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Keil Sonter
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Posted - 2010.01.23 19:03:00 -
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To All,
Our apologies to anyone who was upset at the post made last night.
We advertised for guide writers but used a generic posting and sent it to various forums without much thought. We did not appreciate it would be construed as Spam or as a cross posting and for this we apologise.
What we were trying to do was make contact with anyone who is interested in writing guides etc relating specifically to Warfare and Tactics and our posting should have reflected this instead of being just a generic message.
We will be more 'sensitive' to the forum etiquette in future..
regards, Keil Sonter EVE Corporation Hosting |
Intigo
Amarr Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.01.23 19:06:00 -
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20m ISK for every 1500 words is laughably low, FYI. ___________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it. |
Hoodat Bee
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Posted - 2010.01.23 20:31:00 -
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DIAF.
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Keil Sonter
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Posted - 2010.01.23 23:37:00 -
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Hi,
Thanks for your comments..
We are trying to generate an interest and find talent. The comments you and hopefully other players will input may help us establish a reasonable market rate.
Looking at some competitors we see exactly the rates we quote however I cannot say it has led to any great success (or otherwise) for them. These are the only guidelines we have for reference at the moment and if you know of advertised rates for the type of material we seek then please provide a link.
A greater degree of feedback from players will help us so please send in your comments here or via eve mail.
regards, Keil Sonter EVE Corporation Hosting |
FireT
Gallente As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2010.01.24 00:09:00 -
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I was curious about it. For example the news feed. How often would that happen during a week? And would you guys tell the writers what news to cover?
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Keil Sonter
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Posted - 2010.01.24 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: Keil Sonter on 24/01/2010 00:27:11 Hi FireT,
Thanks for responding and for your inquiry..
We would like to see an update at the very least on a weekly basis and hopefully building to more.
It would be driven by demand to an extent and by the talent(s) of the reporter(s) providing the material.
If demand saw visitors looking for more we would increase the staff and expand the coverage of topics.
If we were lucky enough to secure the services of someone with a real pashion for EVE with a resourceful background who could entertain and educate this would generate the visitor traffic to our new site and the demand would follow...
Not easy to find and worth their weight in ISK..
Regarding 'telling' people what to write - that's not the business we are in. All we seek is articles of interest to various segments of the EVE community - training guides, strategy, pvp and piracy, marketing and trade etc.,etc., and possibly the most 'difficult' subject of all; the social interaction within Corporations - the good and the bad..
If an article is interesting it will stand on its own merits and we will not 'tell' anyone what to write. regards, Keil Sonter EVE Corporation Hosting |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.01.24 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 24/01/2010 02:43:12 Put it this way: if I would make more running L4s than writing your article, I'm not interested. If I'm going to be doing programming, I want at least $25-30/hr worth of ISK. And that is truthfully being really generous because I'd be working on a game I really like.
To put it in perspective, writing a 1500 word article at 30 wpm (which is being very generous, considering that you're actually making content) would imply 50 minutes to write your article. So anything less than 60-100M ISK is not worthwhile by any stretch of the imagination. And even at 100M ISK/1500 words, it's probably still not worthwhile because of editing and proofreading costs.
-Liang
Ed: I'm willing to write for you, but I want properly compensated. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Keil Sonter
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Posted - 2010.01.24 04:52:00 -
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Hi Liang,
Thank you for responding and for your comments.
It is not what you think the article is worth but what the readers value it at. You could write a million words and if it doesn't grab the readers attention, or educate them or entertain and hopefully all three, then it isn't worth a button.
I viewed the amount of posts you have submitted to the Eve forums and its an impressive 11000 or so since 2006.
How much of that could actually be good enough for publication? How much of this was jargon spattered and abbreviated with tech terminology that leaves the average reader having to sit with a glossary just to read through and understand?
It is one thing giving short replies or even lengthy advice in the venue the forum provides and in the tech. speak some indulge in. It is entirely another matter to write for a general audience, in a manner that doesn't overwhelm and keep them coming back, week after week for more?
That is not as easy as you appear to think but if you are up for a challenge then read this post: Article Challenge
regards, Keil Sonter EVE Corporation Hosting |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.01.24 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Keil Sonter
It is not what you think the article is worth but what the readers value it at. You could write a million words and if it doesn't grab the readers attention, or educate them or entertain and hopefully all three, then it isn't worth a button.
I wasn't stating what the article was worth to you. I was stating effectively what it costs to write the article. As for how much of it's fit for posting? I suppose the vast majority of it - while I do troll it is fairly rare. I think it would be surprisingly easy for me to blog or write essays about the various parts of Eve for weeks on end.
However, since you've cross posted this again, I have no interest in working with you. Fly safe.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Keil Sonter
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Posted - 2010.01.24 12:43:00 -
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Thanks again for your response.
I would suggest you put your prolific writing abilities to the test.
Submit an article and we'll let the readers decide if it is worthy of merit.
There is no cross post. The posts we have made are directed at specific forums and the apologies made are for the benefit of readers who do not troll every available forum.
Some readers would visit this and no other forum and would not have had opportunity to see the apology we made elsewhere thus it was made here for their benefit.
To enforce the distinction I have edited the forum subject line to ensure the apology is made to users of a specific forum.
Anyway, I for one would find it extremely interesting if you would climb down from your high horse for an hour or so and compile an article worthy of note and the plaudits of your peers.
The offer I made still stands and if you are as good as you think then I will be more than happy to congratulate you and pay the ISK.
regards, Keil Sonter EVE Corporation Hosting |
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Intigo
Amarr Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.01.24 13:24:00 -
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Haha wow.
You are crossposting yet again, I didn't even realize.
You are truly stupid. ___________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it. |
Keil Sonter
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Posted - 2010.01.24 17:09:00 -
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Thank you for your comments regards, Keil Sonter EVE Corporation Hosting |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.01.24 17:35:00 -
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Business model : Generate RL income from website traffic
Model details : 1. Build plan for a website 2. Spam job/offer adverts in multiple crossposts 3. Offer false "apology" either as damage control or another chance to spam without mod intervention. 4. Recruit lemmings to run the website 5. .... 6. Profit !!!
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.01.24 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Keil Sonter
Anyway, I for one would find it extremely interesting if you would climb down from your high horse for an hour or so and compile an article worthy of note and the plaudits of your peers.
Pay me 750M up front and I'll do it. It'll be an article about mission running in Ravens.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Keil Sonter
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Posted - 2010.01.24 21:36:00 -
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Hi Sturmwolke,
Thanks for your comments...
Quote: Business model : Generate RL income from website traffic
True We have been designing websites for our satisfied clients for approximately 10 years. These are totally unrelated to EVE and range from sites selling gift ware to info sites promoting tourist venues and even one that supplies corporate firework displays.. We don't need to use EVE to generate RL income.
Your shallow, grasping and quite insulting estimation of our business model details :
Quote: 1. Build plan for a website 2. Spam job/offer adverts in multiple crossposts 3. Offer false "apology" either as damage control or another chance to spam without mod intervention. 4. Recruit lemmings to run the website 5. .... 6. Profit !!!
Our Business Model/Experience so far.
1. Identify a niche that no one else is fulfilling for the Eve community 2. Research and establish viability and potential popularity of said niche 3. Build new website and setup niche service 4. Formulate plan for providing added value services - original articles, guides etc 5. Run Lvl4 missions for months to accumulate bank roll for authors fees etc. 6. Decide to 'go public' and contact potential authors of added value materials/services. 7. Make bad mistake by cross posting and try to recover reputation by apologising 8. Begin to feel negative vibes from a few individuals with little constructive criticism to offer. (sob!) 9. Begin to receive positive communications from interested parties. (hurrah!) 10. Realise bankroll isn't going to last long - need to generate ISK to pay for authors - some of whom will demand unrealistic and exorbitant fees. May have to offer advertising space or affiliate slots for ISK (yuck) 11. Set a launch date and prepare site for opening. 12. Work hard, build reputation as serious EVE website. 13. Watch site grow in stature and increase in popularity and begin generating ISK 14. Reach the point where the website is self sustaining and has sufficient ISK to pay bills, authors fees and perhaps even recruit more talent. 15. Feel good - maybe have a beer...
regards, Keil Sonter EVE Corporation Hosting |
Keil Sonter
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Posted - 2010.01.24 21:43:00 -
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Hi Liang,
Thank you for your comments.
I made a serious offer so please treat it as such.
Take the offer I made - let the readership decide if you are good enough to deserve 750M for future work.
Unless of course you are only good for one piece.
Don't be afraid or apprehensive about the possible public reaction to your work. As you can see from the posts I've received so far, the majority of responders are only too happy to provide constructive criticism....
regards, Keil Sonter EVE Corporation Hosting |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.01.25 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Keil Sonter We have been designing websites for our satisfied clients for approximately 10 years. These are totally unrelated to EVE and range from sites selling gift ware to info sites promoting tourist venues and even one that supplies corporate firework displays.. We don't need to use EVE to generate RL income.
Really? And you decide to donate free time doing this out of the goodness your heart? Business isn't keeping you busy?
Originally by: Keil Sonter
Your shallow, grasping and quite insulting estimation of our business model details :
Our Business Model/Experience so far.
1. Identify a niche that no one else is fulfilling for the Eve community 2. Research and establish viability and potential popularity of said niche 3. Build new website and setup niche service 4. Formulate plan for providing added value services - original articles, guides etc 5. Run Lvl4 missions for months to accumulate bank roll for authors fees etc. 6. Decide to 'go public' and contact potential authors of added value materials/services. 7. Make bad mistake by cross posting and try to recover reputation by apologising 8. Begin to feel negative vibes from a few individuals with little constructive criticism to offer. (sob!) 9. Begin to receive positive communications from interested parties. (hurrah!) 10. Realise bankroll isn't going to last long - need to generate ISK to pay for authors - some of whom will demand unrealistic and exorbitant fees. May have to offer advertising space or affiliate slots for ISK (yuck) 11. Set a launch date and prepare site for opening. 12. Work hard, build reputation as serious EVE website. 13. Watch site grow in stature and increase in popularity and begin generating ISK 14. Reach the point where the website is self sustaining and has sufficient ISK to pay bills, authors fees and perhaps even recruit more talent. 15. Feel good - maybe have a beer...
Nice.
1-6. The wheel has already been invented. I can name a few EVE related websites out there that fills several important niches, many without as much as a fanfare or blings-blings. Build whatever you have it mind within your own circle, run it for a while and if it's good, you'll have no shortage of people volunteering. Spamming adverts when you have nothing isn't a very positive act that inspires trust and confidence. Try do that trick in the Market Discussions, you're setting youself up for some verbal lynching.
I'm touched you ran Lvl 4 for months to accumulate the starting capital. How much have you set aside?
7. A mistake? Yes plausible, only if you're not a regular EVE forum reader. Those that haunt and lurk in the depths of this forums know what a crosspost looks like. So, am I to assume you're not familiar with the EVE forum rules, and thus by association, should I also assume that you're rather unfamiliar of what makes an EVE player ticks? Therefore, wouldn't that spell some trouble for what you're proposing?
8. Negative? Not at all. You're confusing caustic constructive criticisms with negativity.
10. I'd love to hear more elaboration on this.
11-14. Shouldn't this be 1-4 instead?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/01/2010 01:00:35
Originally by: Keil Sonter I made a serious offer so please treat it as such.
See, my offer is also serious. You're looking for readership and need quality articles. Sadly, you won't get quality articles without paying for them. You're the one trying to get people to voluntarily give you articles to fill your site. I can see it now (and I have seen this happen in Eve):
Step 1: Promoter: HEY EVERYONE, give me articles and I'll pay you if they're good! * People give articles * Promoter posts articles on site Promoter: Yeah, your article kind of sucked because it didn't give me enough traffic to the site (which is $$ in my pocket noob) People: Erm. Yeah, **** you.
Step 2: Goto Step 1 until you stop getting articles and ad revenue
Quote: Take the offer I made - let the readership decide if you are good enough to deserve 750M for future work.
See, the problem is that Eve is full of scammers - you included. You effectively don't have a readership right now - and you're hoping to get some big names to help you make it. The problem is that people don't like to work for free, and that's exactly what you're expecting out of this.
Maybe you should take a look at the way start ups work: - Identify something cool you can do - Attract a bunch of talent and pay them pennies now, and promise big bucks when the company goes public - Make a cool thing to do that on the backs of virtually free labor - The company fails and the CEO sells the assets and goes to Hawaii and does hooker & blow for a decade on the profits from free labor
Wait... that sounds disturbingly familiar... maybe it's been mentioned in this thread? Maybe in one of your posts? Well, close enough anyway.
Quote: Don't be afraid or apprehensive about the possible public reaction to your work.
Wow, good one! I actually laughed!
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Cattegirn
Rampant SR
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Posted - 2010.01.25 06:02:00 -
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Don't let Liang fool you. (Hint - if you don't pay him, he'll write freely here anyway; He can't help himself.)
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente The Rise of The Dragon Knights Void Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.25 10:23:00 -
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Pay me 1B isk up front and I'll write you an article about scamming Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenĘt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie ROTDK is recruiting
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Laraella Drougin
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Posted - 2010.01.25 10:27:00 -
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Protip:
Take the idea to Dragon's Den. It'd be hilarious to watch you being ripped apart by that lot :D
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Keil Sonter
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Posted - 2010.01.25 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cattegirn Don't let Liang fool you. (Hint - if you don't pay him, he'll write freely here anyway; He can't help himself.)
I think you are right..
The opportunity is presented here to allow Liang (or indeed for anyone who feels capable) to prove the point and let the readers of the article decide on its merit - good or bad. If the consensus is good then payment of 100M is made if the majority view is mediocre or even bad then 20M is paid. A win-win setup for the author.
All I've heard so far is bluster and blow and excuses/reasons for not doing it and a complete lack of trust in our motivation. Sometime things can be done for purely altruistic reasons but those with petty minds always see the negative - some of them must have had some really bad experiences with EVE in the past...
I have at no time asked for people to submit material for nothing. There is a commission available for articles and even a 'salaried' position for reporter(s).
With the recent release of Dominion and subsequent patch releases there is plenty of scope for original material on the new game play..
The one suggestion Liang has made offered to provide an article on missions in a Raven. Not entirely an original idea and far too easy to simply cut and paste from existing material.
From a Google search: eve online missions in a raven - 500,000 hits eve online mission raven - 347,000 hits eve online raven missions - 127,000 hits
What we want and what a lot of people would like to read are original, entertaining and educational articles that deal with the changes the new release and patches have made or, and perhaps most important of all, material that is current and up to date and corrects some of the misinformation that presently peppers the Internet.
I have spent a lot of time looking at existing articles and guides on basic gameplay and the vast majority are woefully out of date on many important topics (even the eve-wiki which should be kept right up to date is sadly lacking.)
By the way Sturmwolke go and read this link on Constrctive Criticism:
Quote: Constructive criticism, or constructive analysis, is a compassionate attitude towards the person qualified for criticism. Having higher experience, gifts, respect, knowledge in specific field and being able to verbally convince at the same time, this person is intending to uplift the other person materially, morally, emotionally or spiritually.
Do you seriously believe anything you have said so far could be construed as constructive or uplifting..?
regards, Keil Sonter EVE Corporation Hosting |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Keil Sonter
The one suggestion Liang has made offered to provide an article on missions in a Raven. Not entirely an original idea and far too easy to simply cut and paste from existing material.
From a Google search: eve online missions in a raven - 500,000 hits eve online mission raven - 347,000 hits eve online raven missions - 127,000 hits
99.9% of it is either drastically oudated or complete crap too. I think that it's pretty hard to find an up to date source of information written by experts with an understanding of how to optimize game play. It's also worth noting that you can find thousands of sources for pretty much anything that someone might want to do in Eve. I assure you that I can write an original article that would be extremely informative to your reader base. Hell, it might even help your own mission running efforts. ;-)
But if you'd prefer, I can write an article on lowsec piracy, highsec piracy, or even 0.0 piracy. Or maybe missioning in an Abaddon, Nightmare, Paladin, Maelstrom, Vargur, or how to optimize your dual box efficiency. Or maybe you'd like an article on advanced open source data warehousing techniques?
Quote: The opportunity is presented here to allow Liang (or indeed for anyone who feels capable) to prove the point and let the readers of the article decide on its merit - good or bad. If the consensus is good then payment of 100M is made if the majority view is mediocre or even bad then 20M is paid. A win-win setup for the author.
Um, a 20M payment for an article of that length is not in fact a win for the author - though likely it is a win for you since it drives people to your site.
Quote: All I've heard so far is bluster and blow and excuses/reasons for not doing it and a complete lack of trust in our motivation. Sometime things can be done for purely altruistic reasons but those with petty minds always see the negative - some of them must have had some really bad experiences with EVE in the past...
This is EVE we are talking about here. Anyone sufficiently experienced with Eve will be wary of scams - and anyone that's been around the block more than once (in life or in Eve) will see that this is just a classic scam setup and defense. Hell, you even crosspost your advertisement, and then crosspost your "apology". Seriously, did the mods not make things clear enough?
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Keil Sonter
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Posted - 2010.01.25 20:38:00 -
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"I have seen the light.."
Originally by: Liang Nuren ...99.9% of it is either drastically oudated or complete crap too. I think that it's pretty hard to find an up to date source of information written by experts with an understanding of how to optimize game play.
My point exactly and something we would like to do something about and with a bit of cooperation from some of the less suspiscious and open-minded players, we can actually produce a valued website that informs and entertains..
Your (and others) unjustified accusations of our motivation will only result in discouraging quality authors from submitting to the point that, as with so many other websites, we will be trawling for trash to simply keep the pages active...
I don't think you fit the 'less suspiscious and open-minded' category comfortably and I know cooperation would be difficult with you, however my offer still stands at 100Million for a decent article and if the demand is there you will be asked to write more and more and more and more and the fee will go up and up and up and up...
Then again you could very well be shot down in flames at the first hurdle...
regards, Keil Sonter EVE Corporation Hosting |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/01/2010 21:28:28
Originally by: Keil Sonter
I don't think you fit the 'less suspiscious and open-minded' category comfortably and I know cooperation would be difficult with you, however my offer still stands at 100Million for a decent article and if the demand is there you will be asked to write more and more and more and more and the fee will go up and up and up and up...
I am actually very easy to get along with once we have a business arrangement. I'm also a prolific enough poster to provide lots of free advertising if the site were of good enough quality and I felt you weren't paying sweatshop labor rates for quality articles. You're obviously looking to draw a RL profit from this, so I would expect some kind of reasonable compensation. At the very most charitably, you're hoping to finance ISK payments through ad revenue + PLEX.
The basic problem here is that 100M ISK is most definitely less than 2 hours of mission running (even if I pull crap missions that are all out of system), and it will take more time than that to prepare a quality article. I need to be paid at least as much as I make missioning for it to be a worthwhile use of my Eve dedicated time.
I'm also a bit hesitant to be associated with someone that crossposted (gross violation of forum etiquette) not once but twice. Even after being warned and having all their posts locked. TBH that's what drove my price up so high too.
-Liang
Ed: Also, this is EVE we are talking about here. And you claim it's unjustified to be skeptical. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.01.25 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Keil Sonter By the way Sturmwolke go and read this link on Constructive Criticism:
Do you seriously believe anything you have said so far could be construed as constructive or uplifting..?
So, I guess this means you consider semantics more important than addressing the real (or implied) questions? The truth is always painful eh?
And by the way, Keil, I'm actually impressed that you pulled up Google search hit stats to demonstrate that a mission Raven idea is unoriginal, way too common and thus easily plagiarised. It wouldn't have even crossed my mind to even bother to do the stats because I get bombarded by a (newbie) Raven/Ravenkind questions on a regular basis, whilst lurking in the depths of the EVE forums.
So, does that mean an insinuation in your part that Liang would plagiarise web materials for his guide ... or does that mean that you don't consider the Raven mission guide as a worthy hotpick idea? Which is it?
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Keil Sonter
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Posted - 2010.01.25 23:34:00 -
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Quote: So, does that mean an insinuation in your part that Liang would plagiarise web materials for his guide ... or does that mean that you don't consider the Raven mission guide as a worthy hotpick idea? Which is it?
Of course a subject such as that would be brought up regularly in the forums - that is exactly the purpose of a forum - to ask specific questions or to seek clarification from the 'experts'. But generally after having read some guide elsewhere the player then needs help from the forum experts on the specifics. The forums are not an ideal medium for guides even though many are posted here.
No insinuation of plagiarism was intended or inferred but that particular subject has been covered in so many way by so many people that it would be extremely hard for anyone to write anything original on the subject and the level of hits on Google was shown to emphasise this. Plus cutting and pasting tech specs would be an easy way to 'pad out' an article to make up the word count.
No, what we want is really original, accurate, interesting, educational, entertaining and current material.. Not much to ask for is it?
regards, Keil Sonter EVE Corporation Hosting |
Jill Xelitras
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Posted - 2010.01.26 00:42:00 -
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Dunno if anyone suggested this already, but
can I write a guide on crossposting ?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.01.26 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Keil Sonter
No insinuation of plagiarism was intended or inferred but that particular subject has been covered in so many way by so many people that it would be extremely hard for anyone to write anything original on the subject and the level of hits on Google was shown to emphasise this. Plus cutting and pasting tech specs would be an easy way to 'pad out' an article to make up the word count.
I assure you that I (and many other good quality posters) would have no trouble at all making quality original articles for your site. The problem here is that you don't want to pay more than sweatshop labor rates for it.
Quote: No, what we want is really original, accurate, interesting, educational, entertaining and current material.. Not much to ask for is it?
The problem is that the topic has been covered in so many ways, and yet is still constantly brought up. Why is that? Well - it's brought up for exactly the same reason that you seem to decide that it isn't a worthy thing: there's too much (outdated) information available.
Incidentally, I saw in one of your crossposted threads that you've already begun to steal content from the Eve-Online forums and "cut and pasting" it into your own site. I find it highly amusing that you seek "original quality current content" and yet resort to stealing it from other sites.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.01.26 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Keil Sonter Of course a subject such as that would be brought up regularly in the forums - that is exactly the purpose of a forum - to ask specific questions or to seek clarification from the 'experts'. But generally after having read some guide elsewhere the player then needs help from the forum experts on the specifics. The forums are not an ideal medium for guides even though many are posted here.
No insinuation of plagiarism was intended or inferred but that particular subject has been covered in so many way by so many people that it would be extremely hard for anyone to write anything original on the subject and the level of hits on Google was shown to emphasise this. Plus cutting and pasting tech specs would be an easy way to 'pad out' an article to make up the word count.
No, what we want is really original, accurate, interesting, educational, entertaining and current material.. Not much to ask for is it?
You're missing the point Keil. The EVE forum is a window to the thoughts and mind of many vocal and passionate EVE players out there, even with all the trolling and alt postings. I believe even CCP acknowledges this, whether officially or unofficially, and we have seen player feedback effect several game changes to further reinforce that argument.
Your act of even digging up Google hit stats tells me that you're :
1) Unfamiliar with the general quality of posts made by Liang, and where most of them are posted. Thus, from here we can extrapolate several conclusions about yourself and EVE. None of which will help you case.
2) Unfamiliar with the rate of Raven/Ravenkind threads that pop out in the EVE forum. Keep in mind, the contents in those threads forms the very basis of what needs to be covered to get a generally acceptable missioning with the Raven guide. If you've been reading long enough, you know that each of the Raven/Ravenkind thread asks essentially the same questions over and over again. Therefore, originality, accurateness (and whatever the rest is) were never in question.
To summarize, you have just portrayed yourself as someone who's out of touch with EVE, but yet want to do an EVE related website out of the goodness of your heart. I find that quite interesting.
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