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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:18:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/total-war.html Actually, heh, I hadn't read that one yet. So he's claiming we lost ships at a hysterical rate, panicked and whined?
The only reason I even knew we were at war with jade (I never read the wardec mails, they're irrelevant chaff) was Jade's whining about how CCP were changing the wardec mechanic because of goons, and totally and utterly ignoring the fact that tons of corps had tons of free wars, and that every war available to the general public was being dogpiled. Nooooo, that's certainly not it, it has to be the goon conspiracy.
Sigh. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
7459
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:23:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: You said it was "admission of keyboard macro abuse".. Mainly because your guy has admitted he used a keyboard macro to automate the collection of loyalty store payouts. Protip : when I collected my loyalty store items I needed to click the button manually for 15mins straight - it was hellishly boring - somebody automating this process gains an advantage over me! The eula is pretty explicit on this case and you've already lost this argument in the other thread. You are wrong. He used the keyboard, in the way CCP have already deemed to be OK.
GM Karidor wrote:1) Keyboard macros a'la the G15 Logitech keyboard This really depends on the exact useof those keyboard macros. General guideline: Automating gameplay: bad. Turning on all your hardeners with one key press: fine
The essence of the EULA is to prevent cheating. Cheating is defined currently by the EULA as automating gameplay to an extent that is not achievable by a human being. A player usinga macro to achieve (or sustain) automated gameplay will be at risk for warning or more severe actions.
Linkage.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
589
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:35:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: You said it was "admission of keyboard macro abuse".. Mainly because your guy has admitted he used a keyboard macro to automate the collection of loyalty store payouts. Protip : when I collected my loyalty store items I needed to click the button manually for 15mins straight - it was hellishly boring - somebody automating this process gains an advantage over me! The eula is pretty explicit on this case and you've already lost this argument in the other thread. You are wrong. He used the keyboard, in the way CCP have already deemed to be OK. GM Karidor wrote:1) Keyboard macros a'la the G15 Logitech keyboard This really depends on the exact useof those keyboard macros. General guideline: Automating gameplay: bad. Turning on all your hardeners with one key press: fine
The essence of the EULA is to prevent cheating. Cheating is defined currently by the EULA as automating gameplay to an extent that is not achievable by a human being. A player usinga macro to achieve (or sustain) automated gameplay will be at risk for warning or more severe actions. Linkage. Maybe you should read what GM Karidor actually wrote: "A player usinga macro to achieve (or sustain) automated gameplay will be at risk for warning or more severe actions.".
How is using a macro to automate LP store purchases so you don't have to be at the computer (if you don't want to) not automated gameplay? |
Lord Zim
938
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:44:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:How is using a macro to automate LP store purchases so you don't have to be at the computer (if you don't want to) not automated gameplay? Using a macro to press f1, f2, f3 is also "automated gameplay", I guess. vOV |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2519
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:49:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: You said it was "admission of keyboard macro abuse".. Mainly because your guy has admitted he used a keyboard macro to automate the collection of loyalty store payouts. Protip : when I collected my loyalty store items I needed to click the button manually for 15mins straight - it was hellishly boring - somebody automating this process gains an advantage over me! The eula is pretty explicit on this case and you've already lost this argument in the other thread. You are wrong. He used the keyboard, in the way CCP have already deemed to be OK. GM Karidor wrote:1) Keyboard macros a'la the G15 Logitech keyboard This really depends on the exact useof those keyboard macros. General guideline: Automating gameplay: bad. Turning on all your hardeners with one key press: fine
The essence of the EULA is to prevent cheating. Cheating is defined currently by the EULA as automating gameplay to an extent that is not achievable by a human being. A player usinga macro to achieve (or sustain) automated gameplay will be at risk for warning or more severe actions. Linkage.
The quote you make doesn't in any way support your argument.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
589
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:51:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Lexmana wrote:How is using a macro to automate LP store purchases so you don't have to be at the computer (if you don't want to) not automated gameplay? Using a macro to press f1, f2, f3 is also "automated gameplay", I guess. vOV But that particular use case was deemed OK. Didn't you read? What wasn't OK was to achieve or sustain automated gameplay. I ask you again, wasn't that exactly what they (supposedly) did? And they did it because no human could stand to do it in time. Thats why they (supposedly) had to use a bot. Tell me where I am wrong? |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:59:00 -
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They did use an EULA violating macro.
You can make a macro to simultaneously press F1 F2 and F3 as it's an "one act" (like you can use a multi-box key repeater as it just instantly replicates what the player does, 1:1), while doing a sequence (A, B then C) is EULA breaching macroing. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
474
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:05:00 -
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Confirming that using $200 keyboards that were previously okay to use in the game are now cheating because everyone can't afford a $200 keyboard.
Guess I was cheating until my keyboard broke on me. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
168
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:08:00 -
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NickyYo wrote: Well they broke the EULA, they knew it was an exploit So thats that, and yes they did exploit an error in the game coding.
I would be shocked if you either knew what an EULA was or could read and fully comprehend it. |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
237
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:12:00 -
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A loophole is not a bug, a bug is mostly due poorly written code GÇô a loophole like this is due poorly thought-out game mechanics.
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Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
168
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:14:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Goons are crying big Jewbal tears. It's working. Well done, CCP. Blatant antisemitism on a public forum. You should be ashamed of yourself. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
335
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:24:00 -
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Frederick Sanger wrote:sabre906 wrote:Goons are crying big Jewbal tears. It's working. Well done, CCP. Blatant antisemitism on a public forum. You should be ashamed of yourself. As opposed to this page
http://eveinfo.net/wiki/inde~597.htm Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
939
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:26:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Lexmana wrote:How is using a macro to automate LP store purchases so you don't have to be at the computer (if you don't want to) not automated gameplay? Using a macro to press f1, f2, f3 is also "automated gameplay", I guess. vOV But that particular use case was deemed OK. Didn't you read? What wasn't OK was to achieve or sustain automated gameplay. I ask you again, wasn't that exactly what they (supposedly) did? And they did it because no human could stand to do it in time. Thats why they (supposedly) had to use a bot. Tell me where I am wrong? I did read it, yes.
First of all, aryth said himself it was done over a period of weeks, it wasn't "14 hours grinding in one go". Second of all, what GM Karidor is talking about is automating something to an extent which humans can't. You've absolutely no evidence pointing to it being anything of the sort, yet you're jumping on the rumor which Jade is spreading.
Second of all, the example we've seen GMs use have been "to automate mining", which is a bit more involved than "press a key to press the accept button" would be, which is why I'm saying "f1 f2 f3 is also automated gameplay". It's literally "press f1, then f2, then f3".
If Aryth etc had made the macro so he could press the key and it would keep buying until he pressed another key, that would be something completely different. He didn't. |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:27:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Confirming that using $200 keyboards that were previously okay to use in the game are now cheating because everyone can't afford a $200 keyboard.
Guess I was cheating until my keyboard broke on me.
Heh it's incredible the absurd hoops and loops people will do to ignore simple concepts when it's against their interests or shallow propaganda.
$200 keyboards programmed to press 3-4 keys together = NOT automated gameplay => OK. $200 keyboards programmed to press a timed sequence of keys to *automate gameplay* => shady to forbidden macro. If the sequence also involves conditionals => insta ban bot.
In this istance, the macro had to be programmed in a sequence, to greatly save time and / or effort or to make an excruciating (and thus reasonably impractical) human activity into a faster, automated and thus practical activity. The purpose is there, the motive is there. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
335
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:28:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: For us to whine about something, don't you think it should affect us even one iota? It doesn't. We don't live in hisec with GSF chars because we've basically been permanently wardecced the last uh ... probably every year GSF's been in existence, and GS before then.
I am calling Bull on this one.
Maybe you do not come to Hi-sec but a hell of a lot of Goonswarm members do. They are everywhere.
There are so many in Hi-sec you should probably stop calling yourself a Null sec alliance.
So yes wardecs do effect a large number of Goonswarm members. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
168
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:29:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Frederick Sanger wrote:sabre906 wrote:Goons are crying big Jewbal tears. It's working. Well done, CCP. Blatant antisemitism on a public forum. You should be ashamed of yourself. As opposed to this page http://eveinfo.net/wiki/inde~597.htm Your inability to correctly make a link is amazing. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
165
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:31:00 -
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Alaya Carrier wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Confirming that using $200 keyboards that were previously okay to use in the game are now cheating because everyone can't afford a $200 keyboard.
Guess I was cheating until my keyboard broke on me. Heh it's incredible the absurd hoops and loops people will do to ignore simple concepts when it's against their interests or shallow propaganda. $200 keyboards programmed to press 3-4 keys together = NOT automated gameplay => OK. $200 keyboards programmed to press a timed sequence of keys to *automate gameplay* => shady to forbidden macro. If the sequence also involves conditionals => insta ban bot. In this istance, the macro had to be programmed in a sequence, to greatly save time and / or effort or to make an excruciating (and thus reasonably impractical) human activity into a faster, automated and thus practical activity. The purpose is there, the motive is there.
And how would you expect CCP to tell the difference?
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1182
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:31:00 -
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this thread is so bad a rogue goon |
Lord Zim
939
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:32:00 -
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Alaya Carrier wrote:In this istance, the macro had to be programmed in a sequence, to greatly save time and / or effort or to make an excruciating (and thus reasonably impractical) human activity into a faster, automated and thus practical activity. The purpose is there, the motive is there. You're assuming. Remember, if you assume, you make an ass out of you and me. |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:47:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Alaya Carrier wrote:In this istance, the macro had to be programmed in a sequence, to greatly save time and / or effort or to make an excruciating (and thus reasonably impractical) human activity into a faster, automated and thus practical activity. The purpose is there, the motive is there. You're assuming. Remember, if you assume, you make an ass out of you and me.
At least I am not cheating nor brown nosing cheaters. |
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Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
590
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:48:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:What GM Karidor is talking about is automating something to an extent which humans can't You should probably stop posting because you are not helping your side at all. Are you actually implying that GM Karidor means that mining bots are OK? Because a human can mine right?
Lord Zim wrote:If Aryth etc had made the macro so he could press the key and it would keep buying until he pressed another key, that would be something completely different. He didn't. I don't know if Aryth macroed the LP store purchases. It was just suggested in the threadnought. But the only way you could know this is if you were him. Are you Aryth? |
Lord Zim
939
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:57:00 -
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Alaya Carrier wrote:At least I am not cheating nor brown nosing cheaters. Nor am I. vOv
Lexmana wrote:Lord Zim wrote:What GM Karidor is talking about is automating something to an extent which humans can't You should probably stop posting because you are not helping your side at all. Are you actually implying that mining bots are OK? Because a human can mine right? This would be a dumb assumption, since that's not even remotely what I said. Humans can mine, but they can't mine for f.ex 23.5 hours a day without missing a beat. There is difference.
Lexmana wrote:I don't know if Aryth macroed the LP store purchases. It was just suggested in the threadnought. But the only way you could know this is if you were him. Are you Aryth? I am not. |
Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
590
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Posted - 2012.06.24 23:03:00 -
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Fun fact: It was a goon that suggested macroing the LP store purchases. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
36
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Posted - 2012.06.24 23:17:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Blastcaps Madullier wrote:http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/total-war.html Actually, heh, I hadn't read that one yet. So he's claiming we lost ships at a hysterical rate, panicked and whined? The only reason I even knew we were at war with jade (I never read the wardec mails, they're irrelevant chaff) was Jade's whining about how CCP were changing the wardec mechanic because of goons, and totally and utterly ignoring the fact that tons of corps had tons of free wars, and that every war available to the general public was being dogpiled. Nooooo, that's certainly not it, it has to be the goon conspiracy. Sigh.
I never said it was, though was questioning why complaining about one thing but not the other :) and end of the day isn't eve built on player conflict? :) so would have thought CCP wouldn't have been that adverse to a somewhat free for all HS wise lol, nvm :) guess CCP decided the last changed wardec mechanics were not WAI and had unintended consequences lol
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.06.24 23:43:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Lord Zim wrote:What GM Karidor is talking about is automating something to an extent which humans can't You should probably stop posting because you are not helping your side at all. Are you actually implying that GM Karidor means that mining bots are OK? Because a human can mine right? Lord Zim wrote:If Aryth etc had made the macro so he could press the key and it would keep buying until he pressed another key, that would be something completely different. He didn't. I don't know if Aryth macroed the LP store purchases. It was just suggested in the threadnought. But the only way you could know this is if you were him. Are you Aryth?
Aryth wrote:Pisov viet wrote: So, did you personally pushed a button for hundreds of implants and thousands of BPC? How long did it took you to redeem all that **** from the LP store?
G19 macro you hold down. You have to pay attention due to FW fluctuations and such. This was also over WEEKS, not days. We were in motion within 8 hours of patch.
So yeah macroed but he was at the keyboard. Is that good or bad lol http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
59
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Posted - 2012.06.24 23:45:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:So yeah macroed but he was at the keyboard. Is that good or bad lol
depends, how painful is RSI? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.06.24 23:48:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:So yeah macroed but he was at the keyboard. Is that good or bad lol depends, how painful is RSI?
Im betting you play more than I do; you tell me http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
36
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Posted - 2012.06.24 23:58:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Dave stark wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:So yeah macroed but he was at the keyboard. Is that good or bad lol depends, how painful is RSI? Im betting you play more than I do; you tell me
doesn't mean he whacks off more than you :P
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
171
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Posted - 2012.06.24 23:59:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Dave stark wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:So yeah macroed but he was at the keyboard. Is that good or bad lol depends, how painful is RSI? Im betting you play more than I do; you tell me doesn't mean he whacks off more than you :P
Also likely; Im a vampire. No sex drive
look it up. Malkavian http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
7459
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Posted - 2012.06.25 09:07:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:The quote you make doesn't in any way support your argument.
Of course it does, you simply have an issue with understanding.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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