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MeSo ANGRY
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Posted - 2010.01.28 12:00:00 -
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this is ond of the golden rules of EVE.
how much do you adhere to this rule?
because i find, its not so much fun when this is a single player game.
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Arsibalt d'Arcachon
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Posted - 2010.01.28 12:02:00 -
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Pretend to trust everyone, then abuse their trust and scam them.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2010.01.28 12:52:00 -
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Well, you gotta trust your corp and alliance mates. But other than that nope, I barely trust my own alts not to screw me over.
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MeSo ANGRY
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Posted - 2010.01.28 12:54:00 -
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yeah but you're banana.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.01.28 12:56:00 -
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Don't trust anyone with things you are not prepared to lose. Simple as that. --------
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.01.28 13:17:00 -
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I don't think the saying means what you think it means. You should think it more as it might be used in a system of government like a democracy. Working with others and having a working system of governing doesn't require that kind of trust. It is build on the premise that you can't trust people and that they are selfish, so they have systems in place to guard against the misuse of power/benefits.
Basicly it means that you should manage things in a way, that you don't give people access to any real assets when it isn't absolutely necessary. When it is necessary, carefully select the ones who you give access and even then assume that they will betray you too at some point, so plan accordingly.
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Cashews
Bastelrunde EV
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Posted - 2010.01.28 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Don't trust anyone with things you are not prepared to lose. Simple as that.
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Lexx Khadar
Minmatar Free Minmatar Union
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Posted - 2010.01.28 13:24:00 -
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Its not so much as trust no one. To get results from a corp there has to be an element of trust. Just don't provide the temptation for people to steal assets of yours/the corps. Such as making sure only the most trusted can get access to corp blueprints and valued corp supplies. Its much harder for people to give in to greed and betray you when you don't give them the chance to do so.
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Agent Banana
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: MeSo ANGRY yeah but you're banana.
no
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cashews
Originally by: Abrazzar Don't trust anyone with things you are not prepared to lose. Simple as that.
this.
It's not that you shouldn't trust anyone - it's just that you shouldn't trust anyone with something that you can't afford to lose. For example, don't give somebody a director position in your corp, unless you are willing to risk them robbing your corp of all assets and ISK. I personally would not give anyone a director position until they have contributed more to the corp than they can possibly take away from it. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made. |
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:05:00 -
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Trust no one but your alts.
In alts we trust. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!! |
King Rothgar
Imperial Slave Hunter Society
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:06:00 -
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Basically what's above. Trust is something that's earned and you have to weigh the likely hood that anyone you trust is going to betray you. As an example I've loaned a billion isk ship to a buddy I've flown with more than a year with no collateral. But said player has so much crap that a billion isk is pocket change so there was no real temptation to take it. I however would not loan such a ship to a buddy who's dirt poor but I've known just as long. However, I would loan such a player a 100M isk ship without any hesitation.
In any case you should never put yourself at the complete mercy of another player. But that just goes with putting all your eggs in one basket. I wouldn't throw everything I owned into a freighter flown by my alt either. Trust isn't the issue in that case, but getting suicide ganked is. -----------------------------------------------------
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Holdings Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres Well, you gotta trust your corp and alliance mates.
What the hell?
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: MeSo ANGRY
because i find, its not so much fun when this is a single player game.
Actually it's about the same either way.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Kakarotte
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:28:00 -
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See it this way. Trust them only so far you can dare for yourself.
Its like giving a stranger on the street or your best friend 1000 bucks, and hope to get them back tomorrow. When do you reach the amount where your friend is going to betray you.
The same is with Eve. For every person there is a point where they will rip you of. Some will do it for 1000 ISK some will wait for the jackpot.
Never risk more than you can affort to loose.
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:39:00 -
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your best friend in game will not betray you for 10m but prolly for 10b
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Sumelar
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:41:00 -
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I trust most of the people in my corp, and I don't talk to anyone else.
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Ervol Libra
Amarr Pinky and the Brain corp
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:45:00 -
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You should stay in high/sec NPC corporations, if you don't trust anyone logistics will become a fat *****.
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Braskyte
StarShard Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:52:00 -
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Well think about this: every person has a price, some just don't now it. Given a choice everyone will betray you, as will you betray others. It's ok to trust in people just place some boundaries of how much you trust a person. Me? I trust somewhat, so while I would lend a ship, I would never lend more then 500mil to anyone, nor would give some virtual bank my money, with really no guarantee I will get it back.
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Ivorian
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ervol Libra You should stay in high/sec NPC corporations, if you don't trust anyone logistics will become a fat *****.
Its all a question how far you trust them and with what you are involved.
Do you trust your corp this much, that you will post your credit card info on the forum? No? Why not? .
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: FunzzeR Trust no one but your alts.
In alts we trust.
Obviously you don't know my alts. They're bleeding me dry ---
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:40:00 -
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Trust noone, especially those you think you can trust. |
Herty
The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:45:00 -
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Only trust friends who are much richer then you because then they have no reason to scam you.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:47:00 -
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As this is a mulitiplayer game: For sure there are 10000¦s of ppl who won¦t rip you off. But there are 1000¦s just waiting for a chance, ruining your day. And as far as i have seen, it¦s not only the 13 year old morons, trying to steal your 5 dollars at schoolyard, it¦s the grown ups behaving like those 13 year olds.
And as you won¦t know if it¦s the trustworthy or the other one trust noone. Summing this up:
1) If someone convos you, you don¦t know, his purpose is NOT beeing your friend. 2) If your corpmate mentions he will ship your rigged and officer pimped CNR to a new location for free, do it without collateral and say goodbye to your shiny ship. 3) If someone you know (or evend don¦t) offers you 100m if you send him 50m do so - you will learn from, having 50m less in your wallet. 4) If one cries for help because he¦s stuck in a mission (know him or not) fleet up, take the CNR from above, and head for this one gate, leading to lowsec. There WON¦T be a gatecamp, i¦m sure - of course it¦s the last time you undocked your CNR.
For gods sake, there are thousands of examples. Trust NOBODY!
Wait... you can always trust ME
Fake edit: The numbers from first and second sentance may be the other way round.....
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Vherr Arkhar
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:53:00 -
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I trust my brother and some RL friends all out. After all, I know where they live :P
Other then that there are a few that I came to know over several years of eve that I'd 'trust' enough to fly with them. Not in anything I couldn't afford to lose, tho. :P
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Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar Avatars of Ore TransWarp Ventures
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Posted - 2010.01.28 16:05:00 -
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I trust everyone till they prove to me they can not be trusted. As long as I have my mission Navy Apoc and my Hulk I don't care.
There was one guy who convo me. He asked for me to invest in him. This was about 3 years ago. I gave him 20mil which was everything I had back then. I have earned 8% on that 20 mil every other month for 3 years. Even when I wasn't playing the game he still payed out. I have since invested near half bil in him.
I never would of made a profit with out taking a chance. I think honestly people need to take more chances in the game - because in the end who cares. Its only a game. Have fun.
As long as I got 1 ship to do level 4s and 1 ship to mine ore everything past that is trash to me and always has been.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.01.28 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres Well, you gotta trust your corp and alliance mates. But other than that nope, I barely trust my own alts not to screw me over.
Corp only, however you are a Banana so I will let you off.
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Osprey Arrione
Minmatar Texas Salvage
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Posted - 2010.01.28 16:15:00 -
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I convo people in the belts all the time for conversation. i would like to think that they at least would talk to me and be friendly. made many a friend while mining. I have even helped out a few of them. tis only a game. I think its more important not to risk anything you cant afford to lose.
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MeSo ANGRY
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Posted - 2010.01.28 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Duncan MacPherson
I never would of
its "would have" not "would of".
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Halet Cu
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Posted - 2010.01.28 20:07:00 -
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Look at it this way. For the most part you are dealing with total strangers. You wouldn't invite a total stranger to your home, put your wallet on the table and leave. So if you're a CEO, don't allow anyone access to the corp wallet other than yourself and keep iron control over the corp hangers. In real life there is no guarantee if you lend money to a stranger you'll get it back, so don't lend in game unless it won't affect you to lose the amount loaned or you don't require the person to pay it back. Even when you think you know someone well, beware. The destruction of BoB is proof of that. Ideally it's best to play with real life friends, but the majority don't have that option so, yeah, trust no one.
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