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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
385
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Posted - 2011.11.23 05:32:00 -
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Took a peek to the latest RC version in SiSi and in my mind the new font is usable with 90% scaling now, but...
It still has very much uniformity issues what comes to font sizes in different places Numbers are not fixed width. Letter spacing seems to be way too big while using some of the smallest font sizes in chat. Name list font size doesn't scale down with the chat font and that looks bit odd as the default name list font is such big. It becomes bit grainy on some tool tips (check wallet balance for example). Feature to lock down windows to their places has been removed due to technical reasons (= new font or scaling killed it).
However there has been plenty of improvement from the "1st version" and the scaling in general has been really welcome. I find current status of UI acceptable with the given time and modifications they had to do in such short time, but looking forward to some finishing touches in the future .
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
43
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Posted - 2011.11.24 13:16:00 -
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The font isn't too large - it's too fat... Besides that my 21" 4:3 screen is too small
Seriously I like the new font. I like it BECAUSE it feels oldskool. My only problem is that my head starts hurting when I try to read an in-game description of something. Im not kidding and maybe I need glasses but I'm 100% honest about this...
Also I have trouble seeing dots and commas...
ALSO: When using calculators and numbers many of us euros are using commas before decimals instead of dots. like 1.000.000,00 instead of 1,000,000.00 -> could we plz have commas working like dots for calculator/number entries? Our keyboards are designed for it and it's annoying to pay 100x the price of something because we were supposed to use a DOT instead of a comma.
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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
24
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Posted - 2011.11.25 01:59:00 -
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I want the old font, I like the UI having things in all caps. I don't like this change at all.
for me it wasn't broken, but now it's being 'fixed' and I can't opt out of this and use the old.
I don't really care about technical issues, it makes me unhappy. |
Endymi Typhirr
20
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Posted - 2011.11.25 07:31:00 -
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Chief issue? The new font is TOO FREAKING BIG at 100% scaling, while the 90% scaling isn't polished enough (for those on the usual 96-110 PPI screens) and makes the "smaller font sizes at 100%" (such as small labels) horrifically uncomfortable to read. Additionally, the larger fonts in the small text areas under things such as module icons in the hanger makes the longer names of modules/ships nearly impossible to differentiate without hovering them. For example, in icon view, I now have to hover several rigs until the full name tooltip is displayed just to tell them apart, or switch my view to list or details views, which affects workflow greatly and makes icon view a very tedious method of navigating the UI. This hurts user experience.
Note: I have better than "perfect" (aka 20:20) eyesight. I'm big on typography. I do design work and dabble in UX. What has been done so far is incomplete and not ready for release.
If people have bigger screens and want to see things from further away, the larger scaling is perfect. The scaling over 100% looks and works wonderfully for these folks. However, for everyone else, you're not merely robbing us of what was a workable font size (given the UI that we must work with), but actually hurting usability. Does anyone at CCP do these kinds of studies? Merely examining the consequences of the font size change for a few minutes could get you plenty of this feedback--which is scattered around the forum and the input from players in-game.
I'd love to see this new font in-game and done right, but just giving us little things like being able to change the font to a reasonable size only on the overview is not enough. There are underlying issues with the current UI that simply were not designed for the larger size and you cannot simply shoehorn the larger default font size into it. There's many places where the larger font size does not work.
I know that this is only the first step, and I won't harp on further about the problems here, however, the short-term solution is reasonably simple:
Make the default/reference font size (the one used at 100% scaling) approximately one point size smaller. The difference brings it much closer to the old (current) font size and would solve all these problems. This is roughly the equivalent of pressing the "a-" button in the chat windows. Do this.
Of course, I'd be surprised if you would/could do this in the last few days before rollout. The answer? DELAY THE PATCH! Nobody is going to blame you for delaying the patch for a bit of essential tweaking. I can almost guarantee that you will tick off many people after the expansion is launched and it will be your primary focus after the rollout. Why unnecessarily hassle the players and risk a ruckus with a lack of due diligence? Please give this serious thought.
Other than that, I like it. Good job on such short notice. Check out The "Concord LP" Channel! |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
128
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Posted - 2011.11.26 13:47:00 -
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I agree on the font being incomplete and not ready for release. CCP please really don't released unfinished rubbish you really need to stop doing this.
Also, please see the following two screenshots. There seems to be a polished smaller font used in chat (which is good) but it is not used anywhere else in the UI.
@UI scale 90%, the smallest and the second smallest font in chat looks very polished unlike the other areas in the UI. Please use this polished font to replace the scambled text.
smallest font in chat is very nice: http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1622/20111126133434.png
second smallest font in chat as well: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4994/20111126133511.png |
Sutha Moliko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.11.26 16:43:00 -
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Latest build 320935 on Sisi
1) All digit separators are wrong (a hypen instead of a comma) http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/digit_pb.jpg
2) All ship names or cargo container names with special caracters (using alt+#) are not displayed. However, theses special caracters are correctly displayed in any chat windows. |
Onyx Mamba
Desperate Venture Company Red Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.27 18:18:00 -
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CCP don't kill the game! The font is sh...t! I've seen it for the first time in Singularity and and my eyes and head gone dizzy in 30 secs. If this font was so expensive for the company just not to use it, so MAKE IT OPTIONAL! Give us the right to choose! I don't want to play in my favourite game with this [censored].
So [censored] PLEASE.
I just have to speak this way cause i feel you're going to deploy this patch as is with the smile on the face and like it's everythings fine |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2011.11.27 18:55:00 -
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CCP please do not release this font because it is incomplete and unfinished.
PLEASE DELAY THE RELEASE or MAKE IT OPTIONAL (and make future updates) |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2011.11.27 23:33:00 -
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Because what will happen is that people will rage again because of this font, you dont want to have incursion 2.0 happening again |
Sturmwolke
49
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Posted - 2011.11.28 04:06:00 -
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Late to the SISI scene (bld 321215), didn't read whole thread. If anyone's still monitoring this thread, 2 quick things :
- New fonts are "jaggy" and it scrapes your eyes when looking at it. Headache inducing. Needs to be smoothed. - Eastern characters aka Chinese/Japanese kanji don't show up well. Infact, they're blurred (when compared to the old font) making it hard to read.
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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:32:00 -
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Please don't release this font please don't release this font please don't release this font |
whaynethepain
14
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Posted - 2011.11.28 23:41:00 -
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Yea personally the new font is easy read for me, but I use a big old Cathode ray tube most if the time.
Looking at them screenshot reminded me though;
On the HD flat screen, all fonts had to be made much larger or it was a bit fuzzy and had bits missing.
I did assumed it was cos I got the flat screen cheap, But all the HD flat screens in the local supermarket have definition issues and blur.
Of-course, it could be my eyes have grown used to seeing the Cathode ray tube more definably. For me the HD is a lie.
Dunno if that helps any, explains why people say my name funny and mess up gate and destination names.
More screenshot pls.
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/6155/20111127150732.jpg
Thats how the old font looks to me, and the new fond is simply more easy read, but I don't have a screen shot ATM. Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2011.11.29 01:06:00 -
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This is my font as well, it looks so much better than the new one IMO because it is crisp and clean, but the new one is fussy and "broken" around the corners |
Armas Cav
Spec-Force
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:12:00 -
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Can I manually change the font to be something that I like. I hate the new font and loved the old one. You can't make everyone happy but choices can go a long way towards it. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
139
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:41:00 -
[345] - Quote
I just wanted to come back, like I said I would, and say "I told you so".
New font is terrible. |
Raze Crandraven
Red Power Hunters
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:34:00 -
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this new font is looks a little bit "stupid"... i dont want to hurt anybody. its too big on 100 and "unreal" and i got a headache and its far away from eve for me. on 90 it looks too small and annoying to read anything. i'd like to select the font myself... and the size of it. for example i like the previous version much better... i want it back... :) by the way... the crucible is look fantastic and i cant stop warping! :) great job!!! |
Raze Crandraven
Red Power Hunters
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:46:00 -
[347] - Quote
this is my toughts too...
Spc One wrote:I have an idea.
In some cases old font is better than the new font. I suggest keeping old and new font (both fonts).
By default eve client will load new font, while player can still change font in eve client. I think this is very nice idea and i think it's doable.
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Remmo Prideux II
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:01:00 -
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I HATE the new font..... It makes me ALMOST not wanna play the game!!! It looks like the standard font of the old Windows95 Notepad.... It looks like a bug. It looks like someones been fooling around... : "HAHA Nice joke, now change it back!"
If some people had problems with the old font.... Im glad for you now we have a new font integrated! But CCP PLEEEASSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give me the option to change back to the old font!!!!!!
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Leoresdectena
Gem Concordance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:52:00 -
[349] - Quote
New font legibility improvement is good, though it appears that a LOT of the improvement is due to the new font being BIGGER, not due to the actual font changes.
New font BIG SIZE makes UI less useable.
Give us font SIZE control!
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Cyber'Tech
ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:00:00 -
[350] - Quote
Unfortunately i cannot be constructive here, as previosly mentioned font looks like its some kind of joke, better yet, there is a better example, eve looks like a cheap Item Mall based F2P korean game, this doesnt add good publicity or attracts new players, please oh please, change the fonts back or at least give us the option to use old ones. |
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Atridies
The Ulterior Motive
5
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Posted - 2011.11.30 20:10:00 -
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Cyber'Tech hit the nail on the head.
I find this new font unreadable.
It's already cost me a ship because I couldn't read my overview properly.
Either old font back, option to switch between, or... or... or! :( |
Psychophantic
163
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Posted - 2011.12.01 05:05:00 -
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We are the 6%. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2011.12.04 18:37:00 -
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Is CCP working to improve the new font or is it going to stay the same forever? |
el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2011.12.04 19:34:00 -
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Atridies wrote:Cyber'Tech hit the nail on the head. I find this new font unreadable. It's already cost me a ship because I couldn't read my overview properly. Either old font back, option to switch between, or... or... or! :( what scaling do you use? could you provide a screenshot in lossless compression (png?) so we can see what display problem you are talking about?
given, there are issues with the new font + scaling, but overall - especially if you consider the options for many people - it is better than the old system! thx CCP for making it happen!
i see a need to improve on a) the dot "." too small b) font being t o o s p r e a d o u t c) "9" little too round, needs to be easier to distinguish from 8. d) scaling to 90% needs improvement: 1. UI elements, e.g. IC column get unclear e) give us also scaling to 80% ? check the moderated little ideas/10000 papercuts/low hanging fruit article! comment, bump(!) and like what you like: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Little_things_and_ideas_-_low_hanging_fruit_-_10000_papercuts |
Archa4 Badasaz
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.12.06 07:02:00 -
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New font looks horrible on low resolution in windowed mode. It's too small and to stretched vertically. And it doesn't help that I can choose only between 100 and 90% UI scaling...
Why can't there be an option to choose the font? Yes i like that you can easily distinguish between O and 0 and other characters... Bet when it makes my eyes hurt I am OK with some symbols being hard to understand, but easily read the whole texts... |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2011.12.11 11:21:00 -
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CCP please reply: are you still working on the font or is this font finished |
Sellendis
The Ares project
28
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Posted - 2011.12.11 12:24:00 -
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Give us old font CCP. Now ammo count is hard to see in modules, any numbers are just a stream of gibberish since : or / sign is almost invisible. Fine, we can read a 0 (zero) in low/null but what about everything else. Ship names in overview are too big even when using small font, compare it to the old font, its just not good. Open skill menu, where is the clear readability there....its just full of letters with equal size, its not nice looking at all. Bright nebula, and font without a shadow? Improved readability....lol.
We complained about new module icons, they were too dark and blurry, CCP you admit its not working well, you give us old and bright icons back...and the make the whole Caldari line-up of ships a dark blob in dark icon space. Honestly? WTH?
How it was before:
http://i.imgur.com/8leyj.png
How is it now:
http://i.imgur.com/r3SXz.png
Can you honestly tell us it looks better and cleaner now? The whole new font is out of place in EvE. It just doesn't look modern, its too big in places, no shadow for bright areas... (and whole Caldari nebula is a mess).
All this was on 1680*1050 with UI 100% settings. We are told the old font doesn't scale well, so let us use the old font if we dont scale down, if we scale the new font gets activated.
Just let us choose for gods sake.
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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:48:00 -
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Sellendis wrote:Give us old font CCP.
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Just let us choose for gods sake.
Agreed everything. I want to use the old font |
el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:50:00 -
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Sellendis, you might want to support option to Turn Down System Background Brightness
check the moderated little ideas/10000 papercuts/low hanging fruit article! comment, bump(!) and like what you like: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Little_things_and_ideas_-_low_hanging_fruit_-_10000_papercuts |
Sellendis
The Ares project
28
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Posted - 2011.12.12 14:16:00 -
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Just did, thank you for the link. |
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