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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2010.01.26 03:34:00 -
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Today, Moira. [AISA] has confirmed what FIO intelligence indicated and anectotal reports corroberated. The Intaki Liberation Front actively collaborates with and directs intelligence to Caldari State Protectorate forces in the Placid region, to aid the continued Caldari occupation of the Intaki system.
At 00:49:18 on Jan. 26th, YST, 5 State Protectorate vessels were detected moving at high speed from Loes stargate to the Intaki stargate, in the Agoze system. These ships warped directly to the gate. This came directly after Moira successfully captured a Outpost in the Intaki system, dealing a small blow to Caldari defenses there.
There were no witnesses to the Moira. operation in the outpost during its duration, save two ILF pilots, and therefore, no Protectorate pilot should have had knowledge of our presence. The only logical explanation to the aggressive and purposeful maneuvers of the Protectorate ships is the Front sharing the intelligence regarding our operation with C-MAC.
This collaboration of the ILF with the State Protectorate, a partnership designed to prevent the lifting of the Caldari Blockade over Intaki Prime, corroborated the FIO dossier we received in ILF activity within the system, which formed the basis of our attacks upon their organization within Stacmon and Intaki proper, as reported earlier by other sources.
In light of the continued cooperation of the Front with Provist forces, Moira. will escalate combat operations in the Viriette constellation, and has deemed the ILF a target of opportunity, as accessories to the war targets we are already fighting.
Separatist collaborators will not be tolerated during a time of open war.
-Lum. Gen. Julianus Soter, CEO, Moira.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.01.26 04:25:00 -
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you do know ILF works with what ever side they choose?
the ILF is Independent, they don't answer to the Feds or the State.
they help who they please when it suits the Intaki
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2010.01.26 04:32:00 -
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I merely find it deeply ironic, Bliss, that the ILF would side with those that conducted a military blockade and occupation of their home system, causing a severe supply shortage on the surface of their homeworld.
Though, now that I think of it. . .it was the ILF that got the publicity for delivering the needed supplies to Intaki Prime. Hm. Surely coincidence.
Brigadier Rocarion claims that the State Protectorate delivered the Intaki system to the Intaki Liberation Front as a gift. And even now, the ILF aids that same Protectorate that currently holds it.
Thus far, it seems the ILF has taken every possible action to extend their own publicity and corporate power, sacrificing their own people on Intaki Prime in the process.
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Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.01.26 04:34:00 -
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Enlighten me, as I'm unfamiliar with some aspects of this claim.
1. Are you telling me that when an enemy has captured an outpost the only way to know is visual confirmation?
2. If so, are you saying that the two ILF pilots were present to visually confirm the capture?
3. If not, are you saying that the two ILF pilots were the only ones who might have received any warning (Such as system messages), or that those who might have also seen it were all well known to you and could not have reasonably been alt clones/servants/spies for the Protectorate/Imperial Navy?
If the answer to at least the last is negative, then I'd call this circumstantial evidence rather than conclusive proof.
* Jakiin Torash Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Uncle Jak wants YOU to join the Khanid Provincial Vanguard! |
Mielono
Caldari SWARTA
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Posted - 2010.01.26 04:37:00 -
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If self government of the people of intaki is the most profitable path that can be taken, then the Caldari will more than gladly help them do so. So far protecting their fledgling grass roots government has caused loads of problems and conspiracies weakening the Gallente. They are more than paying for their right to rule themselves.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.01.26 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter I merely find it deeply ironic, Bliss, that the ILF would side with those that conducted a military blockade and occupation of their home system, causing a severe supply shortage on the surface of their homeworld.
Though, now that I think of it. . .it was the ILF that got the publicity for delivering the needed supplies to Intaki Prime. Hm. Surely coincidence.
Brigadier Rocarion claims that the State Protectorate delivered the Intaki system to the Intaki Liberation Front as a gift. And even now, the ILF aids that same Protectorate that currently holds it.
Thus far, it seems the ILF has taken every possible action to extend their own publicity and corporate power, sacrificing their own people on Intaki Prime in the process.
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
either way, you gonna do something about it then? more piracy on their membership perhaps?
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2010.01.26 04:59:00 -
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Now that would be telling, Bliss.
All I can say for now is "stay tuned".
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Jianni Sotaku
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.01.26 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mielono If self government of the people of intaki is the most profitable path that can be taken, then the Caldari will more than gladly help them do so. So far protecting their fledgling grass roots government has caused loads of problems and conspiracies weakening the Gallente. They are more than paying for their right to rule themselves.
So your saying, for the Intaki to be free - they have to find ways to pay for it?
Odd. Yet a surprisingly truthful answer from that side of the fence.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2010.01.26 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter Brigadier Rocarion claims that the State Protectorate delivered the Intaki system to the Intaki Liberation Front as a gift. And even now, the ILF aids that same Protectorate that currently holds it.
Dont think i've ever said such thing about Intaki system. However, we did give relief aid as gift to ILF and I am not denying that.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.01.26 11:11:00 -
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I guess the Moira gauntlet being thrown down didn't particularly impress the ILF. Doesn't look like you're getting through to them, but then again that sort of message was never going to work on a group like the Front.
I thought you people allowed for dissent Soter, isn't that what the Federation is all about?
Originally by: Jianni Sotaku So your saying, for the Intaki to be free - they have to find ways to pay for it?
Odd. Yet a surprisingly truthful answer from that side of the fence.
Everybody in this galaxy pays in some form Ms. Sotaku, we simply acknowledge the fact.
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Carlani Hudson
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Posted - 2010.01.26 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Dont think i've ever said such thing about Intaki system. However, we did give relief aid as gift to ILF and I am not denying that.
Well, memories can be so unreliable... Thankfully, that's what automatic logs are for :
[ 2009.10.06 07:14:37 ] Carlani Hudson > You're not telling me you're doing this for the ILF, are you ? [ 2009.10.06 07:15:00 ] Damar Rocarion > And if I was?(...) [ 2009.10.06 07:16:59 ] Damar Rocarion > I claim no rights [on Intaki]. We merely gave ILF opportunity for what it craved. [ 2009.10.06 07:17:06 ] Damar Rocarion > If they wish to squander it, it's their right
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.01.26 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Carlani Hudson
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Dont think i've ever said such thing about Intaki system. However, we did give relief aid as gift to ILF and I am not denying that.
Well, memories can be so unreliable... Thankfully, that's what automatic logs are for :
[ 2009.10.06 07:14:37 ] Carlani Hudson > You're not telling me you're doing this for the ILF, are you ? [ 2009.10.06 07:15:00 ] Damar Rocarion > And if I was?(...) [ 2009.10.06 07:16:59 ] Damar Rocarion > I claim no rights [on Intaki]. We merely gave ILF opportunity for what it craved. [ 2009.10.06 07:17:06 ] Damar Rocarion > If they wish to squander it, it's their right
Saying that STPRO Occupation of Intaki is an opportunity for the ILF is a far cry from saying that STPRO only took Intaki from the FDU as a 'gift' to the ILF.
Nothing presented here by Moira. up to this point is 'evidence' of anything.
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dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins
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Posted - 2010.01.26 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
I thought you people allowed for dissent Soter, isn't that what the Federation is all about?
While I will not comment on the legitimacy of Mr. Soter's actions, as I suspect both sides are guilty of doctoring history to suit their needs, I will say this: The Federation has a history of political dissidents simply disappearing into the air. It could be coincidence, could not be, but it does have that history.
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
We even had an internal debate on the issue of Free Captains holding slaves - one which concluded that it was a private matter for the individual.
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.01.26 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: dibblebill
Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
I thought you people allowed for dissent Soter, isn't that what the Federation is all about?
While I will not comment on the legitimacy of Mr. Soter's actions, as I suspect both sides are guilty of doctoring history to suit their needs, I will say this: The Federation has a history of political dissidents simply disappearing into the air. It could be coincidence, could not be, but it does have that history.
And then there was that one time when thousands of Intakis who sympathized with the Caldari were exiled from the Federation altogether for their dissenting views.
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Tarhim
Caldari Deformed inc Symbiogenesis
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Posted - 2010.01.26 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter
Separatist collaborators will not be tolerated during a time of open war.
Or, indeed, never - because if someone would express their desire to leave loving embrace of Gallente you will declare state of war on them immediately.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2010.01.26 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Julianus Soter on 26/01/2010 15:58:09 Our Federation welcomes vast numbers of immigrants, all with various and sundry backgrounds, political views, and religions. Our society is built on patriotic dissent, the idea that one might protest against the policies on the government without betraying the nation as a whole.
Giving tactical intelligence to the enemy is not patriotic dissent.
Making a devil's bargain with a hostile invasion force is not "protest".
It is treason.
The ILF has picked their lot. I still await a formal reply from their organization regarding the allegations.
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Apollonius Verus
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2010.01.26 16:35:00 -
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These claims are baseless. The ILF is neutral in the Faction War. We do not provide intelligence for the FDU, and we do not provide intelligence for the Caldari Militia. We do not join fleets with FDU or Caldari Militia either.
Anyone who wishes can review our Rules of Engagement for a better understanding of our position. See the "Special Case #2 - Faction Warfare" section in particular.
Your wild accusations and attempts to seed dissent accomplish nothing other than to hurt your credibility.
View the Intaki Homeworld Webcam at www.ilfcorp.com |
Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.01.26 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej Saying that STPRO Occupation of Intaki is an opportunity for the ILF is a far cry from saying that STPRO only took Intaki from the FDU as a 'gift' to the ILF.
Nothing presented here by Moira. up to this point is 'evidence' of anything.
Look out for the Horsemen, ladies and gentlemen, because the academic is in agreement with the warrior.
Since I have not received a response to my questions, it's fairly safe to assume this is because Moira. pilots don't like what the answers lead one to logically conclude, so I can thus make the educated guess that Moira. has no way to prove that a protectorate spy/sympathizer/member outside of the ILF wasn't privy to the capture.
This means that this is simply the same as we've seen before: Fanatics of the Federation (Federal Fanatics? Gallente Gestapo? Equality Extremists?) pointing to Federation citizens who dare remain neutral and calling them sympathizers based on shadows and coincidence. The only difference now is that it's been awhile since someone's pointed a gun at them.
* Jakiin Torash Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Uncle Jak wants YOU to join the Khanid Provincial Vanguard! |
Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2010.01.26 16:50:00 -
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No one else but the ILF knew of our capture, and within minutes the State Protectorate arrived on the scene with a Rook, Vagabond, Ares, and two frigates, designed specifically to hunt down our Cynabal and Thrasher.
The speed of response, the particular fleet configuration, and their immediate course to Intaki, a dead-end and little-populated system, all point towards direct involvement between the ILF and elements of the Protectorate.
As for you, Mssr. Verus, just because you say you are publically neutral doesn't automatically ensure that you are, in fact neutral. All the facts point otherwise.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.01.26 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Apollonius Verus
Your wild accusations and attempts to seed dissent accomplish nothing other than to hurt your credibility.
hurt their credability? they are pirates, they have no credability... |
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Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.01.26 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter No one else but the ILF knew of our capture, and within minutes the State Protectorate arrived on the scene with a Rook, Vagabond, Ares, and two frigates, designed specifically to hunt down our Cynabal and Thrasher.
How did they come to this knowledge in such a way that no one else could have gained it?
Are you saying that when you captured the outpost, the means used by the ILF (That no one you did not personally know besides them could have used, mind) was the only way to know?
Quote: The speed of response, the particular fleet configuration, and their immediate course to Intaki, a dead-end and little-populated system, all point towards direct involvement between the ILF and elements of the Protectorate.
So you're saying that this configuration you used was an uncommon one? That there was no one who had seen you flying this pair earlier? That the fleet configuration used by the protectorate was unorthodox?
Quote: As for you, Mssr. Verus, just because you say you are publically neutral doesn't automatically ensure that you are, in fact neutral. All the facts point otherwise.
Likewise, just because you say they're collaborators doesn't mean they are. Please answer the questions so that we have a greater understanding of the situation.
* Jakiin Torash Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Uncle Jak wants YOU to join the Khanid Provincial Vanguard! |
Ze'ev Sinraali
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2010.01.26 20:45:00 -
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I believe the appropriate term is confirmation bias?
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BloodBird
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2010.01.26 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss you do know ILF works with what ever side they choose?
the ILF is Independent, they don't answer to the Feds or the State.
they help who they please when it suits the Intaki
either way, you gonna do something about it then? more piracy on their membership perhaps?
Wrong, Mr. Bliss.
the ILF help who they please when it suits the ILF.
You should realize, that no matter how many times people repeat the words "The ILF speak for the Intaki people" it will not magically become truth. The ILF has traditionally claimed to speak for a minority among the people on Intaki Prime; the one's who feel separating the Assembly from the Federation to be the best way forward.
There as another even smaller part of the people who wish for the Intaki Assembly to join the State.
Now, if Mr. Soter's claims are accurate, the question becomes who among these the ILF claim to speak for. Perhaps they alter their stance ofthen and speak for either at separate times? Who knows.
What is for sure however is that the ILF has never and will never speak for "The Intaki" as in, the Intaki people living on the homeworld, or anywhere else for that matter. Despite what many State loyalists and others would love to think, they speak only for a small group of capsuleers; themselves.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.01.27 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dex Nederland on 27/01/2010 05:18:32 Edited by: Dex Nederland on 27/01/2010 05:18:22
Originally by: BloodBird What is for sure however is that the ILF has never and will never speak for "The Intaki" as in, the Intaki people living on the homeworld, or anywhere else for that matter. Despite what many State loyalists and others would love to think, they speak only for a small group of capsuleers; themselves.
The same could be said for Moria, EL-G, STRIX, (and their pilots) or individual FDU pilots in that they do not speak for the Federation or that LDIS, Forgetech, I-RED, CAIN, individual STPRO pilots can not speak for the State or the corporations we claim to represent.
So despite the fact that it would be easy to write off the entire Federation, its populous, and its supporters as being of the same mind as Mssr. Soter or Mssr. Inhonores or to portray every State pilot, executive, or employee as being in lock-step with Tibus Heth-haan or Damar Rocarion-haan, to do so is to ignore the history of the personalities, corporations, and peoples involved.
The ILF may only be a vocal minority, but if the Federation (and the State) fail to address the ILF's concerns they will create trouble for whatever entity professes to control the Intaki system.
Friends are not made at the point of a sword, only enemies.
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Ze'ev Sinraali
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2010.01.27 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland Edited by: Dex Nederland on 27/01/2010 05:18:32 Edited by: Dex Nederland on 27/01/2010 05:18:22
Originally by: BloodBird What is for sure however is that the ILF has never and will never speak for "The Intaki" as in, the Intaki people living on the homeworld, or anywhere else for that matter. Despite what many State loyalists and others would love to think, they speak only for a small group of capsuleers; themselves.
The same could be said for Moria, EL-G, STRIX, (and their pilots) or individual FDU pilots in that they do not speak for the Federation or that LDIS, Forgetech, I-RED, CAIN, individual STPRO pilots can not speak for the State or the corporations we claim to represent.
So despite the fact that it would be easy to write off the entire Federation, its populous, and its supporters as being of the same mind as Mssr. Soter or Mssr. Inhonores or to portray every State pilot, executive, or employee as being in lock-step with Tibus Heth-haan or Damar Rocarion-haan, to do so is to ignore the history of the personalities, corporations, and peoples involved.
The ILF may only be a vocal minority, but if the Federation (and the State) fail to address the ILF's concerns they will create trouble for whatever entity professes to control the Intaki system.
Friends are not made at the point of a sword, only enemies.
And may God prevent the day that any capsuleer speaks for the human race.
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AncientGuardian
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2010.01.27 07:12:00 -
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It would apear, that even with the Other FDU corps trying to honor our neutrality. That Moria. has decided to declar war on a neutral party.
Is this going to be supported by the other FDU corps, whom we have been trying very diligintly over the past few months to be neutral with.
For Moira. to do such an act, how do they expect us to chose what they see is the "right side". When all we see now, is a brasen act of glorified piracy?
Even though, at this time, we will still hold our stance of neturality. this does not help with our views of the Federation. This just us more justifcation to further denounce them.
Now. the question to the Federation pilots who will read this (of all the FDU Corps) How are you going to respond when one of your own is taking a deliberate act against a corporation who is doing nothing but trying to bring prosperity to the Intaki people?
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If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I would start yelling out letters.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2010.01.27 07:22:00 -
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You'll find no support from within the FDU, Mssr. "Guardian". Your actions have spoken plainly enough to my colleagues and their combat pilots. Some of them even experienced first hand your "neutrality", among them, Lum. Gen. Val Erian.
You can expect a more thorough message to be distributed on the IGS over the next 24 hour cycle.
From: CONCORD Sent: 2010.01.27 06:56
Quote: Moira. has declared war on Intaki Liberation Front. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
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AncientGuardian
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2010.01.27 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter No one else but the ILF knew of our capture, and within minutes the State Protectorate arrived on the scene with a Rook, Vagabond, Ares, and two frigates, designed specifically to hunt down our Cynabal and Thrasher.
The speed of response, the particular fleet configuration, and their immediate course to Intaki, a dead-end and little-populated system, all point towards direct involvement between the ILF and elements of the Protectorate.
As for you, Mssr. Verus, just because you say you are publically neutral doesn't automatically ensure that you are, in fact neutral. All the facts point otherwise.
Just to give My official responce to Moira.'s claims. We dont give a Damn about a pill box in any system. We have zero desire to see either party take them, and if sombody does take them, We still don't give a damn who it is. This is what neutrality is. The only other time we would, frankly, care, is if you pirates decided to expose your specific fleet configuration to us by making an act of piracty against us. (english, attacking us for a kill mail)
To answer officlly, We did not act as spys for, we did not relay information to, and we did not expose your fleet to any parties. So, with that in mind, either, you were so sloopy with your actions that you didn't realize that, oh at that same time a Caldari Milita was moving trough. Or you have a spy in your own corp. I think its the latter.
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If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I would start yelling out letters.
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AncientGuardian
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2010.01.27 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: AncientGuardian on 27/01/2010 07:29:28
Originally by: Julianus Soter You'll find no support from within the FDU, Mssr. "Guardian". Your actions have spoken plainly enough to my colleagues and their combat pilots. Some of them even experienced first hand your "neutrality", among them, Lum. Gen. Val Erian.
You can expect a more thorough message to be distributed on the IGS over the next 24 hour cycle.
From: CONCORD Sent: 2010.01.27 06:56
Quote: Moira. has declared war on Intaki Liberation Front. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
With this in mind, I take it you speak for the entire FDU? Im sure the other FDU corps will appreciate that a terrorist corp will speak for them.
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'Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts'
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If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I would start yelling out letters.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.01.27 08:26:00 -
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Everyone saw this comming, Moira. likes to gank barges and shoot peaceful capsuleers.
Pirates will be pirates after all. |
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