that the influx of plexing alts helped? I know that a HUGE number of amarr pilots even had plexing alts, working against their own side, because the rewards were too much to resist. Also, an IN slicer for plexing or PVP is very pricey for an Amarr pilot on LP, a SFI costs you less than a frigate for us. Do you think that this had NOTHING to do with your ability to control systems? I have spent the past month plexing up systems, defensive plexing (for 0 reward) and PVPing to help the amarr side. It felt like CRAP to plex all day, yet still see you guys at tier 4 or 5 the next morning. It felt even worse to discover that there was a reason for this beyond the broken mechanics of the plexing system, the clearly unfair NPC balance, and the disorganization on the Amarr side. I went out to plex last night, then decided "screw it, it's not worth working against this stupid mechanic any more." We don't need a system reset. However, I feel like every amarr pilot needs to petition EVERY LOST SHIP for the last month, since we lost them fighting against a broken mechanic that we had no chance of winning against. If you Minimatar think that this whole thing was OK, and that the "whole thing will balance out in the end" SCREW YOU. You should be just as pissed as we are about a stupid game mechanic favoring one side. I was very excited by the changes, those first few days after the patch were AWESOME, getting fights, making ISK, and enjoying the prospect of a new warzone. Since then it has been a demoralizing slog through stupid plex after stupid plex, and the fact that we had no chance of ever making progress or bumping up a tier just proves how broken this system is. We have a hard slog defencive plexing our systems for no gain too! And yes, its painful, its boring..............we hate it! I honestly believe that we need some LP for defencive plexing too (though not as much as offensive plexing) to take the sting off it. By the way, FWEDDIT ARE REALLY DAMAGING OUR STORE RIGHT NOW.. so you guys ARE picking up the game. Have the Minnies just realised what a difference the E-War (Target Painters) their NPCs had was making. No goons propping you up AND the removal of E-War which made speed tanking a somewhat viable proposition for Amarr Militia and your LP store has crashed... Why won't CCP fix the ongoing FW issues? Fix the speed tanking of plexes |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
214
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Posted - 2012.06.29 03:48:00 -
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Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:...P.S. **** me plexing sucks ass. Could be worse. It could be pure EHP grind like in null ....
Har Harrison wrote:Have the Minnies just realised what a difference the E-War (Target Painters) their NPCs had was making.... What ever do you mean, everything was Fair and BalancedGäó, now CCP broke it!!! ..
Kidding aside, how much of a difference does the removal of the painters make for the solo endeavour? |
Kary Franks
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.06.29 07:18:00 -
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I don't understand why some of the Amarr want a reset.
1) Goons chose Minmatar FW because we already had the systems under control (no need to participate in flipping systems) 2) They only needed initial LP investment for LP Store items 3) They manipulated and got all the LP for the operation 4) Upgrade systems to get best store 5) Cash in
The Goons did not really need to grind plexes that much to get the initial LP needed for the op. They just "bought" more lp once they got the initial LP.
In my opinion their contribution to plexing has been exaggerated.
Also.
I see Amarr speedtankers plexing in our plexes. Sure you need more training than 1 week to manage it, but not that much more. I hope CCP changes the mechanics so that you need to clear the rats in plexes to capture it. Timer is just silly. But the mechanic is what is it atm and hope it becomes better in the future.
As for LP farming system dominance has its downside too. Amarr can plex in more systems and that way it is easier and once you get that LP store running at some point you can cash in with your saved up LPs. For us the plexing LP and missioning is harder due to lesser amount of systems (more wts present to interfere). So there is a balance of sort in the FW eventhough you don't always see it.
Just undock and get out there. Do plexes and fight. FW has been a lot more fun after Inferno and we have had lots of fights and locals are filled with gfs. (and BIG PLAYS) which reminds me... extra special thanks to Fweddit. You guys are the best! |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
214
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Posted - 2012.06.29 09:14:00 -
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Kary Franks wrote:I don't understand why some of the Amarr want a reset.
1) Goons chose Minmatar FW because we already had the systems under control (no need to participate in flipping systems) 2) They only needed initial LP investment for LP Store items 3) They manipulated and got all the LP for the operation 4) Upgrade systems to get best store 5) Cash in
The Goons did not really need to grind plexes that much to get the initial LP needed for the op. They just "bought" more lp once they got the initial LP.
In my opinion their contribution to plexing has been exaggerated.
Also.
I see Amarr speedtankers plexing in our plexes. Sure you need more training than 1 week to manage it, but not that much more. I hope CCP changes the mechanics so that you need to clear the rats in plexes to capture it. Timer is just silly. But the mechanic is what is it atm and hope it becomes better in the future.
As for LP farming system dominance has its downside too. Amarr can plex in more systems and that way it is easier and once you get that LP store running at some point you can cash in with your saved up LPs. For us the plexing LP and missioning is harder due to lesser amount of systems (more wts present to interfere). So there is a balance of sort in the FW eventhough you don't always see it.
Just undock and get out there. Do plexes and fight. FW has been a lot more fun after Inferno and we have had lots of fights and locals are filled with gfs. (and BIG PLAYS) which reminds me... extra special thanks to Fweddit. You guys are the best! NOW that Amarr can speed tank, we are starting to see more Minnies asking for plexing balance to remove speed tanking. Lulz. Welcome to what Amarr have had to deal with for years... Why won't CCP fix the ongoing FW issues? Fix the speed tanking of plexes
CCP Sreegs - I'm just Winston Wolf |
Kary Franks
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.06.29 10:34:00 -
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Har Harrison wrote:NOW that Amarr can speed tank, we are starting to see more Minnies asking for plexing balance to remove speed tanking. Lulz. Welcome to what Amarr have had to deal with for years...
You imply that I care about your speed tanking. I was giving your previous solution +1. Current plexes do not feel realistic and that is why I'd like them to be different. It should feel like you warp in and destroy the opposing forces and lay waste to their outpost. Current timer is.... well lame. Anyways.... that is what we have atm and you just need to adapt. Hope it gets better in the future.
With Amarr speedtankers I meant that even before the removal of EWAR there have been Amarr frigs capturing our plexes solo. I should have been more precise with my text.
Anyway. What you really need to ask yourself is why have we been able to plex solo in your systems safely. I mean it is not very hard to undock and go chase out plexers from your systems. However, for some reason it is very easy to do plexes in your systems (even if they have amarr presence in system). Are the doughnuts in the station cafeteria that good, that you don't bother to undock to protect your system? Oh right, no LP from that.
I am happy to hunt the speed tanking Amarr plexers in our systems. I suggest you do the same. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
311
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Posted - 2012.06.29 13:36:00 -
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Plexes should be something like this.
-Warp in, there is a spawn of NPC. This is a fairly easily dealt with spawn relative to plex size. -Sit on button as usual. -No further NPC spawn until 1 minute before completion of timer. -At the last minute another larger 'reinforcement spawn' arrives and also has to be despatched to complete the plex even if the timer reaches complete.
In a major plex, for example, it should be possible for a solo ship to deal with the NPC, but if you want to kill the spawn faster and complete the plex within the last minute of the timer you may need to bring a couple of wingmen so you are not still killing NPC's long after the timer finishes.
The advantage here is that if it looks like there is going to be some PvP coming your way, you can simply avoid running the timer into the last minute until the fight is over. I realise the scope for abuse here, but you will see it coming a mile off.
This gives a very large window for PvP to happen without NPC interference. But also means that people plexing have to actually fit some guns and chose a plex in keeping with the size and capability of ship they are willing to risk.
Combine that with timers counting backwards once the plex is vacated without being completed and i think you have moved the emphasis of plexing towards the PvP end of things.
Perhaps, if the plex counts all the way back to zero, the NPC spawns and such reset. |
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