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Lt Joanna
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Posted - 2010.01.06 14:33:00 -
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.. takes place everyday in the German Chat Channel. newbies which are asking friendly for help are insulted or told to quit eve immediatly ****ographic pictures are posted chat goes about biolical functions, sex, real Drugs general Insults to random persons trying to have a chat
All this is done by a handful of persons which seem to "own" that channel. "Normal" german players have no place to chat, which is the reason they hang out in the german helpchat and start offtopics there. I understand that the GM cannot monitor these channels the whole day, but I think everybody should be able to use the language-chat. Theoretically this is possible, practically not due to above reasons. Anyone saying something gets only laughed at... well what shall we do? Already created a bunch of petitions, but I am sick of. It seems they have no effect at all. Oh yeah, a new warning was created in the channel to not use profanity.. and you think that stops it? Well... in fact, it did not change anything at all. When do you ban those people which insult newbies and other persons and talk about profanities the whole evening? Anyone capable of German should go there and have a "look" to see by yourself.... regards
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CCP StevieSG
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Posted - 2010.01.06 14:38:00 -
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Please file a harassment petition, this is the quickest way to get it seen by the correct team.
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necrosia demora
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Posted - 2010.01.06 14:43:00 -
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there is a general bad attitude everywhere in eve. it does nothing for eve/ccp for this to happon anywhere near noob channels. IMO its far more game damaging than isk sellers could ever be. isk sellers for all their problems keep people in eve where as cyber bullying and general bad attitude drives people away from eve. its in ccp's best interest to monitor all public channels and insta ban people from those channels when they write anything inapropriate
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Schani Kratnorr
x13 IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.06 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 06/01/2010 14:48:54 I once got a 24-hour 'gag' for uttering the f-word in local. I may still have the GM mail somewhere. Looking at local chat today it is clear that policies have changed. In fact, a whole range of eve-communities are built around that very fact.
The CCP moderator replying is technically correct. He is however missing the point of your post - that nothing ever comes from spending 10 minutes filling out a horribly designed petition-form.
If CCP ever implemented a "report profanity"-button I would have something to do while I turkey-shoot the rest of their black-screened pilots.
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Starlk
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Posted - 2010.01.06 15:09:00 -
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As much as I hate to say it, Eve chat/forums/channels are just the same as WoW's chat channels. I have channels off, I stick with my friends and prefer to be away from the rest of the Eve community; it's a shame since these sorts of games are great for making new friends.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2010.01.06 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 06/01/2010 15:54:23
Originally by: necrosia demora its in ccp's best interest to monitor all public channels and insta ban people from those channels when they write anything inapropriate
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It really isn't.
And it is not that EVE players have a bad attitude. It is that you haven't been exposed to enough of the internet to realise that EVE players have a relatively good attitude (which is not saying a whole lot of good things about the internet ).
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Comply ORdie
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Posted - 2010.01.06 16:00:00 -
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"its in ccp's best interest to monitor all public channels and insta ban people from those channels when they write anything inapropriate"
What complete and utter crap.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.06 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 06/01/2010 16:09:21
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
I once got a 24-hour 'gag' for uttering the f-word in local. I may still have the GM mail somewhere. Looking at local chat today it is clear that policies have changed. In fact, a whole range of eve-communities are built around that very fact.
I for one, ****ing hates arbitrary ****ty censorship rules. It ****ing stinks :(. It has never been, and never will be a good way to make a community better.
I mean, if I see a bunch of ****ing ' * ' here on the forum, I aready know what its supposed to say, and nothing is gained by replacing the original word by ' * 's. (like the words I myself wrote up here, I bet everyone will know what words I used even if they are replaced)
Censorship is never good. It eventually creates sheltred idiots who can never function in RL, or ingame for that matter. They become oversensitive and freaks out when they see something they are not used to.
While I generally do not svear because I see no real reason to do so, I sometimes use the words to add emphasis, tho generally the svear words detracts from the overall message I wish to convey. I mean, take the "f" word: ****. It has no real meaning to me other then what it actually says, seeing this word does not damage me, and ideed does not bother me in the slightest, it only tells me on occation that someone is angry, very supprised, or want to have sexual intercourse. Not a big deal in other words.
Take it further, talking about sex, drugs and what not, whats the big deal? If you don't want to talk about that, don't. Go join another channel, make your own channel. Its not like you are forced to talke about it or even forced to read the conversations.
It sadens me that people act like sheep in this way thinking they need to be "protected" by an exterior entity (in this case CCP) from these "evil" words. They act like words are bad and somehow offencive and can hurt them, and need someone to hold they big baby hands.
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Hot Fudge
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.01.06 16:14:00 -
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Lol @ the people whining about censorship. It is CCP's game, they will "police" it how they see fit. If you don't like being told to grow up and get some respect, then move along. =========================
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.06 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs I'm an idiot *Sigh*
It's an official open channel, linked in the languages channel list and as such it's going to be "policed" (or should) to make sure ****tards like you stay the **** out of it and keep to the ****ing rules. If you want to have a a channel where you can feel good about talking real cool-like make your ****ing own.
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necrosia demora
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Posted - 2010.01.06 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Comply ORdie "its in ccp's best interest to monitor all public channels and insta ban people from those channels when they write anything inapropriate"
What complete and utter crap.
how isnt it. if someone is abusing a noob in a public channel and they dont like it they are going to leave eve. being a noob you dont have the friends to fall bk on for info or support. if your getting aggro you just going to call it quits and move on taking their money with them. anything that brings in money for ccp is in there best interest and players driving new potential subscribers away is bad for not only buisness but for the game
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Riedle
Minmatar Raptus Regalitor Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.01.06 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 06/01/2010 16:09:21
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
I once got a 24-hour 'gag' for uttering the f-word in local. I may still have the GM mail somewhere. Looking at local chat today it is clear that policies have changed. In fact, a whole range of eve-communities are built around that very fact.
I for one, ****ing hates arbitrary ****ty censorship rules. It ****ing stinks :(. It has never been, and never will be a good way to make a community better.
I mean, if I see a bunch of ****ing ' * ' here on the forum, I aready know what its supposed to say, and nothing is gained by replacing the original word by ' * 's. (like the words I myself wrote up here, I bet everyone will know what words I used even if they are replaced)
Censorship is never good. It eventually creates sheltred idiots who can never function in RL, or ingame for that matter. They become oversensitive and freaks out when they see something they are not used to.
While I generally do not svear because I see no real reason to do so, I sometimes use the words to add emphasis, tho generally the svear words detracts from the overall message I wish to convey. I mean, take the "f" word: ****. It has no real meaning to me other then what it actually says, seeing this word does not damage me, and ideed does not bother me in the slightest, it only tells me on occation that someone is angry, very supprised, or want to have sexual intercourse. Not a big deal in other words.
Take it further, talking about sex, drugs and what not, whats the big deal? If you don't want to talk about that, don't. Go join another channel, make your own channel. Its not like you are forced to talke about it or even forced to read the conversations.
It sadens me that people act like sheep in this way thinking they need to be "protected" by an exterior entity (in this case CCP) from these "evil" words. They act like words are bad and somehow offencive and can hurt them, and need someone to hold they big baby hands.
*Sigh*
Well said good man! you are a giant amongst men. bravo.
+1 Internets to you.
I hate the juvenile crap too, but I'd rather have that than the censorship police.
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EmoKidWithKantana
Filthy Scum Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.06 17:28:00 -
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Wow, it does sound like you lot need to HTFU :D |
Winters Chill
Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.01.06 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Winters Chill on 06/01/2010 17:32:55
Originally by: CCP StevieSG Please file a harassment petition, this is the quickest way to get it seen by the correct team.
No, actually, the quickest way would be for you or any other CCP employee who has seen this thread to drop the "its not my job" attitude thats perpetuates inefficient bureaucracies and make it your personal mission to get the issue of "internet goon" culture subtracting from your non-english speaking market addressed.
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Wesfahrn
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2010.01.06 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Wesfahrn on 06/01/2010 17:36:03 Well CCP is hopelessly behind on so many levels. From proper GUI programming (Making most of the aspects open-saucy, like WoW for example), social interaction, and even game design, judging from the latest expansions. EVE used to be a marvelous piece of work that went beyond boundaries. Kudos to the originial creators for that.
ON TOPIC;
What we are looking for is community rating of individual persons. I think its funny that the same guy, in the same post dismisses the idea of filling out petitions, but at the same time calls for a "report button" :D
What eve needs is a rating system. I wont go into details because frankly i dont have them. But every player needs the oppertunity to either 1 up or 1 down the other player basically. And then of course everyone should have access to these "review" statistics. It is a massive incentive for proper behavior which is treating other people respectfully.
But dont hold your breaths for such a magnificant system to be implemented, its too unconventional and CCP shareholders therefore no likey! |
Lt Joanna
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Posted - 2010.01.06 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: CCP StevieSG Please file a harassment petition, this is the quickest way to get it seen by the correct team.
Done very often. Nothing serious happens. It is not that this is happenning since yesterday. The German Chatchannel has a very bad reputation and every new player in the Game gets telled to stay away from there. And tbh, Stevie, I do not want and I will not spend my Gametime to write petitions. I have closed this channel and it will stay closed. For me. regards |
Winters Chill
Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.01.06 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wesfahrn Edited by: Wesfahrn on 06/01/2010 17:35:10 What eve needs is a rating system. I wont go into details because frankly i dont have them. But every player needs the oppertunity to either 1 up or 1 down the other player basically.
Such a system would have no value.
There is nothing to stop the leader of a large alliance getting his entire organization to negatively rate someone en-mass for lulz.
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Wesfahrn
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2010.01.06 17:44:00 -
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Well the key to success is openness. Have the statistics page show for example reviews by corp, alliance, you name it. There would be no incentive to purposefully "misdiagnose" when it becomes apparent this is your intention :)
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2010.01.06 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 06/01/2010 18:42:23 Three things.
Quote: The CCP moderator replying is technically correct. He is however missing the point of your post - that nothing ever comes from spending 10 minutes filling out a horribly designed petition-form.
The moderator in question in not a "he".
Hundreds of petitions are handled everyday and issues are resolved. Your assumptions are bogus to be perfectly honest.
When did they remove the "block" button from chat? ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you. |
Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2010.01.06 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Winters Chill Edited by: Winters Chill on 06/01/2010 17:32:55
Originally by: CCP StevieSG Please file a harassment petition, this is the quickest way to get it seen by the correct team.
No, actually, the quickest way would be for you or any other CCP employee who has seen this thread to drop the "its not my job" attitude thats perpetuates inefficient bureaucracies and make it your personal mission to get the issue of "internet goon" culture subtracting from your non-english speaking market addressed.
Or don't you care more, and work harder?
I almost let this one go, but the level of ignorance in the post is simply too high.
Do you think things get done properly in a company with several hundred very specialized employees by everyone running around like a crazy person trying to correct issues in area's outside their expertise? Really?
I don't think I want forum mods (no offense Stevie) making ingame chat channel banning policies that affect the entire player base. Those decisions should be decided by the appropriate management team.
Perhaps you should pull your head out and stop being a jerk to someone who is simply telling the OP to use the tools already in place to deal with in game issues. A system remarkably similar to those any other company (software or otherwise) has in place, and for good reason.
Next time, engage brain first then open mouth. Vent your spleen elsewhere. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you. |
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Ammath
Amarr Burning Technologies Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.01.06 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Joanna
Originally by: CCP StevieSG Please file a harassment petition, this is the quickest way to get it seen by the correct team.
Done very often. Nothing serious happens. It is not that this is happenning since yesterday. The German Chatchannel has a very bad reputation and every new player in the Game gets telled to stay away from there. And tbh, Stevie, I do not want and I will not spend my Gametime to write petitions. I have closed this channel and it will stay closed. For me. regards
Well you guys do love your poopy **** so its to be expected.
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Dantis Infernalie
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Posted - 2010.01.06 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: necrosia demora
Originally by: Comply ORdie "its in ccp's best interest to monitor all public channels and insta ban people from those channels when they write anything inapropriate"
What complete and utter crap.
how isnt it. if someone is abusing a noob in a public channel and they dont like it they are going to leave eve. being a noob you dont have the friends to fall bk on for info or support. if your getting aggro you just going to call it quits and move on taking their money with them. anything that brings in money for ccp is in there best interest and players driving new potential subscribers away is bad for not only buisness but for the game
so hello kittie online channel rules?
sorry. does not match with the f* world of eve, where ******ed a*ho* are making fun out of "harrassing" & "killing" other players - which is all ok with the game-mechanics...
btw. how about a "kick to help / hilfe" option? seriously some "noobs" can't find help/hilfe and mess them up with rookie-chat and what-not.
after the 6509th time telling someone go there, there are motivated ppl who might help you ....
*bucket of hot bubbling tar*
btw. does any volunteer gets any reward for helping newb's? where is the motivator for beeing nice and patient
just my 0,02 isk's keep the spelling errors ;)
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Th0rG0d
Pilots From Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.01.06 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
When did they remove the "block" button from chat?
This is exactly what I was thinking? Last time I looked, it was working, course unfortunately I haven't been able to log in for quite some time due to being away from home and having public computers only.... ------
Originally by: Swalesey Ok that makes moe sense. op wans corp where he can whack himself in the balls whilst swinging his tackle to some funkeh music. It's so obvious now you say it out loud
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.06 19:59:00 -
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People still use the German-Channel?
It is almost two years since I was there, but even then the Channel had a very poor reputation. It seems not much has changed.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2010.01.06 20:02:00 -
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German channels, German servers and most places where germans meet are bad places in the internet. Really makes me sad, since I am german
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Holdings Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.06 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Joanna
chat goes about biolical functions, sex, real Drugs
The worst of all profanities. Mentioning stuff.
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Callista Sincera
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.06 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Starlk As much as I hate to say it, Eve chat/forums/channels are just the same as WoW's chat channels. I have channels off, I stick with my friends and prefer to be away from the rest of the Eve community; it's a shame since these sorts of games are great for making new friends.
If you had actually played WoW *and* visited the german channel (with the capacity to understand the language) you'd know that this channel is very unlike any channel you'll ever find in WoW. There they'd have closed down the channel, temp-banned everyone in there for further investigation followed by a perma ban for half the channel.
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Take it further, talking about sex, drugs and what not, whats the big deal? If you don't want to talk about that, don't. Go join another channel, make your own channel. Its not like you are forced to talke about it or even forced to read the conversations.
I doubt most people in german would really mind if you just "talked" about that.
Originally by: Ranger 1 When did they remove the "block" button from chat?
Someone will always take the bait instead of just using the block function. You'll then have to block that guy too or deal with the monologue. Then, more people join in and you'd have to block them all. Please don't give me the "well, if everyone..."-crap. If everyone then there'd be no hunger on earth and nobody would have to work unless he wanted to. There wouldn't be any ISK-sellers either. But it's not "everyone".
Originally by: Swiftgaze The worst of all profanities. Mentioning stuff.
He didn't put it quite the way they would have put it in german. They don't just "mention stuff". But with a little bit of thinking you might have figured that out on your own.
Originally by: Amerilia German channels, German servers and most places where germans meet are bad places in the internet. Really makes me sad, since I am german
The german help channel is pretty good most of the time. Of course there's always the odd hour with that odd idiot...
Originally by: Swiftgaze Their humour is teh suck and so are their faces.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.01.06 22:39:00 -
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I never understood how people manage to get affected by this sort of thing. It's like smack talk, close the window and ignore it. I'm sure there are some good German channels, if not then there is no demand for it.
Children always behave like this online as they think it's cool and their mummy and daddy are not looking. Just ignore it. It's the same in other games.
Everyone is a victim in this society and it's pathetic. Work it out for yourself for once.
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Xiaodown
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.01.06 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 06/01/2010 16:09:21
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
I once got a 24-hour 'gag' for uttering the f-word in local. I may still have the GM mail somewhere. Looking at local chat today it is clear that policies have changed. In fact, a whole range of eve-communities are built around that very fact.
I for one, ****ing hates arbitrary ****ty censorship rules. It ****ing stinks :(. It has never been, and never will be a good way to make a community better.
I mean, if I see a bunch of ****ing ' * ' here on the forum, I aready know what its supposed to say, and nothing is gained by replacing the original word by ' * 's. (like the words I myself wrote up here, I bet everyone will know what words I used even if they are replaced)
Censorship is never good. It eventually creates sheltred idiots who can never function in RL, or ingame for that matter. They become oversensitive and freaks out when they see something they are not used to.
While I generally do not svear because I see no real reason to do so, I sometimes use the words to add emphasis, tho generally the svear words detracts from the overall message I wish to convey. I mean, take the "f" word: ****. It has no real meaning to me other then what it actually says, seeing this word does not damage me, and ideed does not bother me in the slightest, it only tells me on occation that someone is angry, very supprised, or want to have sexual intercourse. Not a big deal in other words.
Take it further, talking about sex, drugs and what not, whats the big deal? If you don't want to talk about that, don't. Go join another channel, make your own channel. Its not like you are forced to talke about it or even forced to read the conversations.
It sadens me that people act like sheep in this way thinking they need to be "protected" by an exterior entity (in this case CCP) from these "evil" words. They act like words are bad and somehow offencive and can hurt them, and need someone to hold they big baby hands.
*Sigh*
Chill the fuck out, man. Sheesh. --
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Jaitee
Tecknotic
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Posted - 2010.01.07 00:19:00 -
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Block them.
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