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Haoibuni
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Posted - 2010.01.10 07:16:00 -
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As title. I don't mind swapping out armour resists but swapping drones for a mission specific optimal set is a bit tedious.
So is there a a set of drones to carry around that will deal with any situation, albeit sub-optimally.
I'm in a Mymidon which has 150m3 drone capacity.
Something like 2 heavies, 5 lights, 2 sentries, 1 armour repairer?
Please state the names of the drones to get. I heard Gallente are the best but not sure if it's so clear-cut.
Thanks in advance
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Azgur
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Posted - 2010.01.10 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Azgur on 10/01/2010 09:01:05 I just kept 5 hobgoblins and 5 hammerheads in my myrm. The remaining space I filled up either with spares or with heavies, although I rarely used the latter. I found using 3 heavies on a myrm really counter productive, they're bloody slow and don't really perform that great in level 3's. If I'm lazy I launch 5 hammerheads and go semi-afk, if I'm more active I first use hobgoblins and manually direct them to take out the frigs, then let the hammerheads clean up. If you really want to use heavies/sentries, get a Dominix.
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.01.10 09:14:00 -
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i use hammerheads and hobgoblins as well- they have the highest damage modifier so it works for me. Why would you want armor rep drones? only use is if your duel boxing- even then regular drones would be more useful.
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Akuma Tsukai
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.10 09:51:00 -
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If u dont want to bother (which means ure not flying amarr or totally normal person ) - gallente drones kill all. For 75 band the highest DPS combo is 1 hobgoblin, 2 hammerheds, 2 ogres. 2nd set can be exp drones in case of angels, spare ones... whatever. ---- Drones eat everything. Trust me. |
Penritha
Gallente Wheels of Industry
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Posted - 2010.01.10 09:53:00 -
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Learn to use the save fittings facility.
I have a fitting saved for each mission and it's also a handy place to keep notes about particular missions.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2010.01.10 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 10/01/2010 10:00:13
Originally by: Akuma Tsukai For 75 band the highest DPS combo is 1 hobgoblin, 2 hammerheds, 2 ogres. 2nd set can be exp drones in case of angels, spare ones... whatever.
I think this is a bad idea... You'll not fight either small, medium or large targets well! DPS may look nice, but you forget travel time, tracking and speed, all of which will decrease the theoretical DPS significantly.
In L4's, best option is to make your SHIP efficient at killing large targets (battleships and battlecruisers), and then carry 5 medium drones for cruisers and 5 light drones for frigates. Heavy drones (or sentries) is really only for ships that has the drone capacity to ALSO carry 5 lights and 5 mediums.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Haoibuni
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Posted - 2010.01.10 11:05:00 -
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Great thanks all.
I have used the "Save fittings" facility but it seems to only store 1 set of fittings for anyone ship. If you try to save a new set of fittings it just overwrites the old one. Am I doing something wrong.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2010.01.10 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Haoibuni Great thanks all.
I have used the "Save fittings" facility but it seems to only store 1 set of fittings for anyone ship. If you try to save a new set of fittings it just overwrites the old one. Am I doing something wrong.
Specify a different name when saving... Otherwise it uses the name of the ship (or a default, can't recall).
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Imiarr Timshae
Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2010.01.10 12:47:00 -
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Due to their higher damage modifier, particulary with high skills, Gallente drones are the best to have in any situation. -----
Originally by: GM Horse
Remember kids, both meth and macro use are Really Quite Bad Things.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.01.10 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Imiarr Timshae Due to their higher damage modifier, particulary with high skills, Gallente drones are the best to have in any situation.
Unless you're shooting at stuff weak to kinetic or explosive, in which case they will reach their targets slower, track them worse and do less damage when they do hit.
Gallente drones are only best vs EM weak rats and mercs (which, off the top of my head, are the only NPCs that are weakest to therm).
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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NyteTyger
Gallente NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.01.10 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: NyteTyger on 10/01/2010 16:25:35
Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: Imiarr Timshae
Gallente drones are only best vs EM weak rats and mercs (which, off the top of my head, are the only NPCs that are weakest to therm).
Um, WTF? Gall drones do Therm damage, not EM, and coincidentally, the Gall native rats, Serpentis, are weak to therm. Maybe you meant the Amarr drones, which are pretty damn useless?
Edit: quote fail __________________________________________
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.10 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: NyteTyger
Originally by: Wet Ferret Gallente drones are only best vs EM weak rats and mercs (which, off the top of my head, are the only NPCs that are weakest to therm).
Um, WTF? Gall drones do Therm damage, not EM, and coincidentally, the Gall native rats, Serpentis, are weak to therm. Maybe you meant the Amarr drones, which are pretty damn useless?
Because EM-weak rats have thermal as their secondary weakness, which, combined with the pitiful damage of Amarr drones, means the Gallente drones are the best choice.
As for Serpentis, yes, they're weak to thermal, but quite often even weaker to Kinetic, making it a better choice. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.10 17:48:00 -
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About the only time you might want Minmatar drones for PvE is when you face large groups of Angels. Rest of the time Gallente are more than sufficient. I never have a problem letting Hobs chew through packs of Guristas or any other frigates. Even let them chew apart Angels cos I'm lazy and generally can pop anything Cruiser or bigger with torps and TP easily.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2010.01.10 18:55:00 -
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With a Myrmidon, I would probably go one of two routes. Two sets of drones, use Gallente against everything but Angels. I don't really care for using flights of mixed drone sizes, but some do: 2x Ogre II 2x Hammerhead II 1x Hobgoblin II 2x Berserker II 2x Valkyrie II 1x Warrior II
Or, my preferred setup for PvE: 5x Hammerhead II 5x Valkyrie II 5x Hobgoblin II 5x Warrior II ...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.01.10 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Wet Ferret on 11/01/2010 00:06:20 woot, first double post
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.01.11 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: NyteTyger Edited by: NyteTyger on 10/01/2010 16:25:35
Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: Imiarr Timshae
Gallente drones are only best vs EM weak rats and mercs (which, off the top of my head, are the only NPCs that are weakest to therm).
Um, WTF? Gall drones do Therm damage, not EM, and coincidentally, the Gall native rats, Serpentis, are weak to therm. Maybe you meant the Amarr drones, which are pretty damn useless?
Edit: quote fail
Serpentis are weakest to kinetic, my good man. And I definitely meant therm drones are best against EM weak rats since, as you so kindly pointed out, the EM drones are useless
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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Ki Shodan
Gallente deep blue
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Posted - 2010.01.11 12:56:00 -
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Until you have the skills to use Tech II Sentries, use 5 Hammerheads (II), 5 Valkyries (II), 5 Hobgoblins (II) and 5 Warriors (II).
While the Gallente (Hammerhead, Hobgoblin) have the best Damage Modifier, the Minmatar Drones (Valkyrie, Warrior) have better tracking and speed, which you want to have against those nasty interceptor tacklers, with their low signature radius and incredible speed. Which means overall they kill frigates and interceptors faster.
Since your drones are your main damage dealer, have a omni tracking link in your fitting. (If they are not your main damage dealer, then do not fly a Myrmidon. ;-P)
If you are ready to use Sentry II Drones use 3 Garde II, 5 Valkyries II and 5 Warriors II.
The Sentries have a range from 36 to 48 km with skills and one Omni Tracking link. They will hit frigtates down to 20 km, below 20km you use Warrior or Valkyries. Also adding one sentry damage rig will increase the damage dealt greatly. Do not bother with Tech I Sentries, they suck even with maxed skills.
If fitting the Omni Tracking Link and Sentry Rig means downsizing your turrets to the next lower medium turret kind, it is worth it! Turrets on a Myrmidon are support and aggro fetchers not main damage dealers. (At least to me since I have maxed drone skills and no Hybrid Turret Specialisation. Adding maxed ship skills to that makes it even more drone fun. :-D)
If you watch the aggro your drones might get carefully, Warrior and Valkieries will arrive at your drone bay with their armor intact, while Hobgoblin and Hammerheads often won't.
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Ki Shodan
Gallente deep blue
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Posted - 2010.01.11 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Haoibuni I have used the "Save fittings" facility but it seems to only store 1 set of fittings for anyone ship. If you try to save a new set of fittings it just overwrites the old one. Am I doing something wrong.
I am currently out-of-game, but I think, if you give the fitting another name, it will not overwrite previous fittings. --
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Ando Raed
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Posted - 2010.01.11 13:47:00 -
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Stick to gallente drones unless you are fighting a rat that seems to have an unbreakable tank. Just make sure you use lights against small ships and mediums against medium sized ships for optimal dps and whatever maxed out combination you can for battlecruiser+ ships.
Angel ships have lower explosion resists than thermal but the dps you drop switching from gallente to minmatar drones is around about the difference you make up from the change in resists on a typical ship as they have thermal resists about 20% higher than explosion and there is about a 20% drop off in damage from the different drones.
Guristas/Serpentis ships have about 10% lower kinetic resists than thermal but again gallente drones do about 10% more than caldari drones so the net effect is zip.
Blood Raiders/Sansha are typically 10-15% lower EM than thermal but Amarr drones are hilariously under powered to the tune of about 40% so there is never a scenario where you want to drop Gallente drones for Amarr drones.
You might find some bizzare mission with unusual resists but most of the stock factions don't give you any real incentive to switch from Gallente drones.
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Haoibuni
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Posted - 2010.01.11 14:09:00 -
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Thanks all for your help
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2010.01.11 18:19:00 -
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Imo, hobs and hobos are all you need for PVE.
Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.01.12 04:09:00 -
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Saved fitting names are only unique to the character, not the ship type.
If you save a fitting, eg: "Angel Blockade", then regardless of what ship it's for you'll now have a fitting named, "Angel Blockade". If you then go to fit a different ship to run that mission and save the fitting as "Angel Blockade", you'll overwrite the fitting previously known as "Angel Blockade".
To get around this, simply save each fitting as "Angel Blockade (AC cane)" or "Angel Blockade (Cruise Raven)".
No more tedium! What the fitting tool will not do for you is load the appropriate ammo/lenses into the cargo bay for you.
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