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Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:01:00 -
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Okay, I am seriously about 5 minutes from quitting EVE, no one in my Corp has been able to answer this question, or they simply just say 'That shouldn't happen, not sure'.
Simply put, my drones suck, and it's making the game unplayable for anything lvl 3 + mission wise.
Before people ask, I have Drone's lvl 5 and all t1 drone support skills (nav, dur,sharp, inter) are at 4.
I use Berserkers and Warriors depending on the type of ship I want them to kill.
EVEN WITH A WEBBED TARGET, all they do is orbit, fire, and miss (or do like 3dmg).
Yes, EVEN WITH WEBBED TARGET. I know, what the ****?
Yes, I am locked onto a target and Yes, I am hitting "F" to make them attack. They are all in "Fighting" mode, I know how to make them work, duh.
So seriously, with those skills, why the **** can't they hit even a webbed target?
They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out.
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Ernest Erkannen
AirHogs Zulu People
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:15:00 -
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are you using t1 drones? |
Temuken Radzu
Bendebeukers Green Rhino
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:15:00 -
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Do you use the appropriate drones against the right ship class? Medium and Heavy drones have some trouble with smaller targets like frigs. I once got stuck in a lv4 because i didnt have any light drones to take down the scrambling frigs. Luckely someone helped me out.
Light against frigates Medium vs destroyers and cruisers Heavy vs battleschips.
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Esna Pitoojee
The Peerage Amarr 7th Fleet
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:17:00 -
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Also, how many and with what hull are you launching them? |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:18:00 -
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Yes I am using t1 drones, I said Berserkers and Warriors.
I also said that yes I deploy them based on what type of ship I am fighting. (ie, light drones for frigs, heavy for larger) |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:19:00 -
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Using 5 of each Light/Heavy depending on situation.
Using a Megathron Navy Issue, which isn't as Drone savvy as Dominix I know but it should still work. |
Ernest Erkannen
AirHogs Zulu People
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:20:00 -
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use t2. t1 lack in damage |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:22:00 -
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Use t2? I don't have those skills yet haha |
Walter JustWalter
ZZtopless
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:28:00 -
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Blood Raider lowest resist is EM (Acolyte drones). The ship you mentioned is http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=11040
Is there an Incursion going on in your area right now that might be de-buffing your damage? |
Aaewen Hrothgarson
Inhunnr Shuggnr Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:29:00 -
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Hello
There are a lot more skills you didn't mention. Berserkers are heavy drones, not needed for Level 3 missions. They wont hit cruisers well not to mention frigates. Also they need an extra skill to deal damage well.
As already mentioned above, you need to match drone size to target size. For level 3 you should have a flight of medium scout and a flight of light scout (if drone bay permits).
Also, you mentioned only Minmatar drones. Those might be the fastest, but as IIRC have the lowest damage multiplicator, PLUS doing explosive damage. Blood raider are weakest against EM and strongest against explosive. Either use Gallente (highest damage multiplicator) or the type that matches the NPC's vulnerability (in case of blood raiders Amarr drones - they deal EM).
Test around against belt spawns (frigates) first. |
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J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:29:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Yes I am using t1 drones, I said Berserkers and Warriors.
I also said that yes I deploy them based on what type of ship I am fighting. (ie, light drones for frigs, heavy for larger)
Heavies don't work that well against cruiser type rats.
Try using the Valkyrie I's (Mediums), they work better against Cruiser sized rats.
And maybe different Damage type (different race of drones) Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:30:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Using 5 of each Light/Heavy depending on situation.
Using a Megathron Navy Issue, which isn't as Drone savvy as Dominix I know but it should still work.
There's your problem. Without the ship-based damage bonus, drones are not a primary weapon system, period. The Megathron's primary weapon is ship turrets, typically large hybrids.
You're also using explosive drones against Blood raiders, whose Explosive resist is literally their highest resistance.
That summarizes the primary reasons you're having problems. Potentially, also:
Quote:(nav, dur,sharp, inter)
Scout drone operation is also 5% per for mediums/smalls and heavy drone operation is 5% per for larges.
You should get at least Scout drone op V, it's a fast train and unlocks the specialization skills for medium/smalls, that's another 20% damage or so from using T2 and some change from the damage bonus. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:33:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out. Berserkers and Warriors do explosive damage. Blood Raiders are weak to EM damage, but I recommend using thermal instead as Hobgoblins and Hammerhead have a much higher damage multiplier.
In fact, thermal damage is good for any mission. |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:54:00 -
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Okay, so skill for T2 drones, and use a different race of Drone. I'll try that. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2012.06.25 00:35:00 -
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if you are webbing the target is is possible that the drones are orbiting it too fast to be able to hit the target.
also I find heavy drones very good at killing frigs because they will mwd up to them and once that finishes they are slower than the frig so they trail it and shoot right up the tailpipe at low transversial.
doing scout drone op to 5 to get access to t2 scout drones is also highly recommended. |
Flakey Foont
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Posted - 2012.06.25 02:02:00 -
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Great corp! |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.25 04:49:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Yes I am using t1 drones, I said Berserkers and Warriors.
I also said that yes I deploy them based on what type of ship I am fighting. (ie, light drones for frigs, heavy for larger)
T1 drones are god awful.
EDIT: Also Sentry drones are the best drones. |
Xtrah
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Posted - 2012.06.25 04:51:00 -
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T2 drones will fix your problem. In L3s, go for 5 frig-killing drones, while you use your guns to shoot cruisers and above. |
Martin0
Maximum-Overload M-A-T-R-I-X Allianz
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Posted - 2012.06.25 07:11:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote: I use Berserkers and Warriors depending on the type of ship I want them to kill.
They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out.
noone sees the problem? you are using the wrong drones, blood raiders are resistant to exp damage, they are weal to EM and THERMAL damage. You should use gallente drones |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.25 08:31:00 -
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Martin0 wrote:Jecht Windu wrote: I use Berserkers and Warriors depending on the type of ship I want them to kill.
They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out.
noone sees the problem? you are using the wrong drones, blood raiders are resistant to exp damage, they are weal to EM and THERMAL damage. You should use gallente drones
I actually am having the problem with pretty much every combo, I just used that as an example. Same issue with Hobgoblins and Hammerheads. |
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Sin Pew
Dakini Rising The Kali Cartel
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Posted - 2012.06.25 08:54:00 -
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I recall seeing mention of drone nav becoming a hassle when you train it too high because the faster your drone fly, the more likely they'll miss their targets. If anyone can confirm... I didn't train it beyond 3 for now as I got better stuff to train than drones at the moment. Also, have you tried a target painter instead of a web? slowing the target is one thing, making it easier to hit, another. And yes, T1 drones do laughable damage, but even with my meager drones skills, I never faced the problem in L3 missions, only frigates they couldn't break the tank of, were "dire" gurista or "loyal" sansha wich have very tough resists. "- You want a sandwich, Bacon?" Support horizontal scrollbars in Eve! Click here, tyvm. |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:02:00 -
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Just an update. As we speak right now I am using Hammerheads and Hobgoblins on Corpii cruiser size ships...
They are doing nothing, they can't kill even 1. At the 20min mark, they cant break its shield it just regens. I have tried with light, medium, and heavy drones, with WEBBING AND NOT WEBBING the target,... All combos tried. I'm not an idiot guys.
So all of you who posted saying it had to do with not using Gallente against EM/Therm weak ships, that's obviously not the issue.
Getting really mad and guess I'm quittng EVE. You all gave good advice but none of it worked, the ONLY thing I haven't tried is getting t2 drones. But most of you have said t1 drones works fine in l3...
It really bothers me that NO ONE can figure this out. |
Flakey Foont
159
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:04:00 -
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Something is off. Can you post your Eveboard or at least your drone skills? |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:04:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Just an update. As we speak right now I am using Hammerheads and Hobgoblins on Corpii cruiser size ships...
They are doing nothing, they can't kill even 1. At the 20min mark, they cant break its shield it just regens. I have tried with BOTH types of drones, with WEBBING AND NOT WEBBING the target,... All combos tried. I'm not an idiot guys.
So all of you who posted saying it had to do with not using Gallente against EM/Therm weak ships, that's obviously not the issue.
Getting really mad and guess I'm quittng EVE. You all gave good advice but none of it worked, the ONLY thing I haven't tried is getting t2 drones. But most of you have said t1 drones works fine in l3...
It really bothers me that NO ONE can figure this out.
And this attitude means you won't get help.
Done with pathetic attitude. Stop asking for help if you only complain. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:05:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Jecht Windu wrote:Just an update. As we speak right now I am using Hammerheads and Hobgoblins on Corpii cruiser size ships...
They are doing nothing, they can't kill even 1. At the 20min mark, they cant break its shield it just regens. I have tried with BOTH types of drones, with WEBBING AND NOT WEBBING the target,... All combos tried. I'm not an idiot guys.
So all of you who posted saying it had to do with not using Gallente against EM/Therm weak ships, that's obviously not the issue.
Getting really mad and guess I'm quittng EVE. You all gave good advice but none of it worked, the ONLY thing I haven't tried is getting t2 drones. But most of you have said t1 drones works fine in l3...
It really bothers me that NO ONE can figure this out. And this attitude means you won't get help. Done with pathetic attitude. Stop asking for help if you only complain.
Then don't help. It's EVE, don't expect people to be Carebear.
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J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
295
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:09:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:J'Poll wrote:Jecht Windu wrote:Just an update. As we speak right now I am using Hammerheads and Hobgoblins on Corpii cruiser size ships...
They are doing nothing, they can't kill even 1. At the 20min mark, they cant break its shield it just regens. I have tried with BOTH types of drones, with WEBBING AND NOT WEBBING the target,... All combos tried. I'm not an idiot guys.
So all of you who posted saying it had to do with not using Gallente against EM/Therm weak ships, that's obviously not the issue.
Getting really mad and guess I'm quittng EVE. You all gave good advice but none of it worked, the ONLY thing I haven't tried is getting t2 drones. But most of you have said t1 drones works fine in l3...
It really bothers me that NO ONE can figure this out. And this attitude means you won't get help. Done with pathetic attitude. Stop asking for help if you only complain. Then don't help. It's EVE, don't expect people to be Carebear.
Mission running = Carebearing
Like said:
I run missions with my alt who has only the bare basic drone skills yet his T1 drones can kill rats in level 4's. So stop complaining, start listening. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:10:00 -
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Haha, I live in Null Jpoll. I just want to build up some lvl 5 agents. |
Ryelek d'Entari
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:11:00 -
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(a) import your character into eveboard so we can have a look. (b) post a copy/paste of your combat log after one of these epic 20 minute frigate vs. drone fights. You can find this in the neocom. (c) post your fit.
Then maybe we can help you. You're clearly doing something wrong, but we're not clairvoyant. |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:12:00 -
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Ryelek d'Entari wrote:(a) import your character into eveboard so we can have a look. (b) post a copy/paste of your combat log after one of these epic 20 minute frigate vs. drone fights. You can find this in the neocom. (c) post your fit. Then maybe we can help you. You're clearly doing something wrong, but we're not clairvoyant.
Will look into Eveboard and try to get an update for you guys.
For whoever asked about Drone skills.
Drones lvl 5. Scout Drone Op lvl 4 (almost 5) Heavy drones lvl 3 Drone Nav lvl 3 Drone Interfacting lvl 4 Drone Durability lvl 3 Drone Sharpshooting lvl 3 |
Flakey Foont
159
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:12:00 -
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You need to train "Combat Drone Operation". Now.
Skill at controlling scout drones. 5% Bonus to drone damage of light and medium drones per level. |
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