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Thuranni
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.07 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
They are being hunted into extinction?
Hunting endangered animals makes about as much sense as punching yourself in the balls to prevent your woman from getting pregnent.
WHALES ARE NOT BEING HUNTED TO EXTINCTION. ONLY A TINY NUMBER OF WHALES ARE HUNTED EACH YEAR, AND THE SPECIES BEING HUNTED AREN'T EVEN REMOTELY THREATENED.
Christ. You people need to at least pretend to know what you're talking about before sprouting bull****.
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.01.07 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
I trol u.
Seriously though... what makes a whale so special in comparison to any other mammal, fish, reptile, bird or insect? It's far more humane to hunt, kill and eat an animal which has lived it's life in the wild and not known the levels of sustained pain and suffering which some intensively farmed species endure. As long as it is done in a sustainable way then what's the issue?
They are being hunted into extinction?
Hunting endangered animals makes about as much sense as punching yourself in the balls to prevent your woman from getting pregnent.
No they're not. See the post above yours.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:12:00 -
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Currently North Atlantic Cod and Tuna fisheries are in more dire situations then most whale species.
Where are the fish protectors?
Fish rarely get the activist attention because they are neither cute nor fuzzy. Also when fish do get the attention it will usually be in the US and they will typically be fresh water species.
Only when something like the 1970's collapse of North Atlantic Cod population do salt water species get much attention. We will also slowly begin to see this with the tuna fisheries but it will never reach the activist level that comes close to the whaling protest boats. Especially in the North Atlantic fisheries
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 Hunting endangered animals makes about as much sense as punching yourself in the balls to prevent your woman from getting pregnent.
May not make sense but historically has happened numerous times.
For instance Canada refused to rein in its fishermen and the utterly collapsed the Cod stocks they had there. There is a similar row going on in the US now where they want to impose severe limits on some fishing. The fishermen are furious because it is their livelihood. But the fact remains, left to themselves, they would annihilate fish stocks and then everyone is screwed.
This is not about being a tree hugging vegan. This is about proper management of resources. Left to themselves fishermen and hunters will absolutely hunt a species to extinction (witness Bison which came very, very close to extinction via hunting).
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Left to themselves fishermen and hunters will absolutely hunt a species to extinction (witness Bison which came very, very close to extinction via hunting).
Many species of whales North American Grey Wolves Puma and/or the North American Mountain Lions Many sub species of apes Most species of large Asiatic and African cats Most species of African and Asiatic Elephants Many species of larger deer, elk, and other large and small subspecies in the Cervidae family. More the a few species of seal.
For some ****s and giggles; there are those that would say the North American Ancestors approximately 10-12,000 years ago hunted a few species to extinction.
* woolly mammoths
* Columbian mammoths
* American mastodons
* three types of ground sloths
* glyptodonts
* giant armadillos
* several species of horses
* four species of pronghorn antelopes
* three species of camels
* giant deer
* several species of oxen
* giant bison
University Of California, Santa Barbara (2001, June 8). Humans Hunted Mammals To Extinction In North America. ScienceDaily.
Well my opinion is that the human species is a parasite with the capability to control their destiny. Whether or not we do that has yet to be determined.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon Currently North Atlantic Cod and Tuna fisheries are in more dire situations then most whale species.
Where are the fish protectors?
Fish rarely get the activist attention because they are neither cute nor fuzzy. Also when fish do get the attention it will usually be in the US and they will typically be fresh water species.
There are fish protectors out there. They just do not get the press. Activists absolutely rail against factory fishing which use drift nets and such.
Problem is fishing is a big industry and whole communities depend on it for their livelihood. When the public is faced with starving families versus a Cod they tend to sympathize with the humans.
When it comes to fish it is about sustainable harvesting. Unfortunately the market is bigger than what is sustainable.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:46:00 -
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If mankind dies out within the next few thousand years, the next intelligent species evolving in some 20-60 million years will recognize our existence merely as a mass extinction event. --------
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
There are fish protectors out there. They just do not get the press. Activists absolutely rail against factory fishing which use drift nets and such.
Problem is fishing is a big industry and whole communities depend on it for their livelihood. When the public is faced with starving families versus a Cod they tend to sympathize with the humans.
When it comes to fish it is about sustainable harvesting. Unfortunately the market is bigger than what is sustainable.
Most definetly. "Where are the fish protectors?" Was more of a redundant question.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Pixie Cats
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Thuranni
WHALES ARE NOT BEING HUNTED TO EXTINCTION. ONLY A TINY NUMBER OF WHALES ARE HUNTED EACH YEAR, AND THE SPECIES BEING HUNTED AREN'T EVEN REMOTELY THREATENED.
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FinalFlash84
PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.07 17:07:00 -
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Nothing more than attention w.hores. The message they try to send to the world is ok, but their aggressive behaviour is just plain stupid.
Famous quote of the Japanese (): F.uck you whale, and f.uck you dolphin ------------ Final Flash Rokhasm |
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Natasja Podinski
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Posted - 2010.01.07 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: FinalFlash84 Nothing more than attention w.hores. The message they try to send to the world is ok, but their aggressive behaviour is just plain stupid.
Famous quote of the Japanese ():Inappropriate comments removed. StevieSG
haha loser flash calls others for attention *****s!!
what a joker
also you must ask your babuscka to tell you difference between aggressive and protective behavior! silly noob! go and be mean to a kitten you little teenager
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.07 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Trathen I am no fan of the practice of Japanese whaling but "Greenpeace ecoterrorism" is my second favorite oxymoron spawned from dogma, right behind "Pro-life assassin."
I couldn't care less to be honest, whale tastes good and very little of them gets wasted in comparison to many other animals that are hunted for food.
Originally by: Nawt Ovarpwiced Let me tell you something.
Since we're an allmighty and superior species.... us being alive depends on an insect.
You're thinking bull**** right?
How do you get fruit?
Trees
How do tree's make fruit? By flower's that are pollinated by Bee's.
Guess what's happening to the Bee's?
They're becoming endangerd. the USA is IMPORTING bee's from Australia. A mite is attacking bee's, latching onto them and hitching a ride to the hive, then chow'ing down on the bee larvae. Bee populations are plummeting because of this.
Bee's Die?? = No produce from tree's/plants
No produce from tree's/plants? We dont get to eat it, and move to other food supplies
Can the world live off a food supply that consists entirely of Meat?
No.
So "superior" are we to nature and the animals, but how easily we forget how dependant we are on them.
I can't possibly take a lecture by you on anything even remotely seriously until you learn how to correctly utilise apostrophes.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2010.01.07 23:03:00 -
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This is funny:
Quote: After Sea Shepherd purchased a small submarine in 1994, the Canadian navy said it would be too dangerous for a civilian to operate. Watson's reply to Canada: "Since World War II, the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society has boarded more ships, rammed more ships, engaged in more high-seas confrontations and sunk more ships than the Canadian navy."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1952194,00.html#ixzz0byEWFOMc
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.01.07 23:37:00 -
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*Eh ...*
1) The reason for not killing whales and dolphins is that they are as intelligent as we are - if not more so. That is the reason for that. Not just that some of them were becoming extinct. We protect them because they are the other intelligent species on this planet. They were the other branch on the evolutionary tree - that went back to the water. Killing a whale or a dolphin is like killing a human being. *shrug* If you can't see that - look in a mirror and see an idiot.
2) I watched the Whale Wars videos on the Animal Planet channel and the Sea Shepard folks are a bunch of jack asses. They have no idea what they are doing out there. These clowns keep trying to get up next to a large processing ship with multiple water cannon and throw their little bottles of chemicals onto the deck to try and taint the meat so it can't be used. These jack asses have a helicopter! They could just fly above the ship - or along side one of the whalers and bomb the meat from there. All in all - yes - they are just a bunch of silly hippies with no real idea what they are doing.
3) The idea that that Japanese boat is a research vessel is absurd. That's just a lie they've made up to circumvent treaties Japan signed.
4) The idea that it is the whales responsible for the depleted fishing grounds is equally absurd. Very highly organized, efficient fish harvesting is responsible for depopulating the fishing grounds. What's really going on here - is that like a farmer who'd shoot ten wolves to save one of his sheep - the fishing industry doesn't care how much the whales are eating - they care that the whales are eating ANY of it.
5) I've known some fishermen ... and by and large - they are only interested in putting money in their wallets. They don't give a damn - for the most part - about anything else. Now ... that said ... I also know people - who know fishermen who were killed by sharks trying to save dolphins caught in nets ... so it isn't one way ... but mostly - these guys work very, very hard - so they can make lots and lots of money. They have done to good a job and now we are having a problem. With all the money they have invested in their ships and equipment though - they don't care that they are depopulating the oceans ... they just won't look that far ahead. To focused on making money - NOW!!!!!
6) There are a number of efforts to try and breed fish in ocean pens but that's just starting out.
7) If you watch that Whale Wars show ... if it comes on again, you'll see that the Sea Shepard people have really antagonized those Japanese whalers. They have had at least one collision in the past where they tried to cut in between a whaler and the processing ship to try and keep it from transferring the whale it had killed. So I'm not surprised that the whalers finally got ****ed off enough to just go ram one of them (as the you tube video shows).
8) As to the Sea Shepard vessels - the Steve Irwin is a fairly large trawler type. It is a substantial vessel. What the did in the past was launch Zodiacs and a helicopter to act as their fast attack craft. Now, apparently, they have a couple of lareger vessels in addition to the Irwin, the Bob Barker and ... up until lately ... the Ady Gil. I don't know about any more but they seem to have gotten some more money.
9) What the legality of all this is ... I have no idea. The Japanese whalers are lying about being research vessels - the Sea Shepard's are very aggressive in harassing them. Both sides are skirting along the edge of the law, essentially getting away with what they can. The Irwin had police waiting when it came home after the ramming.
10) All in all - I'm surprised no one has been killed in all this. A Japanese sailor fell over board once ... and they may have had other industrial casualties as most such operations do - but I'm unaware of anyone being killed or if the Japanese have had anyone injured seriously by the Shepards.
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Culmen
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.01.07 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Culmen on 07/01/2010 23:42:25 Put it on the killboards
2010.01.07 03:30:00
Victim: Ady Gil Corp: Sea Shepherds Alliance: Ecohippies Faction: NONE Destroyed: Fiberglass Trimaran System: Antarctic Ocean Security: 0.2 Damage Taken: 1337
Name: Shonan Maru 2 (laid the final blow) Security: -0.03 Corp: Institute of Cetacean Research Alliance: Nakabe Scientific Research Centre Faction: Japan Ship: Yushin Maru class harpoon vessel Weapon: Solid Steel Hull I Damage Done: 1337
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.01.08 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 08/01/2010 00:06:50 They really should have tanked kinetic.
Put it on the killboards
2010.01.07 03:30:00
Victim: Ady Gil Corp: Sea Shepherds Alliance: Ecohippies Faction: NONE Destroyed: Fiberglass Trimaran System: Antarctic Ocean Security: 0.2 Damage Taken: 1337
Name: Shonan Maru 2 (laid the final blow) Security: -0.03 Corp: Institute of Cetacean Research Alliance: Nakabe Scientific Research Centre Faction: Japan Ship: Yushin Maru class harpoon vessel Weapon: Solid Steel Hull I Damage Done: 1337
LOL!!
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Love Denied
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.01.08 02:03:00 -
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nuke the whales
Caldari Loyalist
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2010.01.08 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Verone I couldn't care less to be honest, whale tastes good and very little of them gets wasted in comparison to many other animals that are hunted for food.
Never saw Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home did you? What kind of self respecting internet spaceship guy are you? Had you seen that you'd know we are all doomed when the whale aliens come looking for their buddies!
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.08 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Verone I couldn't care less to be honest, whale tastes good and very little of them gets wasted in comparison to many other animals that are hunted for food.
Never saw Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home did you? What kind of self respecting internet spaceship guy are you? Had you seen that you'd know we are all doomed when the whale aliens come looking for their buddies!
Just the Japanese and only the anime freaks and console tards will care
Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2010.01.08 07:24:00 -
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"The bigass ship always has the right of way".
It is quite obvious why here .
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Foodpimp
Gallente Heaven's Harvesters Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.01.08 07:36:00 -
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Whales and Eve Pilots....
Two things that move in Pods!!!!
WACKA WACKA WACKA!!
I'll be here all week folks....remember to tip your waitress!!!
GOOD NIGHT!
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2010.01.08 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Foodpimp Whales and Eve Pilots....
Two things that move in Pods!!!!
We've got a Rorqual and Orca too!
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Thuranni
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.08 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk *Eh ...*
1) The reason for not killing whales and dolphins is that they are as intelligent as we are - if not more so. That is the reason for that. Not just that some of them were becoming extinct. We protect them because they are the other intelligent species on this planet. They were the other branch on the evolutionary tree - that went back to the water. Killing a whale or a dolphin is like killing a human being. *shrug* If you can't see that - look in a mirror and see an idiot.
You seriously believe that whales and dolphins are as intelligent, or possibly moreso, than human beings?
Quote: 5) I've known some fishermen ... and by and large - they are only interested in putting money in their wallets. They don't give a damn - for the most part - about anything else. Now ... that said ... I also know people - who know fishermen who were killed by sharks trying to save dolphins caught in nets ... so it isn't one way ... but mostly - these guys work very, very hard - so they can make lots and lots of money. They have done to good a job and now we are having a problem. With all the money they have invested in their ships and equipment though - they don't care that they are depopulating the oceans ... they just won't look that far ahead. To focused on making money - NOW!!!!!
It's called making a living. It's kind of important to grown ups, and vital to their continued existence.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Pixie Cats
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Posted - 2010.01.08 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: yani dumyat on 08/01/2010 14:30:20
Originally by: Thuranni
Quote: 5) I've known some fishermen ... and by and large - they are only interested in putting money in their wallets. They don't give a damn - for the most part - about anything else. Now ... that said ... I also know people - who know fishermen who were killed by sharks trying to save dolphins caught in nets ... so it isn't one way ... but mostly - these guys work very, very hard - so they can make lots and lots of money. They have done to good a job and now we are having a problem. With all the money they have invested in their ships and equipment though - they don't care that they are depopulating the oceans ... they just won't look that far ahead. To focused on making money - NOW!!!!!
It's called making a living. It's kind of important to grown ups.
Fishing cod till the stock collapses isn't grown up, it's gross stupidity on so many levels.
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Borgh Brainbasher
Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2010.01.08 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 08/01/2010 00:06:50 They really should have tanked kinetic.
Put it on the killboards
2010.01.07 03:30:00
Victim: Ady Gil Corp: Sea Shepherds Alliance: Ecohippies Faction: NONE Destroyed: Fiberglass Trimaran System: Antarctic Ocean Security: 0.2 Damage Taken: 1337
Name: Shonan Maru 2 (laid the final blow) Security: -0.03 Corp: Institute of Cetacean Research Alliance: Nakabe Scientific Research Centre Faction: Japan Ship: Yushin Maru class harpoon vessel Weapon: Solid Steel Hull I Damage Done: 1337
does anyone know if they dropped good loot? well at least their rubber pod got away
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.08 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Thuranni Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
5) I've known some fishermen ... and by and large - they are only interested in putting money in their wallets. They don't give a damn - for the most part - about anything else. Now ... that said ... I also know people - who know fishermen who were killed by sharks trying to save dolphins caught in nets ... so it isn't one way ... but mostly - these guys work very, very hard - so they can make lots and lots of money. They have done to good a job and now we are having a problem. With all the money they have invested in their ships and equipment though - they don't care that they are depopulating the oceans ... they just won't look that far ahead. To focused on making money - NOW!!!!!
It's called making a living. It's kind of important to grown ups.
I am not sure if you realize how much man can truly **** up ecosystems.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2010.01.08 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Thuranni You seriously believe that whales and dolphins are as intelligent, or possibly moreso, than human beings? I don't even know what to say, man. Recent studies show that Dolphins *may* be as intelligent or slightly more intelligent than chimpanzees - Which demonstrate, at most, intellect similar to a 3 year old child. I am not familiar with *any* studies which show that the commonly hunted whales such as Minke are any more intelligent than your average cow.
I find it completely mind boggling that media hype has convinced people like yourself that whales are as intelligent as human beings, or possibly even more intelligent. If they are so ****ing intelligent, why haven't they made some attempt at contacting us to tell us that, "Hey, guys, can you please stop murdering us?".
I find it completely astounding that media hype and groups like Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd have managed to convince people like yourself that whales may be our intellectual superiors.
Do me a favor.
Define intelligence.
Not the dictionary definition. Really pin it down for us. Realize if you manage that you will have done something no one has been able to manage in human history despite a lot of attempts. For instance your cat (if you have one) would seem pretty dumb trying to play chess. From the cat's perspective you'd look pretty dumb running around a field trying to catch a mouse.
Further, tell me how intelligence is the sole arbiter of value? Is it ok to kill someone who is severely mentally deficient? They may be dumber than my dog so no biggie if I run them over or something right?
Certainly we are less concerned smushing a bug than (say) a cat but the point is the value of something is measured on numerous levels. Intelligence is just one.
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Juan Valhdez
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Posted - 2010.01.08 17:48:00 -
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Jago Kain
Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.01.08 21:02:00 -
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OK; if whales are so intelligent, why do they keep swimming so near to Japan?
Hah. Answer that and stay fashionable.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.08 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jago Kain OK; if whales are so intelligent, why do they keep swimming so near to Japan?
Hah. Answer that and stay fashionable.
Nobody sold them maps. Duuuh. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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