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Morgorathi
Khazarian Resergence Silver Dragonz
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:38:00 -
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I feel for you OP
I blew $270 AUD on Cryptic points to get a Jem'hadar Attack ship. I didn't get it.. in fact it had such a low loot chance from boxs that you had to spend roughly $420 AUD to get a decent shot at it.
I didn't get reimbursed nor reparations.
I suggest you should learn from your mistake, do not assume everything "unique"(with a few exceptions) is truly unique ESPECIALLY when it comes to novelty items, cosmetics and other useless crap in games. I mean sure I WANT that monocle but am I going to blow $XX on it, Of course not, I have better things to spend my money on. Like ****, alcohol, bacon and women who like being payed for at restaurants. |
browniesftw
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
4
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:49:00 -
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so why didn't you buy the plex with isk or just the shirt with isk? |
Morgorathi
Khazarian Resergence Silver Dragonz
7
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:55:00 -
[183] - Quote
I think the grand irony of this thread is that OP
Is wearing RMT Monocle, RMT Coat but not the $200 RMT "SPECIAL EDITION" shirt. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:01:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:im starting to see this sort of thing in a lot of games.
i have to wonder if we are not giving enough to support PC game devs. they actually have to do this stuff, i think, especially in todays economy. I do know that there is more money in console gaming, so i think people should not be so harsh to the op, because, without that sort of investment from PC gamers, i think the money would have to come from the general playerbase or elsewhere. rather than laugh at those who wish for cosmetic differences for a bit of real money investment. you should really support him in this because they (game developers) should hold their end of the bargain on exclusive "money injection" payments like that. its not like its pay to win (the shirt, not the plex), so thats why exclusive vanity items should be kept exclusive. their value is in their vanity.
as a gaming consumer myself, i have made a few mistakes, mostly pre order mistakes, for that snazzy pre order item. i wish i could take it back and have saved the money or that things were more of an official stance than vague small print that you never know if they will devalue your item too soon.
Gaming industry in developed countries is the only comercially prolific in these times of economical recession. Don't talk like developers are starving. This post has no sense at all. Also, they are not programming anything, this clothing is designer job. The code they are using for CQ is just a scrap from DUST and they will also use it on WoD. EvE is taking the scraps from CCP. |
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:34:00 -
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well yeah i should have added that they atleast have to deliver the standard service, that part i dont disagree on, i am more speaking from a standpoint of selling vanity alongside a decent standard service. i wasnt really thinking of CCP when i wrote that, but PC gaming devs in general and vanity items..
its well known though that PC gamers spend a lot less money than console gamers because there is less of us and more of them. |
Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
285
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:38:00 -
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Robert Warner wrote:You were treated like " ***** and dingleberries" the moment you spent the equivalent of $200 on a virtual T-shirt, so why come to the forums complaining about it a year later?
let me fix this for you
"You BECAME a dumbfuck dingleberry the moment you spent the equivalent of $200 on a virtual T-shirt, so why come to the forums complaining about it a year later?" I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.06.26 16:25:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:well yeah i should have added that they atleast have to deliver the standard service, that part i dont disagree on, i am more speaking from a standpoint of selling vanity alongside a decent standard service. i wasnt really thinking of CCP when i wrote that, but PC gaming devs in general and vanity items..
its well known though that PC gamers spend a lot less money than console gamers because there is less of us and more of them.
It's a crappy service because it's a crappy feature. I play videogames since Atari was launched and only now this restricting content crap is on. It used to be that you acessed content through gaming only. This RMT **** is destroying creative videogame development. People don't have to play to acess content anymore so they don't care as long as they can have what they want NOW, because they payed for it. As an example the OPs behaviour on the first post. EvE used to be a bastion as a commercially sucessful independent game, now it's going on the same way to become a slot machine like other contemporary games because of overgrown babies like him.
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Panacani
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:21:00 -
[188] - Quote
There is a lot of trolling of the op saying CCP never stated the shirt would be limited edition or that it wouldn't eventually be worth less than a can of soda. While that is true, it simply proves that they have deceptive marketing practices.
So either they are incompetent and missed the fact that a limited edition shirt would go on 'sale', or they are deceptive in offering a can of soda (and masking it's value) as a bonus to a $200 sale. Either way, the op has a legitimate gripe. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
7
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:23:00 -
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Something needs to be done about this. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:32:00 -
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Panacani wrote:There is a lot of trolling of the op saying CCP never stated the shirt would be limited edition or that it wouldn't eventually be worth less than a can of soda. While that is true, it simply proves that they have deceptive marketing practices.
So either they are incompetent and missed the fact that a limited edition shirt would go on 'sale', or they are deceptive in offering a can of soda (and masking it's value) as a bonus to a $200 sale. Either way, the op has a legitimate gripe.
This thread is ridiculous and OP is too. He doesn't give a **** about the game, he just wanted an saving account for his 'investment' in the form of a digital shirt. |
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Redbullcity Stetille
The Craniac The Aurora Shadow
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:36:00 -
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OP has a point, with antics like this, any incentive towards future promotional offers would go down substantially. I feel bad for you OP, and I hope CCP compensates for it somehow. And CCP, it was a bad marketing move in my opinion, as it is, people hesitate to spend so much on virtual stuff and seems like those who do are ridiculed by many, as we have seen in this thread and you only gave them a good reason to do so. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:37:00 -
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A fool and his money are easily parted.... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2111
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:07:00 -
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Panacani wrote:There is a lot of trolling of the op saying CCP never stated the shirt would be limited edition or that it wouldn't eventually be worth less than a can of soda. While that is true, it simply proves that they have deceptive marketing practices.
So either they are incompetent and missed the fact that a limited edition shirt would go on 'sale', or they are deceptive in offering a can of soda (and masking it's value) as a bonus to a $200 sale. Either way, the op has a legitimate gripe.
There was no "limited edition" shirt. You, like many others, are confusing Special Edition with Limited Edition. They are not the same thing.
A bonus can of soda on a $200 sale is still a bonus can of soda. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
154
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:09:00 -
[194] - Quote
Dude, you spent real money on an imaginary space shirt |
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
77
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:29:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
Funniest post of the year. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1521
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:36:00 -
[196] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Panacani wrote:There is a lot of trolling of the op saying CCP never stated the shirt would be limited edition or that it wouldn't eventually be worth less than a can of soda. While that is true, it simply proves that they have deceptive marketing practices.
So either they are incompetent and missed the fact that a limited edition shirt would go on 'sale', or they are deceptive in offering a can of soda (and masking it's value) as a bonus to a $200 sale. Either way, the op has a legitimate gripe. There was no "limited edition" shirt. You, like many others, are confusing Special Edition with Limited Edition. They are not the same thing. A bonus can of soda on a $200 sale is still a bonus can of soda.
Semantics aside, it's poor judgement on CCPs part to give the impression that you are receiving something heretofore unreleased and thus a gift not unlike the Quaffe shirts and ships. This was not a slip. Marketing departments don't slip up. It was a well thought out obfuscation of the truth so as to get people to buy a large number of PLEXes that they otherwise might not have.
It's SOP in the business but nonetheless dishonest in my opinion. And with the blow-back from this debacle, it's only going to hurt CCP's chances of slipping it by us the next time. They have effectively neutered themselves.
But mostly I quoted you just to say I like your new look. I think it suits.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Reloadin
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 19:14:00 -
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And to think I thought I'd got a bargain picking this shirt up for 480m when I saw it going for over a bil a few months later.
So when are we going to see other supposedly limited items available? Red and blue quafe shirts? Green and gold esquire coat? Tournament ships?
What new gimmicks / marketing shams will you come up with to sell plex / collectors editions in the future? |
Joe Skellington
Sarz'na Khumatari
66
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Posted - 2012.06.26 19:17:00 -
[198] - Quote
500 Aur, not bad. Thanks for the tip bro. Please note that ASCII art is not permitted in the forum signatures. Spitfire |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2112
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Posted - 2012.06.26 19:17:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Panacani wrote:There is a lot of trolling of the op saying CCP never stated the shirt would be limited edition or that it wouldn't eventually be worth less than a can of soda. While that is true, it simply proves that they have deceptive marketing practices.
So either they are incompetent and missed the fact that a limited edition shirt would go on 'sale', or they are deceptive in offering a can of soda (and masking it's value) as a bonus to a $200 sale. Either way, the op has a legitimate gripe. There was no "limited edition" shirt. You, like many others, are confusing Special Edition with Limited Edition. They are not the same thing. A bonus can of soda on a $200 sale is still a bonus can of soda. Semantics aside, it's poor judgement on CCPs part to give the impression that you are receiving something heretofore unreleased and thus a gift not unlike the Quaffe shirts and ships. This was not a slip. Marketing departments don't slip up. It was a well thought out obfuscation of the truth so as to get people to buy a large number of PLEXes that they otherwise might not have. It's SOP in the business but nonetheless dishonest in my opinion. And with the blow-back from this debacle, it's only going to hurt CCP's chances of slipping it by us the next time. They have effectively neutered themselves. But mostly I quoted you just to say I like your new look. I think it suits. Mr Epeen
Thank you good sir.
Advertising speak is always full of attention getting phrases that don't always mean what you assume they mean at first blush, I readily admit that.
Many is the time I see a "Special Edition" item thrown in as part of some deal, leaving the buyer to assume what they will. My general rule of thumb is simply "If it doesn't say specifically that only a set number will ever be made, don['t assume that this is the case".
It's been a long time since I really got into collecting anything in particular, in my case I used to collect limited edtion and/or custom blades of various types, but even though you would think that type of collection/investment would be cut and dried I still had to be a bit careful. In that hobby (like many others), "Special Edition" items were a dime a dozen, and the only items that had a high likelyhood of going up in value were sequentially numbered Limited Editions with a certificate stating that the item would never be reproduced.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.06.26 19:49:00 -
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Reloadin wrote:And to think I thought I'd got a bargain picking this shirt up for 480m when I saw it going for over a bil a few months later.
So when are we going to see other supposedly limited items available? Red and blue quafe shirts? Green and gold esquire coat? Tournament ships?
What new gimmicks / marketing shams will you come up with to sell plex / collectors editions in the future?
Try 'unique' ships 're-issued' and given as gifts of choice at last CCP's birthday: Primae, Echelon, Zephyr and Apotheosis. All useless, but even so, more useful than this ******* shirt. |
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Dirk Culliford
Aliastra Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.26 21:04:00 -
[201] - Quote
So, OP, from your own post said shirt was worth 1.2b. You could therefore have acquired it for 3 plex, with some isk left over.
Either
- You actually kind of wanted 13 plex anyway, which shoots down your own argument of "I only bought them for the shirt"
or
- You failed at economics lesson 1
This point is unrelated to the other valid points already presented relating to whining about the free toy that came in your cereal when all you paid for was cereal. |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
32
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Posted - 2012.06.26 21:14:00 -
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Dirk Culliford wrote:So, OP, from your own post said shirt was worth 1.2b. You could therefore have acquired it for 3 plex, with some isk left over.
Either
- You actually kind of wanted 13 plex anyway, which shoots down your own argument of "I only bought them for the shirt"
or
- You failed at economics lesson 1
This point is unrelated to the other valid points already presented relating to whining about the free toy that came in your cereal when all you paid for was cereal.
This is exactly what I don't get either. People buying stuff in EVE based only off it's value as dictated by the items rarity and high AUR price. It is as if CCP were to make virtual gold bars which couldn't be used for manufacturing or anything else. I was a bit hesitant in paying 400m on the red/gold Executor which was competitive with the old retail 3000 AUR priced Sterlings, but decided to buy it since that is about the top of what I would pay for something I would wear. The monocle on the other hand looks tacky and is above my current budget so it remains the only (not counting the new FW stuff) item that I don't own. |
Flakey Foont
166
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Posted - 2012.06.26 21:18:00 -
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I bought a jackalope and now my friend has one! |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
104
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Posted - 2012.06.27 02:12:00 -
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OP, you better sell your monocle(s) before CCP
1) introduced identical left/gold monocle as either 500AUR NeX item or
2) made right/gold monocle not-so-rare drop from NPCs or
3) made both monocles craftable with ~ 0 ISK cost.
Because it is clear this is not last time CCP messed with NeX and avatars. |
Reloadin
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 02:32:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:OP, you better sell your monocle(s) before CCP
1) introduced identical left/gold monocle as either 500AUR NeX item or
2) made right/gold monocle not-so-rare drop from NPCs or
3) made both monocles craftable with ~ 0 ISK cost.
Because it is clear this is not last time CCP messed with NeX and avatars.
Yes, anyone with a monocle or any other older clothing should sell it while you can still get something for it.
Quote: Existing items from before June 19th will remain in the store, for now, at the current prices
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8235
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Posted - 2012.06.27 02:36:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Semantics aside, it's poor judgement on CCPs part to give the impression that you are receiving something heretofore unreleased and thus a gift not unlike the Quaffe shirts and ships. To be fair, it was true at the time. The entire problem is that the OP assumed it would remain unreleased afterwards as well even though nothing of the kind was ever mentioned. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Ariel Marquette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.06.27 02:39:00 -
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50 cents each?
1 PLEX costs $20. 1 PLEX converts to 3,500 AUR. 1 Ishukone shirt costs 500 AUR.
So, the shirt has a value of 1/7 of $20, or approximately $2.86. It's clearly worth over 5 times your 50-cent valuation.
Also, you fail at math. |
Rikula
Opur
3
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Posted - 2012.06.27 03:27:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:OP, you better sell your monocle(s) before CCP
1) introduced identical left/gold monocle as either 500AUR NeX item or
2) made right/gold monocle not-so-rare drop from NPCs or
3) made both monocles craftable with ~ 0 ISK cost.
Because it is clear this is not last time CCP messed with NeX and avatars.
If this is the correct take-home message from this situation, then it has another corollary: Don't spend aurum or ISK on clothing items where you require some trust from CCP to respect the value of the item.
Which for many people will mean, don't spend aurum or ISK on clothing items.
And I really think that's not the message CCP should be sending. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
754
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Posted - 2012.06.27 03:48:00 -
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Reloadin wrote:Lipbite wrote:OP, you better sell your monocle(s) before CCP
1) introduced identical left/gold monocle as either 500AUR NeX item or
2) made right/gold monocle not-so-rare drop from NPCs or
3) made both monocles craftable with ~ 0 ISK cost.
Because it is clear this is not last time CCP messed with NeX and avatars. Yes, anyone with a monocle or any other older clothing should sell it while you can still get something for it. Quote: Existing items from before June 19th will remain in the store, for now, at the current prices
I hear some people figured out how to use stupidly expensive monocles and then sell them, prior to it being nerfed. Incursions still need to be nerfed more. Cut payouts by 50% for all ships worth more than 10m. |
Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
932
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Posted - 2012.06.27 03:52:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase. What? You're mad because you wanted to pay $230 for a pixel shirt, and in the end only had to pay $0.50?
There's no end to the ridiculous rage some people have.
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