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Anubis Star
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:19:00 -
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Kei Darker
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:40:00 -
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Temple Priest wrote:James 315 wrote:Mouse-Fitzgerald en Cedoulain wrote:Huh. I guess let us know how things are going with the counterbumper here when you get a chance? The idea of counter-bumping is nothing new. I think I first encountered carebear counter-bumpers on day 1 or 2 of my experiment in Arvasaras. At its height, I was swarmed by a half-dozen counter-bumpers at a time. Some of the more obsessed ones would spend days buzzing around me. However, they proved to be completely ineffective. In all my time as a professional bumper, I have never met a counter-bumper who could actually prevent me from bumping miners. Not even one--and not for lack of volunteers! Partly that's due to the asymmetric nature of the mechanics involved: Mining vessels are big, lumbering beasts that are much easier to bump than the small, quick bumping ship that I fly. But the other part is simply a matter of skill. Bumping is an art, and I make it look a lot easier than it actually is. challenge accepted. edit: timetable moved up edit2: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13393766
hehehe. Interested to see the response from OP to this. |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
114
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:11:00 -
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Kei Darker wrote:Temple Priest wrote:James 315 wrote:Mouse-Fitzgerald en Cedoulain wrote:Huh. I guess let us know how things are going with the counterbumper here when you get a chance? The idea of counter-bumping is nothing new. I think I first encountered carebear counter-bumpers on day 1 or 2 of my experiment in Arvasaras. At its height, I was swarmed by a half-dozen counter-bumpers at a time. Some of the more obsessed ones would spend days buzzing around me. However, they proved to be completely ineffective. In all my time as a professional bumper, I have never met a counter-bumper who could actually prevent me from bumping miners. Not even one--and not for lack of volunteers! Partly that's due to the asymmetric nature of the mechanics involved: Mining vessels are big, lumbering beasts that are much easier to bump than the small, quick bumping ship that I fly. But the other part is simply a matter of skill. Bumping is an art, and I make it look a lot easier than it actually is. challenge accepted. edit: timetable moved up edit2: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13393766 hehehe. Interested to see the response from OP to this.
You do realize that KM is from May 17th in some random system... right? I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum. |
Temple Priest
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:46:00 -
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Your point?
All I know is a faction/t2 ishtar was popped by 2 miners, 1 orca, 1 ishtar, and Concord. I'm trying to imagine what the story leading up to that kill was. |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:55:00 -
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Was an odd setup. Smart bombs like he wanted to suicide disco but wastly too expensive fit (beginning with the T2 drones but not just that) and did all of 2k damage. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
763
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Posted - 2012.06.27 21:17:00 -
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Temple Priest, you may find its easier to counter bump the mining vessel, not James. He bumps the ship out, you bump it back. As James points out, a mining vessel is a much easier target than a small, nimble warship.
Edit: Does webbing a ship make it harder to bump that ship up to any speed? Could 2 Hulks double webbing each other essentially make 2 very hard to bump ships? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Temple Priest
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.27 23:16:00 -
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Temple Priest wrote:Your point? All I know is a faction/t2 ishtar was popped by 2 miners, 1 orca, 1 ishtar, and Concord. I'm trying to imagine what the story leading up to that kill was. now that i've had a chance to login and look at war records (thanks ccp) for corps, he was at war with the miner corp. so he probably attacked with the smarties to try to get multiple targets at once, but an interloper stuck himself in harms way, opening the door to concord and counterfire. fun. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3758
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Posted - 2012.06.28 00:23:00 -
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Temple Priest wrote: now that i've had a chance to login and look at war records (thanks ccp) for corps, he was at war with the miner corp. so he probably attacked with the smarties to try to get multiple targets at once, but an interloper stuck himself in harms way, opening the door to concord and counterfire. fun.
The smartbombs are to kill the orca's pod as soon as the orca dies, before it can warp out. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:18:00 -
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Right. The story behind that is he wanted to kill Orcas. Now, most miners are at least bright enough to scatter when their corp is wardecced, either disbanding and reforming, ceasing their mining activities, whatever. But every once in awhile he'd get one that would see that they'd been wardecced by a one man corp, and would do nothing. The point of the smartbombs is exactly as Weaselior said - that many faction smartbombs in the right order is just enough to kill a pod, if properly timed, even if the Orca pilot had attempted (fruitlessly thanks to aggro mechanics) to log his ship off to save it.
Not entirely sure how concord became involved but I would have to guess that it was an accident involving the smartbombs and that other Ishtar. . |
Temple Priest
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:54:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:The smartbombs are to kill the orca's pod as soon as the orca dies, before it can warp out.
corestwo wrote:Right. The story behind that is he wanted to kill Orcas. Now, most miners are at least bright enough to scatter when their corp is wardecced, either disbanding and reforming, ceasing their mining activities, whatever. But every once in awhile he'd get one that would see that they'd been wardecced by a one man corp, and would do nothing. The point of the smartbombs is exactly as Weaselior said - that many faction smartbombs in the right order is just enough to kill a pod, if properly timed, even if the Orca pilot had attempted (fruitlessly thanks to aggro mechanics) to log his ship off to save it.
Not entirely sure how concord became involved but I would have to guess that it was an accident involving the smartbombs and that other Ishtar. how helpful. |
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Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.28 05:02:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Right. The story behind that is he wanted to kill Orcas. Now, most miners are at least bright enough to scatter when their corp is wardecced, either disbanding and reforming, ceasing their mining activities, whatever. But every once in awhile he'd get one that would see that they'd been wardecced by a one man corp, and would do nothing. The point of the smartbombs is exactly as Weaselior said - that many faction smartbombs in the right order is just enough to kill a pod, if properly timed, even if the Orca pilot had attempted (fruitlessly thanks to aggro mechanics) to log his ship off to save it.
Not entirely sure how concord became involved but I would have to guess that it was an accident involving the smartbombs and that other Ishtar.
Cool.
I am left to wonder, in a wardec (you know, PvP some times might happen two ways) why didn't he use something less expensive or sturdier like a smart bomb battleship? I have seen many videos / killmails doing that. |
The Aggressor
Scorpius Federation Kleinrock Group
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Posted - 2012.06.28 07:04:00 -
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for anyone who wanted to know.... heres what happened with his Ishtar death.
Ok so I was flying around poinen, warped 200km off an Abandoned Mining Colony beacon and saw an Ishtar there. Warped next to them to watch the miners die when I noticed he was using smartbombs and thought it would be funny to get him concorded. So I went into the smartbombs, he went red as predicted and I shot him with the assistance of our good old friend concord. The miner was happy and gave a generous donation :) |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.06.28 09:18:00 -
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The Aggressor wrote:for anyone who wanted to know.... heres what happened with his Ishtar death.
Ok so I was flying around poinen, warped 200km off an Abandoned Mining Colony beacon and saw an Ishtar there. Warped next to them to watch the miners die when I noticed he was using smartbombs and thought it would be funny to get him concorded. So I went into the smartbombs, he went red as predicted and I shot him with the assistance of our good old friend concord. The miner was happy and gave a generous donation :)
Hehe emergent gameplay! |
Temple Priest
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.28 14:04:00 -
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The Aggressor wrote:for anyone who wanted to know.... heres what happened with his Ishtar death.
Ok so I was flying around poinen, warped 200km off an Abandoned Mining Colony beacon and saw an Ishtar there. Warped next to them to watch the miners die when I noticed he was using smartbombs and thought it would be funny to get him concorded. So I went into the smartbombs, he went red as predicted and I shot him with the assistance of our good old friend concord. The miner was happy and gave a generous donation :) delicious. i'm totally envious. |
RomeStar
Astra Research
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:53:00 -
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Honestly everytime I see a pilot stand up to james by dropping a can he tucks tail and runs to the nearest station to hide imo he is a coward Come gank me James I dare you. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1970
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:36:00 -
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Quote:Honestly everytime I see a pilot stand up to james by dropping a can he tucks tail and runs to the nearest station to hide imo he is a coward Come gank me James I dare you. RomeStar, this was already addressed in the FAQ in the post I link in the OP. I will 1v1 anyone, because I have no fear whatsoever. I am arguably the best 1v1 fighter in EVE. However they will need to prove their honour to me first by Concording themselves.
Quote:for anyone who wanted to know.... heres what happened with his Ishtar death.
Ok so I was flying around poinen, warped 200km off an Abandoned Mining Colony beacon and saw an Ishtar there. Warped next to them to watch the miners die when I noticed he was using smartbombs and thought it would be funny to get him concorded. So I went into the smartbombs, he went red as predicted and I shot him with the assistance of our good old friend concord. The miner was happy and gave a generous donation :)
Quote:Hehe emergent gameplay! :Twisted:
Quote:delicious. i'm totally envious. So now we have entered "silly season," where people are going to be throwing the kitchen sink at me because they don't approve of the way I'm handling things in the ice field. Yes, clearly the fact that I lost a ship a month and a half ago in an unrelated incident is a huge victory for the miners of Halaima.
Now let's set the record straight. It's true that my ishtar was lost in a tragic accident involving the smartbombing of a third party. It's also true that I generally played fast and loose with my smarties during the orca campaign, because smartbombs were the only way I could consistently kill pods in highsec. As it happens, I destroyed countless precious implants this way, and I believe implant losses actually account for the majority of the 50+ billion isk in damages I inflicted on the orca gangs during those months.
Yes, sometimes I made mistakes in my career, and I have lost ships. In PvP, things don't always work out. But I killed far more than I lost. I'm proud to run on my record.
I'll tell you this. I would gladly lose a hundred ishtars to smartbombing accidents if it meant destroying even one orca pilot capsule.
As it turned out, I just didn't have to. Because that's how good I am.
Having answered these questions, I intend to get back to work, working to help the people of Halaima.
Thank you. |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:20:00 -
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James 315 wrote:So now we have entered "silly season," where people are going to be throwing the kitchen sink at me because they don't approve of the way I'm handling things in the ice field. Yes, clearly the fact that I lost a ship a month and a half ago in an unrelated incident is a huge victory for the miners of Halaima.
No, that's just you forming one of your sermons.
I giggled at the guy evilly taking a shot at getting a kill "for free".
It's completely unrelated with what you do with bots or miners or whatever you believe you have a mission to kill.
I would have posted the identical giggle if you were called DonaldDuck313 and were smart bombing at Jita gate.
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Lilith Desora
Parallax Shift The Periphery
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:42:00 -
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I agree with your philosophies and would like to your newsletter. |
Temple Priest
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:46:00 -
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I could care less about miners; I kill them myself. No. What interested me was that your business model relies on the only unflaggable aggression in EVE. While I don't know what could be done about it, in terms of rules or changes to game mechanics, it did occur to me that there might be a "simple" physics solution. While I intend to try this out myself, perhaps others of you will find a use for the information or have already demonstrated it to be ineffective and can relay your experience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZkN8FNwaXI
Bump Ship ---> Miner <--- Counter Bump |
Sun Win
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:10:00 -
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Temple Priest wrote:It did occur to me that there might be a "simple" physics solution. While I intend to try this out myself, perhaps others of you will find a use for the information or have already demonstrated it to be ineffective and can relay your experience.
Bump Ship ---> Miner <--- Counter Bump
I encourage you to try this out. I can't imagine it ending well. You need to time your bump to have exactly the right force angle and timing to cancel out the bump.
Otherwise you get: Bump Ship ---> Miner ------> <----------------------------- Counter Bump (argh!)
Or................................^ Bump Ship ---> Miner / ..............................^ ...............................\ Counter Bump (argh!)
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CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
14
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:14:00 -
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Internet Spaceships Pong has a bright future.
I recommend buying stock in this venture. |
Temple Priest
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:30:00 -
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Sun Win wrote:Temple Priest wrote:It did occur to me that there might be a "simple" physics solution. While I intend to try this out myself, perhaps others of you will find a use for the information or have already demonstrated it to be ineffective and can relay your experience.
Bump Ship ---> Miner <--- Counter Bump I encourage you to try this out. I can't imagine it ending well. You need to time your bump to have exactly the right force angle and timing to cancel out the bump. Otherwise you get: Bump Ship ---> Miner ------> <----------------------------- Counter Bump (argh!) Or................................^ Bump Ship ---> Miner / ..............................^ ...............................\ Counter Bump (argh!) Also, I'd like to reserve 10 shares in the next round. I hope this business expands. As in the case of Newton's Cradle, only one object need actually be in motion.
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Sun Win
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
12
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Posted - 2012.06.29 06:27:00 -
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Temple Priest wrote:As in the case of Newton's Cradle, only one object need actually be in motion.
Newton's cradle involves precisely positioned pendulums at exact opposite ends of each other that are touching. You are dealing with 3d billiards.
That said I'd genuinely love to be proven wrong. Give your idea a shot and report back. |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
114
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Posted - 2012.06.29 11:29:00 -
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Sun Win wrote:Temple Priest wrote:As in the case of Newton's Cradle, only one object need actually be in motion.
Newton's cradle involves precisely positioned pendulums at exact opposite ends of each other that are touching. You are dealing with 3d billiards. That said I'd genuinely love to be proven wrong. Give your idea a shot and report back.
You have to realize that he is just a simple, regular, ordinary temple priest. All he has is faith to support his conclusions. I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum. |
Siestre Vitale
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.02 18:47:00 -
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i so want some of this pie..
gimme a shout if you need some new invesment ;) |
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