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Poruntubo
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Posted - 2010.01.10 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: DEV Zoom Oh well... it's not that this is a taboo topic, because we won't deny the obvious, but we've all seen the mass hysteria on other boards. And you know what happens if someone is wrong on the interwebs.
Do we love EVE? Yes. Even if most of us haven't even played it ever.
Did we really want to just copy EVE? Honestly, no.
Let's take the UI, I think most of you are picking on that.
The thing is, there is only one proper way to display lots of data to users in a useful way, and those are: rows and columns. There is only one way to display blocks of text: in textboxes. The simplest buttons you can do are rectangles with text on them. Combine these in the easiest way you can, add some window-management and you get... Windows. Yes it's true, EVE didn't invent cascaded windows.
I think the only reason you see them so similar is because in contrary to all the fancy window-shapes and decorations those fantasy games have out there, both UIs are built up from the simplest primitive building blocks a UI can have.
Yes, icons are simply sorted into windows one after another (didn't windows 3.1 have that already?). Yes, quantities on icons are in the lower right corner (where else would you put them?). Yes, we have human heads as avatars (that's unheard of!). Yes, the members of the chat are listed on the right side of the window (irc, anyone?). Yes, you can put a missile launcher (sword) onto your robot's (knight's) chassis (hand). Yes, you actually need to target someone before you accidentally start shooting innocent bystanders. Yes, we have a planet on the login screen (...).
I could go on forever.
There were also numerous (and I mean it) occasions, where our programmer put together a simple window layout (for example the market) and he just later found out that he almost exactly copied the layout of the EVE one (mind you, he has never seen that before). Because it was just the most logical way.
Later on, the following conversation pattern came up again and again ridiculous times: - Ok, I threw some window together for x function, here. - Dude... - ...don't tell me this looks like... - ...
Believe it or not, after some time, when we designed something new for the game, we always checked whether EVE has it, and how it looks, so we DO NOT make it the same. And most of the time we honestly tried, but it always turned out that it's the most logical and convenient way to do it. And call me a thief all you want, but I will not make something less usable and ****ed up just so it doesn't look similar to another game.
The simple fact that we are using real world references to build up the world of Perpetuum determines us to be "thieves". Lasers have long range and do heat damage. Machine guns do not need energy to function and have a high dispersion rate. Electronics need power to operate. Mining, refining, recycling, manufacturing, patents, licenses, corporations. None of these are unique to EVE. It's the reality we live in.
So why do all the people still think we are cloning EVE? Because up until now very few have tried to mimic the economics of reality in such a complex and detailed way as EVE. Now we do.
And now for the Top 5 questions ever, which I couldn't answer on other forums:
- Are you CCP in disguise? - No.
- Are you in any way affiliated with CCP? - No.
- Is this Goonfleet's most elaborate scam ever to get all our EVE passwords? - No.
- Is the Perpetuum client a keylogger? - Yes, we actually register your keystrokes which are used to move giant robots. We also use advanced braincontrol devices so you will actually want to pay for this.
And my personal favorite:
- Did you take the leaked EVE source code, and just changed the icons, switched the spaceships to robots and simply put some terrain in it? - Oh God, if it was just that simple... err I mean, no.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente VA Holding Void Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.10 00:32:00 -
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*irony/sarcasm mode on*
Well, if you're gonna steal, steal from the best
Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie ROTDK is recruiting
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Jaggeh
The Order of Odin
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Posted - 2010.01.10 00:42:00 -
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on a completely unrelated note Mechwarrior living legends has been released.
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Benco97
Gallente Shadow Veil Industrial
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Posted - 2010.01.10 00:44:00 -
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To those saying the game is terrible who almost certainly haven't ever played it I suggest you try applying for the closed beta or wait for the open beta, the game is (A few bugs aside) genuinely fun and while the UI looks like EVE the game doesn't FEEL like EVE.
There's space in my life for Eve AND Perpetuum, there's no overlap between the two other than the fact they are both MMOs, they are quite different in gameplay (Despite sharing several core mechanics).
Think about it, how many MMO's are made on the EQ template? most of them tbh.
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Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Caroline Cosmos
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Posted - 2010.01.10 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 10/01/2010 00:57:46
Originally by: Sandeman Reserve This one says it all, IMHO. http://content.perpetuum-online.com/images/content/shots-2009-09-0030.jpg
Having said that... while it doesn't look all that exciting, neither does Eve to a lot of folk. I figure a wait and see approach. I'm sure if CCP are at all worried about it, they'll do something when the time comes.
Look in the window on the left. There's an item called "Arbalest" lol. Yeah this isn't plagarism... BS. (edit) of course they will say it's just the term for a type of crossbow...
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Ick Ickagami
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Posted - 2010.01.10 01:04:00 -
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"Simpsons did it."
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.01.10 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Poruntubo
Originally by: DEV Zoom
Did we really want to just copy EVE? Honestly, no.
Of course.
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Brugar
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Posted - 2010.01.10 01:31:00 -
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Edited by: Brugar on 10/01/2010 01:32:37
Originally by: Windows ME http://www.perpetuum-online.com/Media:Screenshots
Look at their screenshots, especially the docked ones near the bottom.
Just look at it.
It isn't EVE.
/scarcasm off
Even the character creation is the same. "Choose school."
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.01.10 03:26:00 -
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Similar UI? similar concept? So, what's the problem?
If Perpetuum has something good that EVE can import back into its game - so copy it! Standing on a moral ground for the sake of the pride or some over zealous morality is meaningless. This is akin to still fighting with bronze swords for its golden colour, rather than switch over to the gray but more practical steel swords.
Wrangling over who's copying who isn't going to get anyone anywhere, tbh.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.10 04:03:00 -
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I particularly like this bit… Originally by: DEV Zoom The simple fact that we are using real world references to build up the world of Perpetuum determines us to be "thieves". Lasers have long range and do heat damage. Machine guns do not need energy to function and have a high dispersion rate.
Sure. Except that, if they were using real world references, rather than EVE, lasers would have very short range due to diffraction and light-speed lag, and that heat doesn't necessarily have to be the primary way they do damage. And except that everything will need energy to function, if nothing else for aiming and that dispersion can be made largely a non-issue if you design them for the distances you'll encounter in space (and if you don't, you wouldn't use them to begin with).
In short, if they were going by real world references, there would be next to no similarities with EVE. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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d3vo
Isotope Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.01.10 04:08:00 -
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Looks like a lame game.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.01.10 04:15:00 -
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Patent law has a specific exemption for user interfaces, they can't be patented and UI copyright has rarely held up in court. The issue came up when Runes of Magic was being developed. They used World of Warcraft's user interface designs and art style as closely as physically possible, to the point that it looks like they traced over WoW screenshots to make the UI. But it's perfectly legal and several other games have even since copied WoW's UI and art style. It's up to those guys if they want to use an EVE-like UI, there's nothing CCP can or should do about it.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.01.10 04:44:00 -
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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.10 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade I belive amiga was the first ones to use window based OS. Amiga dos.
Wrong. Xerox's Alto was the first by about 20 years. (1962)
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Omal Oma
Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.01.10 05:13:00 -
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CCP Should be flattered, not offended.
If anything, CCP should reach out to them and offer help. All the current methods of suing and roadblocking IP's because of their work (even if it is copied) only drives the cost of creating games.
If CCP reached out instead of attacked, possibly in the end if the game is fun and good, there could be something in it for them.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.01.10 06:56:00 -
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Riiiight, and for only 500m you can also join Goonswarm!
That Dev Zoom guy must think we were born yesterday. I would actually respect them or give the game a shot if they'd admit they flat out copied EVE and want to make a cool mech version. As it stands, blatantly ripping off another game exactly and then denying it and then lying to us is a huge insult and I hope they all fail and DIAF (in their dumb game of course)
Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose. |
Winters Chill
Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.01.10 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Winters Chill on 10/01/2010 07:44:50 The similarities to eve are minor to say the least. Its a robot game, eve is a spaceship game. You can only sue and win if its theft, that UI is similar but not exactly the same, the game itself appears to be completely completely different.
Will legal action happen? Not a chance in hell, if eve wins it means there would be a backlog of fantasy games suing each other over UI similarities.
PS: you can't take legal action over game mechanics. Only artistic and intellectual property. People in this forum take the word "fanboi" to a whole new level.
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Mistress Aja
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Posted - 2010.01.10 07:43:00 -
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Has anyone thought if ccp may have allowed them to use the game engine and basic UI for a monthly fee?
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Holdings Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.10 08:14:00 -
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Hey.
This is a no-thinking-area.
We're 13 and we don't like to hear that CCP needs to make money.
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Falcon Troy
Caldari LOCALSPIKE LLC. SwineFlu.
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Posted - 2010.01.10 08:39:00 -
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You can't deny the EVE-O influence but I don't think you'd really have enough to make a case...they look similar but different enough... _____________ Hai. |
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.01.10 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit Riiiight, and for only 500m you can also join Goonswarm!
That Dev Zoom guy must think we were born yesterday. I would actually respect them or give the game a shot if they'd admit they flat out copied EVE and want to make a cool mech version. As it stands, blatantly ripping off another game exactly and then denying it and then lying to us is a huge insult and I hope they all fail and DIAF (in their dumb game of course)
In his defense, if he openly admitted they were copying EVE, CCP would have a much stronger case should they decide to pursue legal action. Denying it is just a formality at this point.
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Jerera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.10 09:49:00 -
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The UI in the video is more a mix of Anarchy Online and EVE Online than purely an EVE Online copy. I like it, though. But yeah, you are obviously interested in my post because you're now reading my signature.
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Wesfahrn
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2010.01.10 09:54:00 -
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What is the problem excactly?
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Typhado3
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.10 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97 To those saying the game is terrible who almost certainly haven't ever played it I suggest you try applying for the closed beta or wait for the open beta, the game is (A few bugs aside) genuinely fun and while the UI looks like EVE the game doesn't FEEL like EVE.
There's space in my life for Eve AND Perpetuum, there's no overlap between the two other than the fact they are both MMOs, they are quite different in gameplay (Despite sharing several core mechanics).
Think about it, how many MMO's are made on the EQ template? most of them tbh.
This.
Still early development but I can see it being a quite good game once they fix a few problems. Tbh the UI is the thing most similar to eve and that's not the most important thing in a game. There are plenty of other games that have similar game design things to eve such as Darkfall online yet nothing happens about that. ------------------------------ God is an afk cloaker |
Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2010.01.10 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Fille Balle on 10/01/2010 13:12:26
Originally by: Caroline Cosmos Look in the window on the left. There's an item called "Arbalest" lol. Yeah this isn't plagarism... BS. (edit) of course they will say it's just the term for a type of crossbow...
Well, it is actually. Besides, in PO, it's a bot, not a weapon. Big difference. And BG II had a weapon called arablest, did eve copy bg II?
Edit: it's actually quite a fun game, even though it's still rather buggy and a lot of features are missing. The biggest plus is that the devs are very often online chatting with the players, and they often implement requested features quickly. They also fix bugs very shortly after they've been reported (if they can reproduce the bug, it's fixed in a matter of days).
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Natasja Podinski
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Posted - 2010.01.10 13:30:00 -
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you player have not understanded that this is "walking on planets" to be inplanented into eve online
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Lord Windu
Echelon Solutions Echelon.
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Posted - 2010.01.10 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97 To those saying the game is terrible who almost certainly haven't ever played it I suggest you try applying for the closed beta or wait for the open beta, the game is (A few bugs aside) genuinely fun and while the UI looks like EVE the game doesn't FEEL like EVE.
There's space in my life for Eve AND Perpetuum, there's no overlap between the two other than the fact they are both MMOs, they are quite different in gameplay (Despite sharing several core mechanics).
Think about it, how many MMO's are made on the EQ template? most of them tbh.
Not saying it's a terrible game, but after looking at pictures and videos it really just doesn't appeal to me so I wont be trying it. Also it's made by a Hungarian company and I have known of scammers using Hungarian banks in the past, don't really fancy putting my money at risk. ------
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Forge Lag
Jita Lag Preservation Fund
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Posted - 2010.01.10 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Windu Also it's made by a Hungarian company and I have known of scammers using Hungarian banks in the past, don't really fancy putting my money at risk.
Well if that is your concern, you are in the wrongest place you could be. Hungarian banks track record beats icelandic banks hands down, well anyone does.
"Real men play badminton, deep diving is for pussies." PvP 13373P33K unscrambled
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Sade Onyx
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Posted - 2010.01.10 14:42:00 -
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sorry I just dont see it, your all being hysterycal.
there are similarities, but then all mmo UI's have similarities.
It was established years ago that you cant copyrite "look & feel"
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Awgate
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Posted - 2010.01.10 14:46:00 -
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So westwood should sue everyone RTS released after dune 2?
Look its Dune, but instead of cool races that I cant remember the name of they have orcs and humans.
Look its Quake, but instead of killing monsters you kill, ehh monsters. And they changed the name of the hero and the game...
Who the **** cares if they have copied EVE. Thats whats game development is all about. See a good idea, take and and try make it perfect or just make a plain copy.
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