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Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:01:00 -
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Okay, I am seriously about 5 minutes from quitting EVE, no one in my Corp has been able to answer this question, or they simply just say 'That shouldn't happen, not sure'.
Simply put, my drones suck, and it's making the game unplayable for anything lvl 3 + mission wise.
Before people ask, I have Drone's lvl 5 and all t1 drone support skills (nav, dur,sharp, inter) are at 4.
I use Berserkers and Warriors depending on the type of ship I want them to kill.
EVEN WITH A WEBBED TARGET, all they do is orbit, fire, and miss (or do like 3dmg).
Yes, EVEN WITH WEBBED TARGET. I know, what the ****?
Yes, I am locked onto a target and Yes, I am hitting "F" to make them attack. They are all in "Fighting" mode, I know how to make them work, duh.
So seriously, with those skills, why the **** can't they hit even a webbed target?
They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out.
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Ernest Erkannen
AirHogs Zulu People
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:15:00 -
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are you using t1 drones? |
Temuken Radzu
Bendebeukers Green Rhino
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:15:00 -
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Do you use the appropriate drones against the right ship class? Medium and Heavy drones have some trouble with smaller targets like frigs. I once got stuck in a lv4 because i didnt have any light drones to take down the scrambling frigs. Luckely someone helped me out.
Light against frigates Medium vs destroyers and cruisers Heavy vs battleschips.
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Esna Pitoojee
The Peerage Amarr 7th Fleet
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:17:00 -
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Also, how many and with what hull are you launching them? |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:18:00 -
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Yes I am using t1 drones, I said Berserkers and Warriors.
I also said that yes I deploy them based on what type of ship I am fighting. (ie, light drones for frigs, heavy for larger) |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:19:00 -
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Using 5 of each Light/Heavy depending on situation.
Using a Megathron Navy Issue, which isn't as Drone savvy as Dominix I know but it should still work. |
Ernest Erkannen
AirHogs Zulu People
5
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:20:00 -
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use t2. t1 lack in damage |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:22:00 -
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Use t2? I don't have those skills yet haha |
Walter JustWalter
ZZtopless
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:28:00 -
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Blood Raider lowest resist is EM (Acolyte drones). The ship you mentioned is http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=11040
Is there an Incursion going on in your area right now that might be de-buffing your damage? |
Aaewen Hrothgarson
Inhunnr Shuggnr Enterprises
6
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:29:00 -
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Hello
There are a lot more skills you didn't mention. Berserkers are heavy drones, not needed for Level 3 missions. They wont hit cruisers well not to mention frigates. Also they need an extra skill to deal damage well.
As already mentioned above, you need to match drone size to target size. For level 3 you should have a flight of medium scout and a flight of light scout (if drone bay permits).
Also, you mentioned only Minmatar drones. Those might be the fastest, but as IIRC have the lowest damage multiplicator, PLUS doing explosive damage. Blood raider are weakest against EM and strongest against explosive. Either use Gallente (highest damage multiplicator) or the type that matches the NPC's vulnerability (in case of blood raiders Amarr drones - they deal EM).
Test around against belt spawns (frigates) first. |
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J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
287
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:29:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Yes I am using t1 drones, I said Berserkers and Warriors.
I also said that yes I deploy them based on what type of ship I am fighting. (ie, light drones for frigs, heavy for larger)
Heavies don't work that well against cruiser type rats.
Try using the Valkyrie I's (Mediums), they work better against Cruiser sized rats.
And maybe different Damage type (different race of drones) Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:30:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Using 5 of each Light/Heavy depending on situation.
Using a Megathron Navy Issue, which isn't as Drone savvy as Dominix I know but it should still work.
There's your problem. Without the ship-based damage bonus, drones are not a primary weapon system, period. The Megathron's primary weapon is ship turrets, typically large hybrids.
You're also using explosive drones against Blood raiders, whose Explosive resist is literally their highest resistance.
That summarizes the primary reasons you're having problems. Potentially, also:
Quote:(nav, dur,sharp, inter)
Scout drone operation is also 5% per for mediums/smalls and heavy drone operation is 5% per for larges.
You should get at least Scout drone op V, it's a fast train and unlocks the specialization skills for medium/smalls, that's another 20% damage or so from using T2 and some change from the damage bonus. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
783
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:33:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out. Berserkers and Warriors do explosive damage. Blood Raiders are weak to EM damage, but I recommend using thermal instead as Hobgoblins and Hammerhead have a much higher damage multiplier.
In fact, thermal damage is good for any mission. |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:54:00 -
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Okay, so skill for T2 drones, and use a different race of Drone. I'll try that. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
108
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Posted - 2012.06.25 00:35:00 -
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if you are webbing the target is is possible that the drones are orbiting it too fast to be able to hit the target.
also I find heavy drones very good at killing frigs because they will mwd up to them and once that finishes they are slower than the frig so they trail it and shoot right up the tailpipe at low transversial.
doing scout drone op to 5 to get access to t2 scout drones is also highly recommended. |
Flakey Foont
159
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Posted - 2012.06.25 02:02:00 -
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Great corp! |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
467
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Posted - 2012.06.25 04:49:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Yes I am using t1 drones, I said Berserkers and Warriors.
I also said that yes I deploy them based on what type of ship I am fighting. (ie, light drones for frigs, heavy for larger)
T1 drones are god awful.
EDIT: Also Sentry drones are the best drones. |
Xtrah
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Posted - 2012.06.25 04:51:00 -
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T2 drones will fix your problem. In L3s, go for 5 frig-killing drones, while you use your guns to shoot cruisers and above. |
Martin0
Maximum-Overload M-A-T-R-I-X Allianz
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Posted - 2012.06.25 07:11:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote: I use Berserkers and Warriors depending on the type of ship I want them to kill.
They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out.
noone sees the problem? you are using the wrong drones, blood raiders are resistant to exp damage, they are weal to EM and THERMAL damage. You should use gallente drones |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.25 08:31:00 -
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Martin0 wrote:Jecht Windu wrote: I use Berserkers and Warriors depending on the type of ship I want them to kill.
They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out.
noone sees the problem? you are using the wrong drones, blood raiders are resistant to exp damage, they are weal to EM and THERMAL damage. You should use gallente drones
I actually am having the problem with pretty much every combo, I just used that as an example. Same issue with Hobgoblins and Hammerheads. |
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Sin Pew
Dakini Rising The Kali Cartel
67
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Posted - 2012.06.25 08:54:00 -
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I recall seeing mention of drone nav becoming a hassle when you train it too high because the faster your drone fly, the more likely they'll miss their targets. If anyone can confirm... I didn't train it beyond 3 for now as I got better stuff to train than drones at the moment. Also, have you tried a target painter instead of a web? slowing the target is one thing, making it easier to hit, another. And yes, T1 drones do laughable damage, but even with my meager drones skills, I never faced the problem in L3 missions, only frigates they couldn't break the tank of, were "dire" gurista or "loyal" sansha wich have very tough resists. "- You want a sandwich, Bacon?" Support horizontal scrollbars in Eve! Click here, tyvm. |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:02:00 -
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Just an update. As we speak right now I am using Hammerheads and Hobgoblins on Corpii cruiser size ships...
They are doing nothing, they can't kill even 1. At the 20min mark, they cant break its shield it just regens. I have tried with light, medium, and heavy drones, with WEBBING AND NOT WEBBING the target,... All combos tried. I'm not an idiot guys.
So all of you who posted saying it had to do with not using Gallente against EM/Therm weak ships, that's obviously not the issue.
Getting really mad and guess I'm quittng EVE. You all gave good advice but none of it worked, the ONLY thing I haven't tried is getting t2 drones. But most of you have said t1 drones works fine in l3...
It really bothers me that NO ONE can figure this out. |
Flakey Foont
159
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:04:00 -
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Something is off. Can you post your Eveboard or at least your drone skills? |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
295
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:04:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Just an update. As we speak right now I am using Hammerheads and Hobgoblins on Corpii cruiser size ships...
They are doing nothing, they can't kill even 1. At the 20min mark, they cant break its shield it just regens. I have tried with BOTH types of drones, with WEBBING AND NOT WEBBING the target,... All combos tried. I'm not an idiot guys.
So all of you who posted saying it had to do with not using Gallente against EM/Therm weak ships, that's obviously not the issue.
Getting really mad and guess I'm quittng EVE. You all gave good advice but none of it worked, the ONLY thing I haven't tried is getting t2 drones. But most of you have said t1 drones works fine in l3...
It really bothers me that NO ONE can figure this out.
And this attitude means you won't get help.
Done with pathetic attitude. Stop asking for help if you only complain. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:05:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Jecht Windu wrote:Just an update. As we speak right now I am using Hammerheads and Hobgoblins on Corpii cruiser size ships...
They are doing nothing, they can't kill even 1. At the 20min mark, they cant break its shield it just regens. I have tried with BOTH types of drones, with WEBBING AND NOT WEBBING the target,... All combos tried. I'm not an idiot guys.
So all of you who posted saying it had to do with not using Gallente against EM/Therm weak ships, that's obviously not the issue.
Getting really mad and guess I'm quittng EVE. You all gave good advice but none of it worked, the ONLY thing I haven't tried is getting t2 drones. But most of you have said t1 drones works fine in l3...
It really bothers me that NO ONE can figure this out. And this attitude means you won't get help. Done with pathetic attitude. Stop asking for help if you only complain.
Then don't help. It's EVE, don't expect people to be Carebear.
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J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
295
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:09:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:J'Poll wrote:Jecht Windu wrote:Just an update. As we speak right now I am using Hammerheads and Hobgoblins on Corpii cruiser size ships...
They are doing nothing, they can't kill even 1. At the 20min mark, they cant break its shield it just regens. I have tried with BOTH types of drones, with WEBBING AND NOT WEBBING the target,... All combos tried. I'm not an idiot guys.
So all of you who posted saying it had to do with not using Gallente against EM/Therm weak ships, that's obviously not the issue.
Getting really mad and guess I'm quittng EVE. You all gave good advice but none of it worked, the ONLY thing I haven't tried is getting t2 drones. But most of you have said t1 drones works fine in l3...
It really bothers me that NO ONE can figure this out. And this attitude means you won't get help. Done with pathetic attitude. Stop asking for help if you only complain. Then don't help. It's EVE, don't expect people to be Carebear.
Mission running = Carebearing
Like said:
I run missions with my alt who has only the bare basic drone skills yet his T1 drones can kill rats in level 4's. So stop complaining, start listening. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:10:00 -
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Haha, I live in Null Jpoll. I just want to build up some lvl 5 agents. |
Ryelek d'Entari
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:11:00 -
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(a) import your character into eveboard so we can have a look. (b) post a copy/paste of your combat log after one of these epic 20 minute frigate vs. drone fights. You can find this in the neocom. (c) post your fit.
Then maybe we can help you. You're clearly doing something wrong, but we're not clairvoyant. |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:12:00 -
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Ryelek d'Entari wrote:(a) import your character into eveboard so we can have a look. (b) post a copy/paste of your combat log after one of these epic 20 minute frigate vs. drone fights. You can find this in the neocom. (c) post your fit. Then maybe we can help you. You're clearly doing something wrong, but we're not clairvoyant.
Will look into Eveboard and try to get an update for you guys.
For whoever asked about Drone skills.
Drones lvl 5. Scout Drone Op lvl 4 (almost 5) Heavy drones lvl 3 Drone Nav lvl 3 Drone Interfacting lvl 4 Drone Durability lvl 3 Drone Sharpshooting lvl 3 |
Flakey Foont
159
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:12:00 -
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You need to train "Combat Drone Operation". Now.
Skill at controlling scout drones. 5% Bonus to drone damage of light and medium drones per level. |
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J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
295
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:14:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Haha, I live in Null Jpoll. I just want to build up some lvl 5 agents.
Same idea. Ratting = Carebearing.
And really, if your drones can't kill a cruiser sized rat. Then your skills must suck big time or you're using the wrong damage type (or both).
T2 Drones + GOOD support skills (see below) and you should have NO problem.
Support skills:
Combat Drones specialization at 5 Drone Durability 4 Drone Interfacing 4 Drone Navigateion 4 Dront sharpshooting 4 Drones 5 Scout Drone Operation 5 Heavy Drone operation 4 (or 5)
And then Racial Drone spec. at 4 Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
295
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:15:00 -
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Flakey Foont wrote:You need to train "Combat Drone Operation". Now.
Skill at controlling scout drones. 5% Bonus to drone damage of light and medium drones per level.
This, maybe next time read the info of skills and you will find out that there is your lack in DPS Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:16:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Jecht Windu wrote:Haha, I live in Null Jpoll. I just want to build up some lvl 5 agents. Same idea. Ratting = Carebearing. And really, if your drones can't kill a cruiser sized rat. Then your skills must suck big time or you're using the wrong damage type (or both). T2 Drones + GOOD support skills (see below) and you should have NO problem. Support skills: Combat Drones specialization at 5 Drone Durability 4 Drone Interfacing 4 Drone Navigateion 4 Dront sharpshooting 4 Drones 5 Scout Drone Operation 5 Heavy Drone operation 4 (or 5) And then Racial Drone spec. at 4 After you have those and you still don't hit stuff. Then start complaining.
Did you look above Jposs? I have 90% of those skills :) |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:18:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Flakey Foont wrote:You need to train "Combat Drone Operation". Now.
Skill at controlling scout drones. 5% Bonus to drone damage of light and medium drones per level. This, maybe next time read the info of skills and you will find out that there is your lack in DPS
5% per level? I mean, no offense but 20% isn't really gonna change much, whereas my Drone Interfacing has already upped it by 80%.
But sure, I'll train that one now.
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J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
295
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:18:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:J'Poll wrote:Jecht Windu wrote:Haha, I live in Null Jpoll. I just want to build up some lvl 5 agents. Same idea. Ratting = Carebearing. And really, if your drones can't kill a cruiser sized rat. Then your skills must suck big time or you're using the wrong damage type (or both). T2 Drones + GOOD support skills (see below) and you should have NO problem. Support skills: Combat Drones specialization at 5 Drone Durability 4 Drone Interfacing 4 Drone Navigateion 4 Dront sharpshooting 4 Drones 5 Scout Drone Operation 5 Heavy Drone operation 4 (or 5) And then Racial Drone spec. at 4 After you have those and you still don't hit stuff. Then start complaining. Did you look above? I have 85% of those skills :)
Only see 3 skills that match my list. 3/8 isn't 85% Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
295
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:19:00 -
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Martin0 wrote:Jecht Windu wrote: I use Berserkers and Warriors depending on the type of ship I want them to kill.
They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out.
noone sees the problem? you are using the wrong drones, blood raiders are resistant to exp damage, they are weal to EM and THERMAL damage. You should use gallente drones
Martin0 read the entire front page.
Multiple people already told him he was using wrong damage types.
And wrong drones (swap the mediums for the large ones) Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
295
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:21:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Haha, I live in Null Jpoll. I just want to build up some lvl 5 agents.
Your null-sec space: Angels not Corpii
And you want level 5 agents, yet you already struggle in level 3's. I can imagine how good that is going to work Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:21:00 -
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Yeah Martin already tried that.
J I can tell we don't see eye to eye but I have 85% of those skills, they may just be 1 or 2 levels lower than what you mentioned. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
295
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:23:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Yeah Martin already tried that.
J I can tell we don't see eye to eye but I have 85% of those skills, they may just be 1 level lower than what you mentioned.
That one level is a lot of difference when you add the skills up.
And as said a couple of times before, you miss the most vital one.
Combat Drones add 5% to damage. At level 4 it's 20% and that 20% might be enough to break the rat's tank. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:24:00 -
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Yeah I just injected it, we'll see how it goes. |
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Ryelek d'Entari
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:25:00 -
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Aha, this might be a problem.
If you somehow do not have combat drone operation trained *at all*, then you may have found some sort of bug. Train it and see if it suddenly improves things.
Could be that not having it trained prevents, e.g. Drone Interfacing from taking effect. Which would be a bit of a perplexing bug. I had thought that Combat Drone Operation was a prerequisite for light combat drones, but apparently it is not.
Note that Combat Drone Operation's bonus is multiplicative with Drone Interfacing. So 20% more damage is nothing to sneeze at. Stilll, a full flight of 5 T1 hobgoblins with Drone Interfacing IV should be melting non-elite frigates. So a lack of its damage bonus alone is not the full problem here.
Also, just to check: you're not using any ship modules which improve drone speed (Drone Navigation Computer), are you? This can screw with their transversal to the point that they can't hit anything.
More sanity checking: use 'look at' on each of your drones to make sure that they're shooting your target. You may not be controlling them the way you think you're controlling them. Also show their brackets in space, they should be buzzing around your target. |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:52:00 -
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Ryelek d'Entari wrote:Aha, this might be a problem.
If you somehow do not have combat drone operation trained *at all*, then you may have found some sort of bug. Train it and see if it suddenly improves things.
Could be that not having it trained prevents, e.g. Drone Interfacing from taking effect. Which would be a bit of a perplexing bug. I had thought that Combat Drone Operation was a prerequisite for light combat drones, but apparently it is not.
Note that Combat Drone Operation's bonus is multiplicative with Drone Interfacing. So 20% more damage is nothing to sneeze at. Stilll, a full flight of 5 T1 hobgoblins with Drone Interfacing IV should be melting non-elite frigates. So a lack of its damage bonus alone is not the full problem here.
Also, just to check: you're not using any ship modules which improve drone speed (Drone Navigation Computer), are you? This can screw with their transversal to the point that they can't hit anything.
More sanity checking: use 'look at' on each of your drones to make sure that they're shooting your target. You may not be controlling them the way you think you're controlling them. Also show their brackets in space, they should be buzzing around your target.
You do get the drone interfacing damage bonus without having combat drone op... At least, the DPS changes in the fitting window.
I have a drone dmg improver mod on, but no drone speed mods.
Yes, I know my drones are firing correctly and I do know how to control them :)
Yeah, full fleet of T1 Hammerheads/Hobs aren't doing really any good at all even with Drone Interfacing 4. So who knows. |
Ryelek d'Entari
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:55:00 -
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Well, a copy/paste combat log would be helpful, so we can see what's going on. Are they hitting for crap damage? Are they missing all the time? Etc.
My skills are similar to yours, though I do have combat drone interfacing IV. I've used T1 drones recently on a Vexor, and 5x hobgoblin I's just melt frigates in seconds. Although the Vexor is a drone bonused boat, my gall cruiser skill was only III, so 30% shouldn't make that much of a difference. Also these are serpentis rats, which are weak against thermal.
Is this something that you've just tried today for the first time, after the 1.1 patch? Could be something's screwed up, but if so there would certainly be more hubbub about it, I'd think. |
Flakey Foont
162
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:43:00 -
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Using omnis? |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
297
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Posted - 2012.06.25 21:27:00 -
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Ryelek d'Entari wrote:Well, a copy/paste combat log would be helpful, so we can see what's going on. Are they hitting for crap damage? Are they missing all the time? Etc.
My skills are similar to yours, though I do have combat drone interfacing IV. I've used T1 drones recently on a Vexor, and 5x hobgoblin I's just melt frigates in seconds. Although the Vexor is a drone bonused boat, my gall cruiser skill was only III, so 30% shouldn't make that much of a difference. Also these are serpentis rats, which are weak against thermal.
Is this something that you've just tried today for the first time, after the 1.1 patch? Could be something's screwed up, but if so there would certainly be more hubbub about it, I'd think.
Thread started yesterday, so can't be a 1.1 bug. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Ryelek d'Entari
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.25 21:34:00 -
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This is true.
Side possibility - since he's fighting blood raiders, could be that the drones are getting TD'd. Would combat log show that effect on drones?
If so, the way to fix that is to get ship aggro, not drone aggro. |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.25 22:05:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Ryelek d'Entari wrote:Aha, this might be a problem.
If you somehow do not have combat drone operation trained *at all*, then you may have found some sort of bug. Train it and see if it suddenly improves things.
Could be that not having it trained prevents, e.g. Drone Interfacing from taking effect. Which would be a bit of a perplexing bug. I had thought that Combat Drone Operation was a prerequisite for light combat drones, but apparently it is not.
Note that Combat Drone Operation's bonus is multiplicative with Drone Interfacing. So 20% more damage is nothing to sneeze at. Stilll, a full flight of 5 T1 hobgoblins with Drone Interfacing IV should be melting non-elite frigates. So a lack of its damage bonus alone is not the full problem here.
Also, just to check: you're not using any ship modules which improve drone speed (Drone Navigation Computer), are you? This can screw with their transversal to the point that they can't hit anything.
More sanity checking: use 'look at' on each of your drones to make sure that they're shooting your target. You may not be controlling them the way you think you're controlling them. Also show their brackets in space, they should be buzzing around your target. You do get the drone interfacing damage bonus without having combat drone op... At least, the DPS changes in the fitting window. I have a drone dmg improver mod on, but no drone speed mods. Yes, I know my drones are firing correctly and I do know how to control them :) Yeah, full fleet of T1 Hammerheads/Hobs aren't doing really any good at all even with Drone Interfacing 4. So who knows.
What is your DPS in your fitting window with T1 hammerheads? |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.25 22:39:00 -
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With T1 hammerheads on a 'Thron Navy Issue I'm sitting right at 100DPS. That's with Drone Interfacing 4 and Combat Drone Op at 3 now.
Edit - That DPS is with drones only, didn't factor in turret or total DPS |
Flakey Foont
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:48:00 -
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Try at least one omni.. |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:20:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:With T1 hammerheads on a 'Thron Navy Issue I'm sitting right at 100DPS. That's with Drone Interfacing 4 Combat Drone Op at 3 and 1 Drone Dmg Mod.
As per missing or just hitting low, it's really a mix of both. Next combat log I'll post.
Fitting... really straightforward.
Highs: 7 large rails 1 Cloak Mids: Web/Tracking speed enhancer/ 2 cap rechargers Lows: drone dmg imrpovement, 2 magnetic field stabalizers for DPS, adaptive hardener, dmg control mod, armor repairer
Like I said, fairly straightforward on the fit.
Edit - That 100 DPS is with drones only, didn't factor in turret or total DPS.
Edit 2: When I take the Drone Dmg Amplifier off, DPS goes down to 84.
That sounds about right. Now when you go into combat I assume that you get the target to agro your ship first. Then you send your drones to attack. Now when your drones attack they do how much damage per hit? Your in game message window shows how much damage per drone hit? On average? |
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Iria Ahrens
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.06.26 07:26:00 -
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I really, really want to see a log here. All this conversation only exposes questions instead of answering them.
What rigs? Where is combat log? If the OP is having trouble breaking the tank of elite units, that would make sense. Where is Skills? 85% of the skills means you are probably lacking the most important 15%. Show us your char as asked before. Technique. You could think you're doing the right thing and not be. If there are 10 rats, and you targeted 3 of them, and only one has the drones icon. That doesn't necessarily mean your drones are focusing fire like they should. Try using a target painter instead of a web.
Are we using mixed flights? 2 hammer heads and 3 warriors, 1 Ogre, 2 hammerheads and a hobgoblin?
Anyway, we really need more input than the op is providing. Garbage in, garbage out. There are two kinds of player. -áThe kind that adapts to the game, and the kind that expect the game to adapt to them. -áDo don't a number 2 on EvE. -áThank you. |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.26 08:21:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:I really, really want to see a log here. All this conversation only exposes questions instead of answering them.
What rigs? Where is combat log? If the OP is having trouble breaking the tank of elite units, that would make sense. Where is Skills? 85% of the skills means you are probably lacking the most important 15%. Show us your char as asked before. Technique. You could think you're doing the right thing and not be. If there are 10 rats, and you targeted 3 of them, and only one has the drones icon. That doesn't necessarily mean your drones are focusing fire like they should. Try using a target painter instead of a web.
Are we using mixed flights? 2 hammer heads and 3 warriors, 1 Ogre, 2 hammerheads and a hobgoblin?
Anyway, we really need more input than the op is providing. Garbage in, garbage out.
Yeah, most of those questions have been answered somewhere in this thread. Learn2read.
I will not waste my time reiterating things that have been mentioned before, again... Learn2read.
My saying 'I know how to use my drones' 3x in this thread answers literally half of your questions (or, accusations).
If you're going to keep saying I'm the issue, then just quit replying. Simple as that. Either be helpful, or get bent, you obviously have no life if all you can do is spend time saying what someone is doing wrong on a help post.
Close the thread. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2012.06.26 08:28:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:I really, really want to see a log here. All this conversation only exposes questions instead of answering them.
What rigs? Where is combat log? If the OP is having trouble breaking the tank of elite units, that would make sense. Where is Skills? 85% of the skills means you are probably lacking the most important 15%. Show us your char as asked before. Technique. You could think you're doing the right thing and not be. If there are 10 rats, and you targeted 3 of them, and only one has the drones icon. That doesn't necessarily mean your drones are focusing fire like they should. Try using a target painter instead of a web.
Are we using mixed flights? 2 hammer heads and 3 warriors, 1 Ogre, 2 hammerheads and a hobgoblin?
Anyway, we really need more input than the op is providing. Garbage in, garbage out. Yeah, most of those questions have been answered somewhere in this thread. Learn2read. I will not waste my time reiterating things that have been mentioned before, again... Learn2read. My saying 'I know how to use my drones' 3x in this thread answers literally half of your questions (or, accusations). If you're going to keep saying I'm the issue, then just quit replying. Simple as that. Either be helpful, or get bent, you obviously have no life if all you can do is spend time saying what someone is doing wrong on a help post. Close the thread.
He does have a small point.
If you would link your EVEBoard, fit and combat logs people would have more info. More info means it's easier to see where stuff goes wrong.
But from my looks you just reject everybody that is trying to help and reply with the same post over and over again. So wish you the best of luck. specially in those level 5's you want to get access too when you are already having trouble with level 3's.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Jecht Windu
Deaths Head Brigade IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.06.26 08:41:00 -
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Yep, that's why I said close the thread.
I got some useful info, and was very polite to those who offered it. Not so much to those who asked the same things over and over or accused me making n00b mistakes I already clarified.
Thanks for those who gave useful info :), I wont be checking the thread any longer. |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising The Kali Cartel
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Posted - 2012.06.26 09:01:00 -
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I ask for help in a forum but got butthurt by some replies, so I keep it for myself and screw the next one having the same issue, I live in null I'm not some kind of noob. Yeah that's a great attitude. "- You want a sandwich, Bacon?" Support horizontal scrollbars in Eve! Click here, tyvm. |
Keno Skir
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Posted - 2012.06.26 09:11:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Okay, I am seriously about 5 minutes from quitting EVE, no one in my Corp has been able to answer this question, or they simply just say 'That shouldn't happen, not sure'.
Haha, find a new corp :P Seriously if your corp is full of people who cant work out why your big slow drones cant hit a small fast target you need to move on.. Use hornets, nuff said.
The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Iria Ahrens
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.06.26 09:46:00 -
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Jecht Windu wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:I really, really want to see a log here. All this conversation only exposes questions instead of answering them.
What rigs? Where is combat log? If the OP is having trouble breaking the tank of elite units, that would make sense. Where is Skills? 85% of the skills means you are probably lacking the most important 15%. Show us your char as asked before. Technique. You could think you're doing the right thing and not be. If there are 10 rats, and you targeted 3 of them, and only one has the drones icon. That doesn't necessarily mean your drones are focusing fire like they should. Try using a target painter instead of a web.
Are we using mixed flights? 2 hammer heads and 3 warriors, 1 Ogre, 2 hammerheads and a hobgoblin?
Anyway, we really need more input than the op is providing. Garbage in, garbage out. Yeah, most of those questions have been answered somewhere in this thread. Learn2read. I will not waste my time reiterating things that have been mentioned before, again... Learn2read. My saying 'I know how to use my drones' 3x in this thread answers literally half of your questions about am I using 3/2 or if I target my rats properly. If I know how to use my drones, then obviously those things are being done correctly. If you're going to keep saying I'm the issue, then just quit replying. Simple as that. Either be helpful, or get bent, you obviously have no life if all you can do is spend time saying what someone is doing wrong on a help post. Close the thread.
Nice. I see politeness isn't your specialty. I read your answers, ergo, the reason I asked the questions I asked. Because your answers sounded more like a flippant child's "I know what I'm doing." that makes me suspect you don't know what you are doing. Saying you know what to do doesn't mean you do. Ergo, if you showed a log, we could say, "Yes, he knows what he is doing." And not take your word for it, when obviously you are doing something wrong, which you wouldn't be if you knew what you were doing.
(inhale)
And the whole point of a help post if to tell people what they are doing wrong.
I'm still trying to figure out what you're doing level 3s for in a navy megathron. That doesn't indicate you know what you are doing. There are two kinds of player. -áThe kind that adapts to the game, and the kind that expect the game to adapt to them. -áDo don't a number 2 on EvE. -áThank you. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2012.06.26 09:52:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Jecht Windu wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:I really, really want to see a log here. All this conversation only exposes questions instead of answering them.
What rigs? Where is combat log? If the OP is having trouble breaking the tank of elite units, that would make sense. Where is Skills? 85% of the skills means you are probably lacking the most important 15%. Show us your char as asked before. Technique. You could think you're doing the right thing and not be. If there are 10 rats, and you targeted 3 of them, and only one has the drones icon. That doesn't necessarily mean your drones are focusing fire like they should. Try using a target painter instead of a web.
Are we using mixed flights? 2 hammer heads and 3 warriors, 1 Ogre, 2 hammerheads and a hobgoblin?
Anyway, we really need more input than the op is providing. Garbage in, garbage out. Yeah, most of those questions have been answered somewhere in this thread. Learn2read. I will not waste my time reiterating things that have been mentioned before, again... Learn2read. My saying 'I know how to use my drones' 3x in this thread answers literally half of your questions about am I using 3/2 or if I target my rats properly. If I know how to use my drones, then obviously those things are being done correctly. If you're going to keep saying I'm the issue, then just quit replying. Simple as that. Either be helpful, or get bent, you obviously have no life if all you can do is spend time saying what someone is doing wrong on a help post. Close the thread. Nice. I see politeness isn't your specialty. I read your answers, ergo, the reason I asked the questions I asked. Because your answers sounded more like a flippant child's "I know what I'm doing." that makes me suspect you don't know what you are doing. Saying you know what to do doesn't mean you do. Ergo, if you showed a log, we could say, "Yes, he knows what he is doing." And not take your word for it, when obviously you are doing something wrong, which you wouldn't be if you knew what you were doing. (inhale) And the whole point of a help post if to tell people what they are doing wrong. I'm still trying to figure out what you're doing level 3s for in a navy megathron. That doesn't indicate you know what you are doing.
If he knew what he was doing, his drones would hit the targets. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Baneken
Fistful of Finns Ewoks
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:57:00 -
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Some elite frigates are notoriously hard especially the ones in null, because they have a ridiculously low signature. Anyway max damage according to EFT for 5x hobo II is 100dps and 80dps for warrior II with max skilled domi you get 50dps more damage (so 1/3 more for hobgoblin II's because of the way skills add up).
Drone interfacing V and scout drone operation V are pretty much essential skills to have if you plan on using drones.
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Bridgette d'Iberville
DeadStar Marauders
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:24:00 -
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This thread was full of win. Thanks for that!
OP: Not that you asked, but a bit of advice: when your ship is about to blow up, you need to make sure you're aligned to somewhere and spam the warp button. Would probably save you a pod or two. Neut the bastards |
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Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.27 02:43:00 -
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This happened to me the other day. My myrmidon usually busts through level 3s no problem at all. But last week the incursion near amarr had me unable to complete the same missions and one mission took hours because my drones couldn't break the npc tanks. I was using t2 drones so doing more than 3 damage....but not much more. |
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ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2012.06.27 03:17:00 -
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I cleaned the thread up a little bit please be civil and keep comments constructive. ISD Athechu Commander ISD STAR (Support Training and Resources) EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources |
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