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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2010.01.20 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ryoko Yoshida And the drama rolls on.
Sad little men playing sad Serious Bussiness spaceships.
Also La Vista, two words, EBANK and Solvency.
You may have run like a rat, but you;re still tied to that debaucle. Discuss.
I'm still a member of the staff at EBANK. So it's not exactly like I have run anywhere.
However, it doesn't change the fact that the your argument is a logical fallacy. The amount of ad hominem in this thread is rather amusing.
As for trying to discredit me with the fact that EBANK is insolvent, all I can say is: I never had any say in the running of EBANK as a business. I dealt with the website and did the odd database work when requested by tellers.
Hence, your argument is just silly. But that just goes to show the weakness of your own argument.
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Ryoko Yoshida
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.20 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ryoko Yoshida on 20/01/2010 12:08:47 *golfclap*
The great La Vista strikes again.
It must be awfully hot keeping your head in there (you know what I mean), why not come out for a breath of fresh air and actually share your true golden supreme being intellect with all of us.
Fact is, you're an armchair hawking loser mate. You sit and judge and judge safe from a position of no responsibility or actual input beyond put downs and griping. Average teen behaviour, want power, no want responsibility.
Grow up, realise you play a game, move on plz. -------------------- This is where my sig is meant to begin... |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2010.01.20 12:13:00 -
[63]
It's a shame that you have to resort to personal insults rather than arguments, seeing as you did have some fair points.
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W3370Pi4
M. Corp Engineering
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Posted - 2010.01.20 12:26:00 -
[64]
lol MD drama _______ Join The"Legit Trading" channel |
Festidious Verrucas
Draconis Alumni
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Posted - 2010.01.20 12:30:00 -
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I've been a regular in the SCC-Lounge for a good while now and enjoy being in there - the banter is interesting and itÆs a source of advice when needed. Of late the channel has increased in its use and topics are varied.
I have no history of Riethe and I didn't know he had taken the MD community for quite a few billion until today. What I did think before I heard this is that is the channel has perked up a little which I thought was a good thing so he certainly brings something to the channel of value.
Now considering what I now know about him, what he brings to the channel in fun and banter detracts from the channel in other ways. For starters, the leaving of that channel by some well respected people can in the end only hurt the community as a whole because as has already been said - the SCC-Lounge is THE place to hang out for traders.
Creating another channel can only be a bad thing in my view and to see respected people leave SCC-Lounge is a sad thing. No matter what "side" you're on so to speak - divisions are never good.
What bothers me, is what message this sends to an evolving community - a moderator of the SCC-Lounge is a well known scammer - I didn't know this until this drama kicked off and new comers will certainly not either. I guess it's about perception - how does the MD community want the SCC-Lounge to be perceived? Does his existence as a scammer able to potentially gag or ban others at his discretion affect the quality of the channel? And will he use that position to further his business ethics or pass off his scamming as legitimate? Perhaps even getting future investments? That I'm doubtful of and for the record, I've not seen him do any of that so far.
Only time will tell but even in the early days it is causing division. But I HAVE seen the images where people have paid 750m for a frigate - but this isnÆt scamming (though I personally think its a questionable activity) leading others to way up the earnings from their own methods of trade to perhaps jump onto the bandwagon of selling frigs for 750m because it earns more! Perhaps new comers will see that and see it as a faster earner and the way of the scammer will be accepted and the norm.
I would therefore request - in the interests of MD unity that you, Riethe ask yourself a question - knowing that people are divided on this issue of you being a mod in there - do you add more quality by staying as such and that the MD community benefit more so with you as you are or are you causing more contention by staying put as mod. If it is the latter and you feel that you being a mod is to the detriment of the channel then - do the right thing and step down as a mod with immediate effect. If not - then continue on as you are. But nothing good will come of having two channels "competing".
Only time will tell and the MD community will drive which way this will go.
Well, that's my view anyway.
Fes. Fly safe,
Fes.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.01.20 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ryoko Yoshida Fact is, you're an armchair hawking loser mate. You sit and judge and judge safe from a position of no responsibility or actual input beyond put downs and griping.
Hey pot, you're black!
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.01.20 12:46:00 -
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My IT skills are pure fail.
Does anyone else have the wherewithal to run this programme for an analysis of Riethe's and Ryoko's posting styles?
Quote:
There are tools to help, there is a quick and dirty demonstration script called 'Unmask' available from here:
http://immunitysec.com/resources-freesoftware.shtml
Surprisingly it works quite well.
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Kalrand
Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.20 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23 My IT skills are pure fail.
Does anyone else have the wherewithal to run this programme for an analysis of Riethe's and Ryoko's posting styles?
Quote:
There are tools to help, there is a quick and dirty demonstration script called 'Unmask' available from here:
http://immunitysec.com/resources-freesoftware.shtml
Surprisingly it works quite well.
Paging the GIA to this thread.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.01.20 13:29:00 -
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No one scams in the lounge Setrak you know that. The rest I agree with. But as they say, bad publicity is better than no publicity.
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Janiries Swordhand
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Posted - 2010.01.20 13:43:00 -
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LVV, if you don't like it then leave.
We all enjoy watching you getting your panties getting twisted over something stupid
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SetrakDark
Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance
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Posted - 2010.01.20 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama No one scams in the lounge Setrak you know that.
Joking?
I've watched people scam in there, and sugar jugs just said in this thread that she asked in scc for a 3rd party broker and then riethe scammed him (I think... just woke up).
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.01.20 13:59:00 -
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If that is the case, then there is indeed a problem. Ofcourse scammers have frequented the lounge, I will rephrase. No one scams in the lounge and stays there.
If you have evidence of the contrary, I would also have to stop condoning the lounge :( As sad as that might be :(
However one thing I have decided is to leave Cista2's channel, her gestapo/opportunist methods "kicking something while it is down," is just distasteful.
Internet ethics is serious business.
On a general note, there is a HUGE difference between associating yourself with a scammer, in a casual, laid back and relaxed environment, to collaborating with a scammer.
Even implying that just because you have a conversation with a scammer, should have somehow infected your own persona is a hilliarious joke at best, and just pure bull**** at worst.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2010.01.20 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama If that is the case, then there is indeed a problem. Ofcourse scammers have frequented the lounge, I will rephrase. No one scams in the lounge and stays there.
If you have evidence of the contrary, I would also have to stop condoning the lounge :( As sad as that might be :(
However one thing I have decided is to leave Cista2's channel, her gestapo/opportunist methods "kicking something while it is down," is just distasteful.
Internet ethics is serious business.
On a general note, there is a HUGE difference between associating yourself with a scammer, in a casual, laid back and relaxed environment, to collaborating with a scammer.
Even implying that just because you have a conversation with a scammer, should have somehow infected your own persona is a hilliarious joke at best, and just pure bull**** at worst.
Here's your proof. Link
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SetrakDark
Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance
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Posted - 2010.01.20 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama However one thing I have decided is to leave Cista2's channel, her gestapo/opportunist methods "kicking something while it is down," is just distasteful.
That's not how I see her action, but you are entitled to your interpretation.
However, I will say that the new channel will not become some reactionary beacon of righteousness and purity. I think everyone involved just wants a slight turning of the srs bsns dial.
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Caleb Ayrania
Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2010.01.20 14:12:00 -
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A few comments...
There will never be such a thing as a scamming risk free channel.
Enforcing some sort of sorting of morally accepted population in a channel is impossible.
Having a known scammer "teaching" is much akin to RL hackers teaching IT security.
If someone are to lazy to even read the MOTD that rather openly hints Riethes past, then if they get scammed the lounge is really not at fault. The lounge is a social venue and as such is not responsible for your choices.
I admit I do see some risks having Riethe onboard if he starts abusing the moderation features. I still believe the pros here outweighs the cons. Most in the lounge will know about Riethes history and as such will be more likely to protect noobs then abuse them..
On a sidenote showing the community even a person like Riethe is welcome, proves that its an open and anarchistic place. People that might prefer something strongly moderated and controlled are free to go there instead. The lounge will remain mainly neutral and focused on metagame and RL person to person oriented.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.01.20 14:12:00 -
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Unfortunately I need no further proof, I didn't know Vaygrr was Sugar Juggs :( I was involved in this scam I think, Vaygrr (SJ) tried to use me as a 3rd party.
These waters are becoming to muddy for me to navigate safely in, it is unfortunate! The lounge was the best place to be in EVE. The future does not look all to bright now :(
I see a clear line, between collaborating and associating. In private context I have no problem with Riethe, I like him a lot tbh. However, professionally I cannot get involved with him or any of his shenanigans. I actually feel a bit used now. And it ****es me off.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.01.20 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: SetrakDark
However, I will say that the new channel will not become some reactionary beacon of righteousness and purity.
Damn!
Will the newcomers at least bring cookies?
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.01.20 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 20/01/2010 14:20:18
Originally by: SetrakDark
Originally by: Ji Sama However one thing I have decided is to leave Cista2's channel, her gestapo/opportunist methods "kicking something while it is down," is just distasteful.
That's not how I see her action, but you are entitled to your interpretation.
However, I will say that the new channel will not become some reactionary beacon of righteousness and purity. I think everyone involved just wants a slight turning of the srs bsns dial.
This is not about point of view, it is a fact she used an opportunity to self promote her own agenda. While it can be argued, if the lounge "where down" I find her self-righteous promotion distasteful, and it is really just a red flag in my book.
EDIT: To clarify, she is spreading dissent and chaos, dividing the lounge! That is simply not the right or constructive approach to this situation, but I see this have already spiralled out of control, and any damage control now seems pointless.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.20 14:45:00 -
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Ji Sama--you were not involved in any shape or form. What you were "Almost" involved in was Vargyr (I forgot his name) wanting to buy the shares from me.
This also took place prior to the current arrangement, and it was outside of the scc-lounge.
Considering my new roles and activities involving the lounge, under no circumstances will anyone that ever enters the channel become a victim of a scam. You can ignore this statement if you'd like, but I enjoy the lounge and I like Caleb--it would be a mistake to compromise that.
Regardless of that, anything I've done in the past wasn't relevant to the channel anyway.
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Roguehalo
Caldari Resonance Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.01.20 14:53:00 -
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Riethe is a sociopath whose only interest in interacting with other players is to try and rob them. Unless this fact is continually hammered home in the scc channel then he will eventually scam somebody he meets in there who doesn't know his past history.
That's as good a reason as any for all respectable traders to dump the channel pronto.
As for the idiots who go on about what a nice chap he is and how he has livened up the channel blah blah blah.
Well personal charm is the conmans stock in trade.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo Riethe is a sociopath whose only interest in interacting with other players is to try and rob them. Unless this fact is continually hammered home in the scc channel then he will eventually scam somebody he meets in there who doesn't know his past history.
I've never robbed anyone close to me, or anyone that I value.
scc-lounge is something I value.
In addition to that: Is it not possible that theft can be my job in EVE and I can still be a contributing member of the forums/game/chat channels/anything else?
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:20:00 -
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I have been in the SCC channel (at least lurking) since it started.
It has always been a mix of business and social. If the channel was purely business, people would only post when they have a question or to answer other people's business related questions, that can be pretty boring. Some people just post for questions and they still get answers.
I personally think channel is very laid back, and I have been socialising with quite afew people and having fun while doing other Eve stuff.
There is plenty of room in the universe for more than one channel. If people have ethical problems with the channel or just want to talk business, there are other channels available. Cista has just launched a channel "signatures" (sounds like a strip club), where more serious folks can go.
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe It wouldn't make sense to be in a channel as an alt because I like to speak as myself, which is why I don't use alts for anything.
Really? Anyone with two brains and a slight knowledge about your business know you are lying. The turn that scc has turned is just absurd. Armoured C was banned from there because of his ridiculous scam, even when people enjoyed his company and the likely of him scamming again for a paltry sum was very low. He was banned on principles. Now Riethe is allowed in there, I can understand a policy change, but not such thing has been announced. Even with that, making Riethe moderator just trash away every effort made, has no sense, serves no purpose and it's stupid from every honest approach. If YGR were around he would point out that caleb is riethe and that this was the plan from the beginning, but YGR learned at the end that his plan to make people disregard his alts linked by naming them was failing and people was starting to link them because of him, so he had to mount the so called selective scam to break the links and now brings back Riethe to achieve another challenge. The previous paragraph about conspiracy theories can sound hard to believe, but if you have a better explanation or theory on why Riethe is now a moderator of scc, please share it here. I have my reasons to think that Riethe and YGR are the same person and those come from long time ago, once you link those two you can see the logic behind his behaviour.
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Roguehalo
Caldari Resonance Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
In addition to that: Is it not possible that theft can be my job in EVE and I can still be a contributing member of the forums/game/chat channels/anything else?
NO
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:24:00 -
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This is my one post on this thread.
So long as Reithe is involved in scc-lounge I won't be in the channel. I would suggest if anyone else has strong feelings about it that they do the same. Projects Blog - Tracking daily development |
Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Riethe on 20/01/2010 15:25:50
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Really? Anyone with two brains and a slight knowledge about your business know you are lying.
Nothing irritates me more than hearing this.
Are you daft?
My entire shtick is showing how it's possible to repeatedly scam, and exist, and function in a community, without alts.
Show me an alt. Prove I have an alt or have used an alt for anything. It's not my thing.
Originally by: Roguehalo NO
I contribute almost daily in the forums. This is an undeniable truth. Explain how it is so impossible?
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Roguehalo Riethe is a sociopath whose only interest in interacting with other players is to try and rob them. Unless this fact is continually hammered home in the scc channel then he will eventually scam somebody he meets in there who doesn't know his past history.
I've never robbed anyone close to me, or anyone that I value.
scc-lounge is something I value.
In addition to that: Is it not possible that theft can be my job in EVE and I can still be a contributing member of the forums/game/chat channels/anything else?
Priceless , just ****ing my pants here.
At least 2 people i know of have been robed by you while in the SCC lounge over the last month.Yup , you value SCC a lot just not the people in it right?Ahh wait you only value it now you have become a mod then wich again says more about you then about how you feel for others?
No you can't be contributing in a channel where you're aim is to scam people wich has happened so it is the case.HOWEVER you can contribute in a scamchannel where scammers hang out to talk about methods etc and Crime and punishment is a forum you could really contribute in.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys At least 2 people i know of have been robed by you while in the SCC lounge over the last month.Yup , you value SCC a lot just not the people in it right?Ahh wait you only value it now you have become a mod then wich again says more about you then about how you feel for others?
I love the people in the SCC lounge.
By the way who are these "2 people u no of who i robed in the scc lounge" ?
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: flakeys on 20/01/2010 15:43:22
Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: flakeys At least 2 people i know of have been robed by you while in the SCC lounge over the last month.Yup , you value SCC a lot just not the people in it right?Ahh wait you only value it now you have become a mod then wich again says more about you then about how you feel for others?
I love the people in the SCC lounge.
By the way who are these "2 people u no of who i robed in the scc lounge" ?
One was mentioned above the other one i forgot the name but was also linked to your fantasic scam site.Person himself even said on scc how stupid he was to fal for it while i was in conversation with you and he was/is a regular visitor of SC.And no i am not going to dig through all those pages of SCC to see what exactly was said and who it was.You know why? Because most people trust me since i have not once lied or misslead in this game opposite to you and i am really not going to spend an hour searching to prove my right when i know i am telling the truth
Edit: ok the guy's name is still on your scamsite and it: decoded.
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe Edited by: Riethe on 20/01/2010 15:25:50
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Really? Anyone with two brains and a slight knowledge about your business know you are lying.
Nothing irritates me more than hearing this.
Are you daft?
My entire shtick is showing how it's possible to repeatedly scam, and exist, and function in a community, without alts.
Show me an alt. Prove I have an alt or have used an alt for anything. It's not my thing.
That's your game on this character for sure, but you play another games on other characters. I'm not bored enough to search the evidences now and those are circunstancial anyways and can be denied. I could be wrong, but you're the scammer who makes his life trough lies and theories are not if proven.
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