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SetrakDark
Caldari DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Just out of interest, I haven't been in SCC for ages on a regular basis, is Reithe an abusive moderator?
Not that I am aware of. However, I do think that a strong potential for generally harmful abuse did exist. I wouldn't quite say it was only a matter of time, but I did expect it.
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Is he obnoxious, rude or offensive?
I'll give you my honest opinion in-game if you want.
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Or is it simply an objection because of his chosen career in game?
Not for me. For others I think it is.
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel but this really looks to an observer like a hissy fit thrown by a few people because he has been made a moderator in a channel they feel some sense of ownership of.
Far from the case for me. I have little attachment to the channel, or any channel. I believe a better balance can be struck, and chose to join a different option instead of trying to change the other one.
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel He's a well known scammer who likes to show off about it. So what? Why does it cause so much outrage?
I didn't personally care, but I guess people don't like having someone who stole from them in "their" hangout. However, like you've implied, it's not really "theirs".
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel The bottom line is this; if you create a channel to discuss the markets then scammers should not be barred. If you create a channel where business is to be conducted, they probably should. If the channel is a mix of both it's a grey area but it shouldn't be for moderators to babysit players; you should expect a degree of intelligence from people in the channel and allow them to make their own judgement.
Agreed completely. As you say, it's a grey area. You have to balance the benefits and costs of both inclusion and the corresponding exclusion. I wouldn't want to have to vet every member so people don't do their own work, but neither would I want known scammers operating in a channel that encourages trust-based transactions.
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel I think these moral debates are a becoming a little melodramatic. I'll say something now that is deliberately controversial, but just have a think about it. Eve is a PVP game at it's heart, the PVE is just window dressing. Player vs player is literally where you "beat" another player, in market terms that's profiting at their expense. Industry people know their PVP is just as intense as combat PVP, and they often know who they are competing against. At the point of sale EVERYONE PVPs. Most people sell and they're done but a few play the markets. Those people who on a large scale manipulate markets for their own profits using buy low/sell high practices. You could argue that they are ripping off both the seller and the buyer to create as large a margin as possible; typically they cash in on the ignorance of both. I'm sure they also get some enjoyment out of deliberately inflating/crashing markets. Most traders will admit to knowing full well when they've done something that has someone else tearing their hair out, and I've seen people gloating in SCC. Don't know if anyone else sees the same parallel betweern traders and scammers, could just be my imagination.
Again, agreed completely. People will band together under common leadership or rules of behavior to better PVP, this is no different.
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel So why the moral elitism?
For me, there isn't any.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: SetrakDark
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Is he obnoxious, rude or offensive?
I'll give you my honest opinion in-game if you want.
What about for anyone else who is curious?
Why not post it here?
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SetrakDark
Caldari DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe Why not post it here?
Because you're too excitable to hear (read) it, regardless of the actual content.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Riethe on 21/01/2010 19:55:39
Originally by: Hippopotamus Rex Ok, acknowledge that you and your ilk were sexually harassing Leeya and I'll withdraw my accusation of you lying.
I responded to this and my entire post was deleted.
Mods are just wrecking entire posts instead of editing out the "bad words," even though in this case there was nothing bad about the post itself.
Oh well.
These forum rules are stricter than the rules in Signature.
edit:
Originally by: SetrakDark Because you're too excitable to hear (read) it, regardless of the actual content.
My tail is already wagging.
Cmon, pleeease?
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Zcorm Narwarr
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Posted - 2010.01.21 20:01:00 -
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I don't have anything against riethe but letting known scammers run a trade channel seems funny to me. Do they teach you how to scam there as well?
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Roguehalo
Caldari Resonance Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.01.21 20:07:00 -
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Maybe Cista just got fed up with Xxxxxxxxx Xxxx rabbiting on about 'fat chicks' all the time.
I know I sure as hell did.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.21 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo Maybe Cista just got fed up with Xxxxxxxxx Xxxx rabbiting on about 'fat chicks' all the time.
I know I sure as hell did.
Well, it certainly is the appropriate response to bottle it up and passive-aggressively call him out here.
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Roguehalo
Caldari Resonance Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.01.21 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Roguehalo Maybe Cista just got fed up with Xxxxxxxxx Xxxx rabbiting on about 'fat chicks' all the time.
I know I sure as hell did.
Well, it certainly is the appropriate response to bottle it up and passive-aggressively call him out here.
Maybe you should just crawl back into the hole from whence you came.
You are trying to have your cake and eat it.
And you can't!!!
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.21 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo Maybe you should just crawl back into the hole from whence you came.
You are trying to have your cake and eat it.
And you can't!!!
It's delicious. The reason why you can't see me eating my cake is because you are blinded by your own agenda.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.01.21 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Roguehalo Maybe you should just crawl back into the hole from whence you came.
You are trying to have your cake and eat it.
And you can't!!!
It's delicious. The reason why you can't see me eating my cake is because you are blinded by your own agenda.
These threads, not the mod position in SCC, are Riethe's cake. Bumper drama harvest but also some very interesting discussions (from my pov, anyway).
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satane
Amarr EVE Corporation49487
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Posted - 2010.01.21 21:06:00 -
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Riethe Shut up, Attention seeking, **** poster, wanna be scammer,
Just a few words to describe you in my eyes i havent been in MD for long but your already starting to agitate me, you shout 'scam' in everyones threads this is just one of many negative attitudes that i personally dislike,
The only reasons why you have a little 'lee-way' is because some of the 'big cats' like you, maybe its your sense of humor...?
I personally prefer the new channel although it doesn't effect me reith being the moderator of SCC lounge but it does look bad,
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
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Posted - 2010.01.21 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe The reason why you can't see me eating my cake is because you are blinded by your own agenda.
I thought it was because you're both separated by the Internet.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.01.22 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo Maybe Cista just got fed up with Xxxxxxxxx Xxxx rabbiting on about 'fat chicks' all the time.
I know I sure as hell did.
Hey man, fat chicks need lovin' too.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.01.22 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Companion Qube
Originally by: Roguehalo Maybe Cista just got fed up with Xxxxxxxxx Xxxx rabbiting on about 'fat chicks' all the time.
I know I sure as hell did.
Hey man, fat chicks need lovin' too.
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Thrasymachus TheSophist
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Posted - 2010.01.22 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hippopotamus Rex Even IF Cista is taking things out of context, Riethe still lied about it. She said he was sexually harassing Leeya, he said it never happened. She posted the chatlog showing he did (joke or not, and female or not, it was harassment). And now hes trying to weasel his way out of it by spinning the situation.
Well, duh? When will you all not figure it out? EVERYTHING Riethe says is BULL****. Its what he is - he is a scammer. Oh sure, there may be a factual or humorous statement thrown in on occasion, but if you can't verify it, and if there is ANY PLAUSIBLE benefit to him at all (even if you can't figure out what it is), then you MUST assume he's lying.
How many times must he lie and scam and steal before you get it? He's a fraud. A pathological liar. A sociopath who justifies finagling real people by constantly repeating the mantra that "its just a game", as if that somehow makes their loss of real time and effort suddenly meaningless.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.22 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23 These threads, not the mod position in SCC, are Riethe's cake. Bumper drama harvest but also some very interesting discussions (from my pov, anyway).
I like you man. Things make sense to you.
Originally by: satane I have 30b...but it's invisible.
Typically when I "shout scam in everyone's threads" it's after doing a decent amount of footwork. In your case, you've failed to produce any evidence of where your profits actually came from (since an audit showed that the majority of the things you were doing was at a loss.
Either way, it doesn't matter. If you scam, the point will be proven. If not, then you unnecessarily complicated things and could have had a lot more investors.
Originally by: Companion Qube Hey man, fat chicks need lovin' too.
I knew you'd make it here.
Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist Well, duh? When will you all not figure it out? EVERYTHING Riethe says is BULL****. Its what he is - he is a scammer. Oh sure, there may be a factual or humorous statement thrown in on occasion, but if you can't verify it, and if there is ANY PLAUSIBLE benefit to him at all (even if you can't figure out what it is), then you MUST assume he's lying.
How many times must he lie and scam and steal before you get it? He's a fraud. A pathological liar. A sociopath who justifies finagling real people by constantly repeating the mantra that "its just a game", as if that somehow makes their loss of real time and effort suddenly meaningless.
Shun him. He is bad for all of us.
That's not true. I don't ever forge logs or screenshots or anything that can damage that side of credibility. Those are really crucial to my website and any other efforts (like attempts to expose people.)
Although there are already people who thing all of eve-scam.com is made up, that's simply ignorance. You can see the victims posting about what has happened in the forums, and even on my site. I'm sure there are also people who see me post logs or screenshots here and automatically assume they're fake. That's fine.
I'm not out to be malicious. In instances where I might post a chatlog in response to a new IPO thread, it's simply an effort to see where the individual stands on certain topics. No point in making it up, they usually respond with some pretty great material on their own.
Besides that, my posting on the forum can't really be considered dishonest--since it's usually just how I feel about things. And that's what most of my posting is. I don't really gain anything from anyone here by lying. It's not as if I can launch an unsecured IPO here and it'll fill.
I'm not a pathological liar. If I don't have an honest response for things, I usually just direct the conversation another way. Blatant lies rarely take place. But then, I guess we'd be arguing semantics.
There's no reason for me to lie about that incident with leeya, either. I'll gladly host the entire chatlog myself. It's not like I'm embarrassed for heckling a guy posing as a woman.
I just thought it should be known that it's not as if I was the ring leader in that situation, and I certainly wasn't the worst offender. I jokingly proposed alternate ideas. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2010.01.22 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
I'm not a pathological liar.
That's exactly what a pathological liar would say.
Hence, you haven't proved anything. |
Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.22 12:02:00 -
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- Grandiose sense of self-importance.
- Preoccupied with fantasies of own success, power, brilliance and infallibility.
- Unjustified (delusional) belief in their own unique special status.
- Demands recognition of that unique special status.
- Unreasonable sense of entitlement, believes others should automatically comply with their will.
- Exploitative of inter-personal relations.
- Lacks empathy.
- Envious of the success of other, believes that success should be theirs.
- Contemptuous & Arrogant
The nine signs of Narcissistic personality disorder.
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2010.01.22 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Cista2 on 22/01/2010 12:18:15
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
- Grandiose sense of self-importance.
- Preoccupied with fantasies of own success, power, brilliance and infallibility.
- Unjustified (delusional) belief in their own unique special status.
- Demands recognition of that unique special status.
- Unreasonable sense of entitlement, believes others should automatically comply with their will.
- Exploitative of inter-personal relations.
- Lacks empathy.
- Envious of the success of other, believes that success should be theirs.
- Contemptuous & Arrogant
But I DON*T have delusions of grandiosity!!! It's just that I really am uniquely intelligent and charismatic, and everything I come up with really is to the benefit of the whole COMMUNITY! And, and...
...oh, sorry, was that post directed at me? |
Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.22 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2 But I DON*T have delusions of grandiosity!!! It's just that I really am uniquely intelligent and charismatic, and everything I come up with really is to the benefit of the whole COMMUNITY! And, and...
...oh, sorry, was that post directed at me?
I laughed. I never thought I'd see you joke like that. Very funny.
And Wyke, if it was for me... That's even funnier. |
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Dagny Bronstein
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Posted - 2010.01.22 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari The nine signs of Narcissistic personality disorder.
oh, we're playing remote psychoanalysis ... how funny - you want to tell us anything about your mother?
Originally by: Riethe And Wyke, if it was for me... That's even funnier.
one vote for histrionic |
Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.22 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dagny Bronstein one vote for histrionic
Now there's no doubt you're talking about Cista. |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.01.22 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Riethe
I'm not a pathological liar.
That's exactly what a pathological liar would say.
Hence, you haven't proved anything.
Haha LVV. Oxymoron much?
So for your statement to be true, only way the sentence could not be true was if you had a pathological liar, unaware of his disability, lying about being a pathological liar?
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.22 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe I'm not a pathological liar. If I don't have an honest response for things, I usually just direct the conversation another way.
You have to lie in order to scam. You have to continue to do it in order to scam to the degree that you do. You also do constantly lie on the forums, despite your claims to the contrary. (See example: You say you don't use scc-lounge to scam, but you really did.)
Now, "pathological" might be up for discussion, but you are either lying or so deluded as to not see your habitual lying, so I'd argue there's a good case there, too.
Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Riethe
I'm not a pathological liar.
That's exactly what a pathological liar would say.
Hence, you haven't proved anything.
Haha LVV. Oxymoron much?
So for your statement to be true, only way the sentence could not be true was if you had a pathological liar, unaware of his disability, lying about being a pathological liar?
No, Ji. It just means that Riethe saying he's not a pathological liar doesn't mean it's true. That statement itself isn't proof of anything, especially when evidence heavily points to the contrary.
Originally by: Akita T BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.22 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega You have to lie in order to scam. You have to continue to do it in order to scam to the degree that you do. You also do constantly lie on the forums, despite your claims to the contrary. (See example: You say you don't use scc-lounge to scam, but you really did.)
I don't "use" the scc-lounge to scam. It is not a scam platform. I took someone from the channel for the purpose of a scam. This was prior to being promoted, and also during a time in which the MOTD stated my exemption from the rules.
You can continue to misinterpret as much as you'd like, and ignore what I'm saying to you. The fact is: I don't "use" the lounge to scam, and that is certainly not my purpose of being there.
Dretzle, you had a few quotes of me in here... I'm certain you did. I accidentally screwed up posting and went to requote you and they're gone now.
Either that or I'm going insane.
Oh.. now I see.. You made 2 posts, and I was replying to both some how. See you in the other thread!
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.01.22 15:09:00 -
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Riethe, I think the proper question is, why do you care so much?
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.01.22 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Riethe
I'm not a pathological liar.
That's exactly what a pathological liar would say.
Hence, you haven't proved anything.
Haha LVV. Oxymoron much?
So for your statement to be true, only way the sentence could not be true was if you had a pathological liar, unaware of his disability, lying about being a pathological liar?
No, Ji. It just means that Riethe saying he's not a pathological liar doesn't mean it's true. That statement itself isn't proof of anything, especially when evidence heavily points to the contrary.
I am not talking about Riethe, I am talking about the implications in: a pathological liar would always say that he wasn't a pathological liar. If that statement is absolute. It would be a huge oxymoron.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.22 15:18:00 -
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I don't shoot bullets, I make isk selling them to other people to shoot.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.22 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack Riethe, I think the proper question is, why do you care so much?
I just sort of asked the same thing to Dretzle in the other thread (or anyone else going on about the sugar jugs thing)
Either way that this argument goes, I don't gain or lose anything. I'm just curious what other people think they gain or lose from it.
If I value something or someone and a promise is made, a promise is kept. In this case, all of the statements made regarding being a moderator of the lounge were truthful. That is because I like Caleb and I like the lounge.
There's a reason why Caleb referred to it as community service.
Does no one understand the concept of exchange?
For example, let's just put it into simple numbers: Let's say being a moderator of the scc lounge is worth 10 million ISK. And let's say I have the potential of scamming 5 million ISK from someone in the lounge.
So, I give 10 to receive 5, and now I have less than I started with.
As you can see, it's not in my best interest.
You could argue that there's always the potential that the value of potentially scammed isk could go up a lot more, but it'd be really hard to ever reach that big 10 million of being a moderator.
Do you understand now? I am capable of making connections with people and caring about them. I care about more than just robbing everyone I meet.
It's not impossible to fathom.
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Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.01.22 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe I care about more than just robbing everyone I meet.
Quote of the day. You should make this your signature.
All this drama is really giving me a headache.
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