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Buba002
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Posted - 2012.06.23 04:38:00 -
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Oh how mighty the Thrasher truly is, not only in FW, but in small gangs. I'm at a loss at why people would fly any other ship when hunting enemies in minors. Even as few as 4 Autocannon Thrashers can destroy most frigate gangs.
Basically what I am asking for clarification about is why are people flying drams, comets, and Hookbills against Thrashers? I mean sure, I've killed a couple of Thrashers in my Hookbill, but with such a cheap hull/fit, why even risk a much more expensive setup when you can effectively kill other frigates in the Thrasher?
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Venri Zod
Order of the Black Dagger
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Posted - 2012.06.23 05:29:00 -
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Thrashers pop before you can blink, they are a glass cannon. Try harder. :) |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.06.23 05:50:00 -
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Remember to fit your MSE II to avoid getting popped. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Buba002
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Posted - 2012.06.23 05:56:00 -
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Venri Zod wrote:Thrashers pop before you can blink, they are a glass cannon. Try harder. :)
Thrashers pop quickly to frigates? Maybe if they aren't armor tanked. |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.06.23 09:13:00 -
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It can be pretty annoying that destroyers can get into minor plexes. There's just no use in bringing a frigate to a plex fight with the exception of griffins and maybe some fast tackle.
Frigates are a niche these days and while there still are fights to be had, the pure amount of destroyers in FW these days very much forces you to also field destroyers.
I tried to avoid that but recently gave up and am now flying destroyers. I still try to roam in frigates but that's a different thing, requires different thinking and even gives you a different target selection.
It's still doable to solo in frigates and especially with faction frigates can give you some pretty awesome kills but for FW, destroyers is go. Everything else is stupid.
And it's gonna get worse with destroyer buffs and new destroyers coming up...
I demand more plex sizes. pew pew |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.06.23 09:32:00 -
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ac thrasher suck |
Aktonn
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Posted - 2012.06.23 11:08:00 -
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I pretty much only fly a Hookbill in the the T1 plexs and have some success against destoyers. If its the AC variety i just load an optimal range script. The Arty Thrashers are a different story. Doable with a tacking script and a 1k orbit but getting there is the problem.
For the T1 frigates, even with the recent buff, destoyers are a big no no and when you consider the limited price difference between the two a T1 frigate is pretty limited.
Now if only CCP would release a Caldari missle based destroyer . |
Buba002
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:28:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:ac thrasher suck
Care to explain why? AC Thrashers seem to excel at waiting on the warp in point of a minor plex, and then literally ripping apart any frigates that come in. |
Mutnin
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:57:00 -
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Buba002 wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:ac thrasher suck Care to explain why? AC Thrashers seem to excel at waiting on the warp in point of a minor plex, and then literally ripping apart any frigates that come in.
AC Thrashers work ok in a lot of situations, but in most cases Arti Thrashers are far better. Which is why we pretty much just push the Arti gang fits in corp. In a small gang fight range is a major issues for AC thrashers.
Even at a warp in of a plex ships will spread out very quickly and this means if your gang consists of just AC thrashers each ship in the gang has to burn to each target to hit the primary due to range being under 6km in most fits. This means any gang that can reach out further than you even with less DPS has a good chance of out damaging you. It also means you can't easily spread points which allows non primary ships to get range.
With 250mm Arti's and faction ammo you can easily hit out to 17km +/- which opens up the fight to better be controlled and allows guys to easily get their DPS on targets fast, that hey may not be right next to. The other benefit is the Alpha Volley. I know as a corp we haven't taken out any Arti Thrasher gangs since you joined but trust me when we have 5 or more it's pretty crazy how fast they can kill even battle cruisers.
Some groups prefer 280mm's over the 250's but personally I like the 250's due to ability to fit some tank and they also allow for slight modification to the fit for gang specific EW mods if needed.
Far as king of the hill in plex fighting.. 150mm rail fit Corms if used properly are likely the best Dessie in the game for that kind of skirmish fighting. They can apply damage upwards of 100km meaning with a small gang of them they can control a plex pretty effectively from great ranges forcing the enemy to either warp out or die. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.06.23 17:45:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Far as king of the hill in plex fighting.. 150mm rail fit Corms if used properly are likely the best Dessie in the game for that kind of skirmish fighting. They can apply damage upwards of 100km meaning with a small gang of them they can control a plex pretty effectively from great ranges forcing the enemy to either warp out or die. This... Do you know what a sh*t-barometer is? It measures the sh*t-pressure in the air, did you hear that? The sounds of the whispering winds of sh*t... |
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.06.23 19:21:00 -
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Some coercers cant go in and kill two MSE fit AC thrashers in a 2v1...just saying. |
Aln Al-Thalab
Mentally Assured Destruction
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Posted - 2012.06.24 16:27:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:ac thrasher suck
You, sir, are terribly mistaken. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2012.06.24 16:40:00 -
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Comet > Thrasher
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13659449 |
Zarnak Wulf
The Roaches
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Posted - 2012.06.25 21:40:00 -
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I've always flown Arty Thrashers until recently. All things being equal - no boosters, snakes, or slaves - an arty thrasher that starts at range will always beat an AC Thrasher. It's only when the AC Thrasher starts on top of the Arty T. that it goes the other way.
Arty Thrashers are susceptible to AB frigates - dual prop Dramiels and Firetails are the obvious examples. AC Thrashers are only lethal in that immediate 10km range.
Recently I've enjoyed flying a 125mm rail Catalyst. It has close to 400 DPS at 13km and 300 DPS at 23km. It's natural lock range is larger then that of the Thrasher. And it shoots every 1.98 seconds which is a really fun experience. |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.06.26 03:03:00 -
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AC thrashers worse than arty? you high?
Sure if you start the fight 40km apart but why would you do that. If you are late to a plex just don't go in if target is in if you are really worried about the camped warp in kiters, wait till next one spawns and get there first.
I usually have no trouble running down arty thrashers in an ac thrasher. I definitely have to do some inventive flying against ECM thrashers though.....
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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:20:00 -
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AC- arty, whatever, just for the love of god don't fit them like Bolsterbomb's which has both SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.26 11:10:00 -
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BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:49:00 -
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Cat Casidy wrote:AC- arty, whatever, just for the love of god don't fit them like Bolsterbomb's which has both
hehehe , that was an EXPERIMENTAL fit by the way and wasnt supposed to fight an af i was just bored. lol
Theory was that in running minors the dessy gives you enough guns to kill either frig no mater what it was. you have long range to kill kiters (alpha power man) and ac to kill annoying ab frigs.
Hey its eve im allowed to experiment Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Rezig Huruta
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.26 16:34:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Cat Casidy wrote:AC- arty, whatever, just for the love of god don't fit them like Bolsterbomb's which has both hehehe , that was an EXPERIMENTAL fit by the way and wasnt supposed to fight an af i was just bored. lol Theory was that in running minors the dessy gives you enough guns to kill either frig no mater what it was. you have long range to kill kiters (alpha power man) and ac to kill annoying ab frigs. Hey its eve im allowed to experiment
So - aside from asploding to an AF, did it work as you imagined in the minors? |
BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:04:00 -
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Rezig Huruta wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Cat Casidy wrote:AC- arty, whatever, just for the love of god don't fit them like Bolsterbomb's which has both hehehe , that was an EXPERIMENTAL fit by the way and wasnt supposed to fight an af i was just bored. lol Theory was that in running minors the dessy gives you enough guns to kill either frig no mater what it was. you have long range to kill kiters (alpha power man) and ac to kill annoying ab frigs. Hey its eve im allowed to experiment So - aside from asploding to an AF, did it work as you imagined in the minors?
I dunno I leroyed into an AF. It did function properly and I belive in a minor (and only a minor) it would work as intended.
It was able to hit at range with a decent punch (comparatively speaking) and was able to shoot close range with nice dps whereas an arty thrasher could not.
I would test it again. Its cheap who cares if you die. I think it works because of the variance that we are seeing in a minor. It wont succeed at being the best at long or range but with that many guns it doesnt have to. It has to fulfil a role and I belive the intended role works. Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
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X Gallentius
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:47:00 -
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Rezig Huruta wrote:So - aside from asploding to an AF, did it work as you imagined in the minors? It sounds like it worked fine for Bolsterbomb and I encourage him and everybody else in the Caldari militia to continue to experiment with putting both long range and short range weapons on their destroyers.
I don't, however, think members of the Gallente or Minmatar militia are advanced enough in their piloting skills to try such things. So I would avoid these advanced fitting concepts if I were you. |
BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:02:00 -
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epic troll thank you.
There is nothing wrong with trying experimental fits as long as you discard them if they dont work and fly them according to what they were built for. Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Buba002
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Posted - 2012.06.26 20:17:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Rezig Huruta wrote:So - aside from asploding to an AF, did it work as you imagined in the minors? It sounds like it worked fine for Bolsterbomb and I encourage him and everybody else in the Caldari militia to continue to experiment with putting both long range and short range weapons on their destroyers. I don't, however, think members of the Gallente or Minmatar militia are advanced enough in their piloting skills to try such things. So I would avoid these advanced fitting concepts if I were you.
<3 you! |
Zarnak Wulf
The Roaches
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Posted - 2012.06.26 20:38:00 -
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I have seen thrashers fitted with AC x 6 and one 280. You take it up against a Dramiel. You fire the arty at them- they rush in licking their chops AND...
Not something I would do but thought I'd throw it out there. |
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
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Posted - 2012.06.27 00:59:00 -
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I'm fairly certain no one has ever experimented with the concept that sticking a rubik's cube inside a slinky and somersaulting down a flight of stairs with it to see if it might cause you to travel back to 1772 bc Babylon where you wind up traveling the lands with your talking humvee (who's also Arnold Schwarzenegger for some reason) while upholding the code of Hammurabi while simultaneously trying to invent aspirin because you totally knocked yourself out out when you fell down those stairs and some aspirin would probably help with that. However I encourage you to try. SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars |
Atrum Skyhunter
Victory Inc.
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Posted - 2012.06.27 05:01:00 -
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Is there something big I'm missing, but wouldn't destroyers get ripped apart by Stealth Bombers? Like two stealth bomber vollies (Or one, if there's two SB) should vaporize any single destroyer before they even get a lock on. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.06.27 06:32:00 -
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Atrum Skyhunter wrote:Is there something big I'm missing, but wouldn't destroyers get ripped apart by Stealth Bombers? Like two stealth bomber vollies (Or one, if there's two SB) should vaporize any single destroyer before they even get a lock on.
I invite you to take a group of stealth bombers against a gang of corms
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.06.27 11:47:00 -
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Atrum Skyhunter wrote:Is there something big I'm missing, but wouldn't destroyers get ripped apart by Stealth Bombers? Like two stealth bomber vollies (Or one, if there's two SB) should vaporize any single destroyer before they even get a lock on. Before destroyer buff (smaller sigs now I believe) I could MWD burn around after a Hound and he never got through more than of my 25% shields or so .. torps really don't like moving targets
Super Chair wrote:I invite you to take a group of stealth bombers against a gang of corms One could probably get away with siccing a group of noob ships on that bomber group .. more so after the freebies get their revamp .. hahahaha.
Bombers are very, very limited in function but they do that one thing extremely well.
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:42:00 -
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AC thrashers are way underpowered. They sort of suck tbh. If your going to fit one make it armor as they are so much better.
I highly recommend the 250 arty fit. It gives you range and more versatility. Damn fine fit tbh. Will kill an AC thrasher 1v1 every time! Is sexy time? |
Buba002
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:51:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:AC thrashers are way underpowered. They sort of suck tbh. If your going to fit one make it armor as they are so much better.
I highly recommend the 250 arty fit. It gives you range and more versatility. Damn fine fit tbh. Will kill an AC thrasher 1v1 every time!
What about frigs such as the Hookbill? |
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