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Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:28:00 -
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I'm quite amazed no capsuleer posted an opinion about this yet.
Some time ago agents of Goonswarm infiltrated the 24th Crusade and the Tribal Liberation Force and started to work on a scheme to scam the sponsoring governments. They found a weakness in the bureaucratic procedures of the TLF proceeded to exploit it.
Agents of the TLF approved handouts of huge loyalty rewards to these Goonswarm agents. The loyalty rewards bestowed upon these scammers dwarfed the loyalty shown to known TLF heroes like Sasawong and the Republic signed over trillions of isk of rewards to the Goonswarm infiltrators without conducting any investigation.
The infiltrators managed to stay out of sight of their fellow capsuleers simply because despite the Republic didn't advertise that a few capsuleers were getting these huge loyalty rewards. Their militia ranks weren't raised, in fact most TLF or 24th Crusade militia members were oblivious to their existence because they didn't make any meaningful contribution to the war, like attacking or defending installations.
What their manipulations did allow for is the other capsuleers employed by the TLF to also fill their pockets as they cashed in on their loyalty rewards. Countless additional billions were extracted from Republic coffers and the skies swarmed with Fleet Issue Stabbers-class cruisers.
The amount of wealth extracted is so large that it would probably be enough to finance the rebuilding of the fleet lost to Empress Jamyl. Will the Republic ever recover from this financial bloodletting, and how did TLF bureaucrats let it go this far? One would expect at least some questions to be asked when complete unknowns get these amount of loyalty rewards.
Also I would expect those loyal to the Republic to consider these infiltrators and Goonswarm to be public enemy number one to for some time to come. Goonswarm inflicted more fiscal damage to the Republic than years of struggle in the low-sec regions cost them. I would also expect the loyalist to return some of the gains they themselves received as a result of the manipulation of the TLF reward system.
As I have understood it, the Star Fraction is already in a mutual war with Goonswarm (over other reasons), and some of the TLF organizations are already aiding them in this conflict. Are the other Republic loyalist parties no outraged by this Goonswarm coup? Are there no war-decs or public declarations of hostility being handed out? Do the TLF militia member organizations approve of this attempt to bite off and swallow hole the hand that feeds them?
Why is everyone staying silent on this scam which is of a size that it has galaxy-wide repercussions? Why do capsuleers on the Summit prefer to report on small issues like prison escapes and attempted coverups? Have we become this small-minded?
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Ariel Marquette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:49:00 -
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I was under the impression that most civilized people already hate the Goons and no further declarations of such hostility are really necessary. The fact remains that Goons have the manpower and ill-gotten resources to put down any opposition, so it's probably best to simply ignore them and hope that perhaps CONCORD or the national governments someday take the time to do something about them. |
Tiny Temper
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:53:00 -
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If the Republic was stupid enough to give them all that ISK without even doing basic security checks then they deserve what they got... Maybe the Amarrians have a point when they say we would be better off being managed by them.
Of course I dont really believe that but certainly The Republic has shown itself to be inept and unworthy of Minmatar Capsuleer support - we continue the struggle on our own.
As for the Goons they simply took advantage of our government's ineptitude and demonstrated how patheticly weak our 'official' leadership is... They cannot be blamed for that... |
Saede Riordan
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.06.24 13:31:00 -
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Just another example of the Shakorite Government trading the care of their people for endless warmongering. I'll bet the Republic knew exactly what goonswarm was doing, and considered it a 'valued contribution to the war effort.' Just another sign that the entire Republic, as an institution, is completely rotten to the core, and no longer represents or cares for the people within its borders. It will fight tooth and nail to save you from slavery, but once free, good luck, enjoy your disease ridden refugee camps. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
96
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Posted - 2012.06.24 15:32:00 -
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I'd be amazed if this does not break at least one of the rules that were set for these wars. Then again, CONCORD is struggling with finding efficient ways to reward capsuleers for participating in certain conflicts without some loopholes in the system. But if rules were broken, than consequenses for the offenders would or should follow. Join in game channel/mailing list: New Eden Racing Sub-warp racing event thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107164 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10543
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Posted - 2012.06.24 15:34:00 -
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My dear friend,
I believe this incident is just further proof that the pursuit of wealth, or greed if you prefer, is a greater force than you admit.
Do keep in touch. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2512
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Posted - 2012.06.24 16:42:00 -
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Merdaneth wrote:I'm quite amazed no capsuleer posted an opinion about this yet. Some time ago agents of Goonswarm infiltrated the 24th Crusade and the Tribal Liberation Force and started to work on a scheme to scam the sponsoring governments. They found a weakness in the bureaucratic procedures of the TLF proceeded to exploit it. Agents of the TLF approved handouts of huge loyalty rewards to these Goonswarm agents. The loyalty rewards bestowed upon these scammers dwarfed the loyalty shown to known TLF heroes like Sasawong. The Republic simply signed over trillions of isk of rewards to the Goonswarm infiltrators without conducting any investigation. The infiltrators managed to stay out of sight of their fellow capsuleers simply because the Republic didn't advertise that a few capsuleers were getting these huge loyalty rewards. Their militia ranks weren't raised, in fact, most TLF or 24th Crusade militia members were oblivious to their existence because the inflitrators didn't make any meaningful contribution to the war, like attacking or defending installations. Their manipulations did allow for other capsuleers employed by the TLF to also fill their pockets as they cashed in on their loyalty rewards. Countless additional billions were extracted from Republic coffers and the skies swarmed with Fleet Issue Stabbers-class cruisers. The amount of wealth extracted is so large that it would probably be enough to finance the rebuilding of the fleet lost to Empress Jamyl. Will the Republic ever recover from this financial bloodletting, and how did TLF bureaucrats let it go this far? One would expect at least some questions to be asked when complete unknowns get these amount of loyalty rewards. Also I would expect those loyal to the Republic to consider these infiltrators and Goonswarm to be public enemy number one to for some time to come. Goonswarm inflicted more fiscal damage to the Republic than years of struggle in the low-sec regions cost them. I would also expect the loyalist to return some of the gains they themselves received as a result of the manipulation of the TLF reward system. As I have understood it, the Star Fraction is already in a mutual war with Goonswarm (over other reasons), and some of the TLF organizations are already aiding them in this conflict. Are the other Republic loyalist parties no outraged by this Goonswarm coup? Are there no war-decs or public declarations of hostility being handed out? Do the TLF militia member organizations approve of this attempt to bite off and swallow hole the hand that feeds them? Why is everyone staying silent on this scam which is of a size that it has galaxy-wide repercussions? Why do capsuleers on the Summit prefer to report on small issues like prison escapes and attempted coverups? Have we become this small-minded?
The Star Fraction war against The Goonswarm Federation currently involves 50 allied corporations and alliances who have joined the fight against Goon Imperialism and have dealt a good number of starship kills over the last few weeks. Goonswarm is currently losing the war by about 14b isk to 1.5b and 5-1 ratio of hulls destroyed in space - and one particularly succulent destruction of a fully-laden moon-mineral jump freighter on its way to the Jita market.
Sadly these numbers are utterly insignificant in contrast to the sums looted by infilration of the TLF, 24th Crusade and (to a lesser degree) State Protectorate agencies.
Worse yet, the defense coalition we have assembled has been effectively outlawed by the Concord Assembly and will be dissolved in 2 weeks time when the first new "war tax" payment is demanded of the Star Fraction alliance wallet. Concord is intending to charge the Star Fraction an estimated 10 Sextillian ISK to maintain our 50 allies in a state of war against Goonswarm in a recurring payment for every 2 weeks.
This sum of money far exceeds the total estimated worth of New Eden, so cannot be seen in any other terms as Concord Assembly taking steps to protect The Goonswarm Federation from hisec war consequences.
And once the Star Fraction coalition against Goonswarm is removed there will be no effective way to strike back against the largest capsuleer power in New Eden (which is now also unquestionably the richest and best connected).
We obviously condemn the cowardice of Concord Officials involved in this decision.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10543
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Posted - 2012.06.24 17:26:00 -
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Jade ConstantineGÇö
If you and yours wish to fight the Right-Honourable GoonSwarm Federation of Space Planets in a CONCORD-sanctioned war in High-Security space, then why don't you and your coalition members simply join into a single capsuleer alliance? Doing so would allow you to pay a greatly reduced war fee.
On the other hand, if you wish to actually wage a meaningful war against the Right-Honourable GoonSwarm Federation of Space Planets, and by extension the Clusterfuck Coalition of Space Friends, then why don't you simply get a bunch of people in fleet and make your way towards our Sovereignty claims? I promise you, should your force make a direct attack against any of our Sovereignty infrastructure, the blind eyes presently paying you little mind would suddenly open, and you would be given opportunity to participate in as grand a campaign as your wallet, and your morale, could fund.
I would be the first to congratulate you on any victory you gain against our Sovereignty.
Loving Regards, Lyris GÖÑ Nairn Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2516
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Posted - 2012.06.24 17:46:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Jade ConstantineGÇö If you and yours wish to fight the Right-Honourable GoonSwarm Federation of Space Planets in a CONCORD-sanctioned war in High-Security space, then why don't you and your coalition members simply join into a single capsuleer alliance? Doing so would allow you to pay a greatly reduced war fee.
Well that would involve the creation of an additional 50 corporations with attendant personnel to ensure said alliance was appropriately-insured against infiltration and destruction by the Band of Brothers/Ushra'khan alliance theft/takeover mechanic.
The concord registration fees of these additional "corp leaders" required for a purely admin role would exceed eight billion isk per month in pilot dues - this would increase the overall defensive costs of the coalition to 1b ISK + 8.2b isk per month (registration overhead + alliance maintenance fees) to counter the 50m isk (per week) that GoonSwarm Federation currently pay to maintain the outgoing war (while nonetheless continuing to be outnumbered on registered capsuleer headcount by around 10-1 against.)
(I can see why you might prefer the fee structure of the conflict to switch to 180x in Goonswarm's Favour - but really, do you think you are scamming the New Pilot recruitment channel here?)
Of course concord could "fix" the vulnerability of formal alliance structures but then how would GoonSwarm Federation ever handle the disband of the next Band of Brothers? In short though, your proposal makes absolutely no fiscal sense.
Lyris Nairn wrote:On the other hand, if you wish to actually wage a meaningful war against the Right-Honourable GoonSwarm Federation of Space Planets, and by extension the Clusterfuck Coalition of Space Friends, then why don't you simply get a bunch of people in fleet and make your way towards our Sovereignty claims? I promise you, should your force make a direct attack against any of our Sovereignty infrastructure, the blind eyes presently paying you little mind would suddenly open, and you would be given opportunity to participate in as grand a campaign as your wallet, and your morale, could fund.
As I've had the opportunity to endlessly remind your Goonish brethen elsewhere. Your leader Mittani declared this war with the sole declared purpose of well ... killing me. That puts the onus on prosecuting said war on the aggressor and means your troops are obligated to bring the fight to me, rather than simply sitting on moon-mineral-engorged backsides and expect to have all the defensive benefits of a vast nullsec coalition to stack the deck.
Any corporate or alliance leader who has declared a war against a hated foe and then refused to make the slightest effort to prosecute said war (instead wriggling and complaining and making airy remarks about how the target should bring themselves to the lazy sights of a nullsec fortress) is habitually-mocked on the Intergalactic summit.
That such an embarrassment is compounded by the shameful Concord decision to obliterate the defensive coalition facing you after a mere week of warfare (that Goonswarm soundly lost) simply makes matters look worst for your absentee leader.
When I declare a war against a foe I am at the front lines fighting it - not several thousand light years away begging concord to save me from the hisec uprising that is ambushing my jump freighters and completely humiliating my comrades at every turn.
It is a lesson you could do well to learn.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10543
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Posted - 2012.06.24 17:48:00 -
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That was an awful lot of words to say "no". Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2516
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Posted - 2012.06.24 17:50:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:That was an awful lot of words to say "no".
whereas you used mercifully few to surrender the debate. Better luck next time.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10543
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Posted - 2012.06.24 17:56:00 -
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I wasn't aware we were having one, Ms. Constantine. At best, we talked past each other; at worst, we blared our own brands of propaganda at onlookers; and, the truth doubtlessly lies in the middle. I see no reason not to be civil, even if our discourse is not in the context of a formal debate. Do you not agree? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2516
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Posted - 2012.06.24 18:07:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:I see no reason not to be civil, even if our discourse is not in the context of a formal debate. Do you not agree?
Sometimes you seem to forget that I am terrorist. Given the opportunity I would happily put a burst of flechette-rounds through your face and leave your bloody corpse as warning to tyrants who underestimate the will to murder in the human condition. You embody everything I despise. Its probably fortunate your cowardice keeps you a very long way from the places I make my home or you'd face the mockery of your leader on the lonely flight back to 0.0 in your capsule.
Civility has no virtue uncoupled from any notion of self respect.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10543
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Posted - 2012.06.24 18:10:00 -
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Back on topic!
Meradeth, I believe you misunderstand the situation.
The Right-Honourable GoonSwarm Federation of Space Planets actually enriched the militia forces by purchasing items from the quartermasters with loyalty points and InterStellar Kredits. The massive fortunes that were made by certain capsuleers of the GoonWaffe Corporation came from other capsuleers who bought those goods from said GoonWaffe Corporation pilots. What exactly is it that has been done wrong here? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10545
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Posted - 2012.06.24 18:23:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:I see no reason not to be civil, even if our discourse is not in the context of a formal debate. Do you not agree? Sometimes you seem to forget that I am terrorist. Given the opportunity I would happily put a burst of flechette-rounds through your face and leave your bloody corpse as warning to tyrants who underestimate the will to murder in the human condition. You embody everything I despise. Its probably fortunate your cowardice keeps you a very long way from the places I make my home or you'd face the mockery of your leader on the lonely flight back to 0.0 in your capsule. Civility has no virtue uncoupled from any notion of self respect. And you seem to have forgotten that you address Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com, the intrepid Sky Captain of Your Heart, Space Friend to All, and Goodposter Extraordinaire of the Right-Honourable GoonSwarm Federation of Space Planets. I will gladly present you the opportunity match your actions to your words, and I shall handily defeat you in space just as surely as you will make a grandiose post claiming to have won despite losing. For that is the type of creatures we each are, Ms. Constantine: I am eager to shoot things, and you are eager to talk about yourself.
Name the terms of engagement. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2516
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Posted - 2012.06.24 18:37:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:I see no reason not to be civil, even if our discourse is not in the context of a formal debate. Do you not agree? Sometimes you seem to forget that I am terrorist. Given the opportunity I would happily put a burst of flechette-rounds through your face and leave your bloody corpse as warning to tyrants who underestimate the will to murder in the human condition. You embody everything I despise. Its probably fortunate your cowardice keeps you a very long way from the places I make my home or you'd face the mockery of your leader on the lonely flight back to 0.0 in your capsule. Civility has no virtue uncoupled from any notion of self respect. And you seem to have forgotten that you address Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com, the intrepid Sky Captain of Your Heart, Space Friend to All, and Goodposter Extraordinaire of the Right-Honourable GoonSwarm Federation of Space Planets. I will gladly present you the opportunity match your actions to your words, and I shall handily defeat you in space just as surely as you will make a grandiose post claiming to have won despite losing. Name the terms of engagement.
Present yourself bound and blindfolded (preferably drugged) on the concourse of Kourmonen II - Moon 2 - X-Sense Chemical Refiney around 2am this evening. "The terms of the engagement" will involve a small knife and your bodily organs to be followed by a switft trip to the biorecycling bins.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10545
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Posted - 2012.06.24 18:40:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Present yourself bound and blindfolded (preferably drugged) on the concourse of Kourmonen II - Moon 2 - X-Sense Chemical Refiney around 2am this evening.
I stopped reading after the first sentence, for fear that I might intrude upon a private fantasy better suited to La Maison. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
635
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Posted - 2012.06.24 19:25:00 -
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Alright you two. This conversation is best left to other cesspools ((forums)), where it has already been tiredly debated for the past month. We don't need it here in another context.
In short, get back on topic. |
Kalaratiri
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.06.24 19:36:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote: And you seem to have forgotten that you address Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com, the intrepid Sky Captain of Your Heart, Space Friend to All, and Goodposter Extraordinaire of the Right-Honourable GoonSwarm Federation of Space Planets.
Damn, not quite as many as Vaari. Nearly there though! |
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2012.06.24 19:47:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:The Right-Honourable GoonSwarm Federation of Space Planets actually enriched the militia forces by purchasing items from the quartermasters with loyalty points and InterStellar Kredits. The massive fortunes that were made by certain capsuleers of the GoonWaffe Corporation came from other capsuleers who bought those goods from said GoonWaffe Corporation pilots. What exactly is it that has been done wrong here?
Ms. Nairn, please do not insult my intelligence nor your own.
You are perfectly aware of the concept of opportunity cost. These goods could have been sold by the Republic to capsuleers for trillions of isk extra profit too. The Republic offers them at a discount for people who show loyalty to their aims, in hopes that the good purchased with these discounts will be used to further the goals of the Republic.
I'm quite sure this doesn't apply at all to the concerned capsuleers, who I firmly believe have no shred of loyalty for the Republic or the Amarr Empire.
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snake driver
Ningishzida Research and Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2012.06.24 19:49:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Back on topic!
Meradeth, I believe you misunderstand the situation.
The Right-Honourable GoonSwarm Federation of Space Planets actually enriched the militia forces by purchasing items from the quartermasters with loyalty points and InterStellar Kredits. The massive fortunes that were made by certain capsuleers of the GoonWaffe Corporation came from other capsuleers who bought those goods from said GoonWaffe Corporation pilots. What exactly is it that has been done wrong here?
For representing an organization that's quite good at economics, you're really terrible. You found a way to get the TLF to give you tons of loyalty points for doing roughly nothing. You then swapped those for goods, and sold the goods.
You essentially played middle man for the republic to sell its goods to the capsuleer market. The fact that you made so much money doing so means that someone got screwed - specifically, the Republic, giving you valuable goods for next to nothing.
I understand that you are here for propaganda purposes, but even this is a bit of a stretch, unless you're taking pages from Jade's book. I wouldn't advise that, she's better at bullshit than you are. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10545
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Posted - 2012.06.25 01:30:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Alright you two. This conversation is best left to other cesspools ((forums)), where it has already been tiredly debated for the past month. We don't need it here in another context.
In short, get back on topic. I took Ms. Constantine's silence as a sure sign that she'd taken her ball and gone home.
So far as I can see, that particular branch of the conversation has been pruned. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10545
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Posted - 2012.06.25 01:31:00 -
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snake driver wrote: I understand that you are here for propaganda purposes
Then you misunderstand me entirely. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10545
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Posted - 2012.06.25 01:36:00 -
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Merdaneth wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:The Right-Honourable GoonSwarm Federation of Space Planets actually enriched the militia forces by purchasing items from the quartermasters with loyalty points and InterStellar Kredits. The massive fortunes that were made by certain capsuleers of the GoonWaffe Corporation came from other capsuleers who bought those goods from said GoonWaffe Corporation pilots. What exactly is it that has been done wrong here? Ms. Nairn, please do not insult my intelligence nor your own. You are perfectly aware of the concept of opportunity cost. These goods could have been sold by the Republic to capsuleers for trillions of isk extra profit too. The Republic offers them at a discount for people who show loyalty to their aims, in hopes that the good purchased with these discounts will be used to further the goals of the Republic. I'm quite sure this doesn't apply at all to the concerned capsuleers, who I firmly believe have no shred of loyalty for the Republic or the Amarr Empire. I have a concept of opportunity cost, this is true; however, I also have a detached view of what happened.
You speak of the "goals of the Republic" which should have been advanced. They were. If you check the maps, you will notice that the TLF gained significantly entrenched positions as a result of the efforts taken by GoonWaffe Corporation pilots. That the efforts were taken in the pursuit of personal greed rather than out of patriotic duty to the Republic is no more a valid accusation against the GoonWaffe Corporation pilots responsible than it is against any civilian weapons manufacturer, any freelance mercenary enlisted to the cause, or any turn-coat lured by promises of a better life. If your offense is drawn from the motivations of the people involved, then that is an entirely separate argument. You cannot win an argument against the results of actions, since those actions greatly favoured the Republic cause insomuch as the TLF enjoyed massive gains without precedent. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
436
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Posted - 2012.06.25 04:23:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote: [...] the Right-Honourable GoonSwarm Federation of Space Planets, and by extension the Clusterfuck Coalition of Space Friends [...] Loving Regards, Lyris GÖÑ Nairn
I love it when walking garbage has delusions of class, don't you?
You're not funny anymore, Lyris.
Shut it. In irae, veritas. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10546
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Posted - 2012.06.25 04:43:00 -
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I suppose we're both lucky that I'm not here to entertain you. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
165
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Posted - 2012.06.25 05:49:00 -
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Unbelievable.
The Republic is already focusing too much of it's resources into the war. The willingness to give away trillions as an incentive without investigation demonstrates this more than ever.
But of course I expect that those of my kin with unyielding support for the Republic will point fingers at the Goonswarm Federation and willfully ignore the sheer absurdity of the situation.
I'd say more, but frankly I feel sick. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10546
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Posted - 2012.06.25 06:28:00 -
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Yes, it truly is a shame that people are able to profit by the stupidity of others. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
18
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Posted - 2012.06.25 07:10:00 -
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This is just another case of GOON's WAIAFU, working as intended all funyunned up. GOON is perhaps the most disgusting of entities, capitalists taking advantage of opportunities, making the most of any situation and being good at seizing the day....ugly ugly people. Actually, when I put it like that, they seem more like businessmen who made our nations great and then became demonized for being successful. Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Bradly Shepard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.25 07:53:00 -
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The funny thing is, that others were doing this too. Not the the degree of the Gomnswarm Federation but still were doing it. Even the glorious and honourable Jade admitted to it in which she boasted she stole 8.7billion from the TLF.
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