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Brunaburh
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Posted - 2010.01.13 18:05:00 -
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So it's taken a while for this obvious subject to come to mind and light, and once it had, I felt like a fool.
Everyone knows that the best PvE ships are Caldari - it's quicker and easier to train to shoot missiles and the various support skills, there are fewer skills required, and missile boats are perfect PvE vessels.
Although Caldari can use hybrid turrets, the fact that missiles are easier, and Faction Warfare complexes are the crux of what CCP has deigned "victory", a missile boat PvE king will always do better for those orbit and shoot games.
Although they can (and do) participate in the PvP side of FW, they continually measure victory based on a PvE scenario. My hat is off to you, Caldari Militia, for being the best in the game at PvE in your passive shield-tanked missile boats. Don't forget to explore the Epic Arc missions when you have downtime. After all, you are the kings of PvE.
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Sir Fourhead
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.01.13 18:16:00 -
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Because there are so many rules banning gallente militia members from using missiles too. Please pardon the prissy overtones that will be found throughout this letter, but the reservoir from which CCP draws its lickspittles is primarily the masses of revolting enemies of the people. Let me |
Printer Jam
Printer Repair and Maintenance Specialists
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Posted - 2010.01.13 18:40:00 -
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*facepalm* |
Niquita Serov
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Posted - 2010.01.13 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Printer Jam *facepalm*
This
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.01.13 20:43:00 -
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I am here to confirm that I have never, ever, seen a Gal militia member use a drake. Ever. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Draco C
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Posted - 2010.01.14 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Nib I am here to confirm that I have never, ever, seen a Gal militia member use a drake. Ever.
That's because Drakes are so 109.
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2010.01.14 00:37:00 -
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If you're serious then its lots of factors.
i) Caldari Plex NPCs high jamming percentage ii) Certain highly dedicated Caldari FW plexing members (DJ, Damar, Pervs) iii) The way plexes respawn (It's easier to defend when you're ahead on plexes I'm told) iv) The apathy for plexing in Gallente miltia (due to the lack of any real reward for gaining occupancy).
There's more I could list but you get the idea. Sure Drakes and Ravens have the range, tanks and such to make these plexes easier but these aren't the main factors as you are suggesting.
Anyway, its more likely you were just trolling the Caldari, in which case a 1/10 effort. Back to troll school with you.
....Yes, I'm bored.
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Hidden Snake
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.01.14 09:19:00 -
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The reason is simple ... dedication+stamina+organization
there was some short attempt to retake some systems, but after some time again gallente just lost the momentum and now systems are falling back to our hands (i think there are only 4 to capture now). I know pervs are doing a lot in this job, but pervs are not the only one. so it is just about dedication to go there and fight. and please do not repeat that bull**** that there are no fights in plexes.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2010.01.14 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hidden Snake now systems are falling back to our hands (i think there are only 4 to capture now). I know pervs are doing a lot in this job, but pervs are not the only one. so it is just about dedication to go there and fight. and please do not repeat that bull**** that there are no fights in plexes.
Quite a bit more actually. At the moment following systems belong to Gallente: Hevrice and Murethand in Verge Vendor. Placid has Athounon, Mercomesier, Esesier, Mantenault, Oicx, Vlilirrier, Annancale, Ostingele, Harroule, Dastryns, Uphallant, Iges and Covryn.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Veshta Yoshida
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.14 09:50:00 -
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@OP: Hahahahahahaha.
Once both sides start plexing, the fights that occur inside plexes become quite epic. We had a good 13-14 months of that in the Amarr/Minmatar conflict.
No hotdrops, no RR BS crap .. just pure gank/tank fests in cruisers and BCs .. that is where the fun and skill is.
Everything else is ePeen and killboard padding
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Tosi
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.01.14 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Tosi on 14/01/2010 13:53:54 Real reason for this is WuffWuff MeowMeow and Kassamies. oh, and Yuri Intaki too.
edit: also not to forget Xian Bling, great leader of Emperor Throne Guards!
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Cattegirn
Rampant SR
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Posted - 2010.01.14 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Cattegirn on 14/01/2010 17:27:42 Is there any in-game mechanic rewarding holding the control bunker for a system? I haven't been able to find any.
If not, what's the motivation? (I ask this sincerely.) Is it good practice for something else, perhaps? Strategy articles, PVP training |
Saikron
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Posted - 2010.01.14 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cattegirn Is it good practice for something else, perhaps?
Ya it's good practice for empire mission running.
There isn't any "material" advantage to holding or flipping systems especially when you can do a level 3 FW mission for like 2-3k LP. --------
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2010.01.16 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Nib I am here to confirm that I have never, ever, seen a Gal militia member use a drake. Ever.
ROFL
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Lokia Enroch
Disciple in Faith
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Posted - 2010.01.16 23:13:00 -
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Two largest issues with plexing mechninism in FW.
1-Requires no shot be fired depending on what faction you are facing. (Speed tank the plex)
2-No meaningful reward for plexing, gaining rank.
To fix 1, plexes should need to be shot, and destroyed. They also need towers that use different types of e-war/weapons that are separate from their racial bias. Plexes should require a couple of people to complete in a reasonable time without outsider intervention.
Making plexes require real effort means you can reward those efforts. Give LP, split between the people on the plexes KM in some fashion. Sure it will depress the Navy <ship> markets, but it will also open up the availability of other navy items people might consider buying with the LP.
Just my 2 isk.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2010.01.17 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Brunaburh So it's taken a while for this obvious subject to come to mind and light, and once it had, I felt like a fool.
Everyone knows that the best PvE ships are Caldari - it's quicker and easier to train to shoot missiles and the various support skills, there are fewer skills required, and missile boats are perfect PvE vessels.
Although Caldari can use hybrid turrets, the fact that missiles are easier, and Faction Warfare complexes are the crux of what CCP has deigned "victory", a missile boat PvE king will always do better for those orbit and shoot games.
Although they can (and do) participate in the PvP side of FW, they continually measure victory based on a PvE scenario. My hat is off to you, Caldari Militia, for being the best in the game at PvE in your passive shield-tanked missile boats. Don't forget to explore the Epic Arc missions when you have downtime. After all, you are the kings of PvE.
The main issue with gallente/caldari plexing is caldari plexes.
I hear minmatar plexes are similar but caldari plex rats ECM and pour on the missiles.
The ECM gives a huge advantage to the guy with good calamari standings fighting someone with bad standings in a plex. It's a free falcon basically. BECAUSE OF FALCON.
The missile spam is simply not the same as turret rats. You basically need a dedicated plex tanker. You can't just do it in rifters by ABing around the rats. You either have to burn off (and hope the rats switch aggro to Damar) or else have a specially fit AF with high resists.
The equivalent dedicated plexer for Gallente is like... a merlin or something.
RSDs + turrets is not the same.
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2010.01.18 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain
The main issue with gallente/caldari plexing is caldari plexes.
I hear minmatar plexes are similar but caldari plex rats ECM and pour on the missiles.
The ECM gives a huge advantage to the guy with good calamari standings fighting someone with bad standings in a plex. It's a free falcon basically. BECAUSE OF FALCON.
The missile spam is simply not the same as turret rats. You basically need a dedicated plex tanker. You can't just do it in rifters by ABing around the rats. You either have to burn off (and hope the rats switch aggro to Damar) or else have a specially fit AF with high resists.
The equivalent dedicated plexer for Gallente is like... a merlin or something.
RSDs + turrets is not the same.
LOL, have you actually tried taking Gallente plexes? I can barely ever lock anything above 10k because I'm always damped, which seems to work a lot more often than ECM. In addition, if you plan to speed-tank Gal plexes, you're almost completely defenseless against any attackers that warp in. Sticking an AB on a merlin will get you killed, fast, incidentally.
You can speed tank Caldari plexes too, incidentally, just not the same way, and I've seen it done. The Amarr FWers have it the worst, because TPs + missiles mean no speed tanking. Fortunately for the Gals, Caldari don't have TPs.
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Hidden Snake
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.01.18 08:38:00 -
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well gal plexes are now ballanced ... they hit more often and they damp like hell. and yes u need mwd or very fast AB ship to speed tank them.
It is correction of last 1-2 months. reality is that frogs are just complaining. Funny things that complains are more from people who never plexed.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.01.18 09:53:00 -
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More people on one side of the war decide to **** away their time doing something useless.
In a way, that's not winning, that's self griefing *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.01.19 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose More people on one side of the war decide to **** away their time doing something useless.
In a way, that's not winning, that's self griefing
GOOD POINT !
But, why you are self griefing irl? This game is quite useless in real life. If you think that something you do in this game has more meaning than other you are wrong. FW plexing is quite good way to use time and isn't that all about in this game?
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