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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:00:00 -
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Can we at least make it through one thread about CCP censorship and the moderators program without bickering at each other? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2540
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:02:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Can we at least make it through one thread about CCP censorship and the moderators program without bickering at each other?
Given the essence of complaints about the CCL program are "because we are unable to talk rubbish about our in-game opponents" that seems rather unlikely.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Jason Auralis
Maximum Technologies
2
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:02:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Can we at least make it through one thread about CCP censorship and the moderators program without bickering at each other?
I asked people to keep their bulls in the pens. Fragile state this place is in. =\ |
captain foivos
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:17:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:I'm certainly entirely happy to defend all statements I have made in the past.
Like this these? |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1362
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:17:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Posting links at dawn? By all means if you feel it will help to win you the argument. I'm certainly entirely happy to defend all statements I have made in the past.
Please explain how we're meant to perceive:
Jade Constantine wrote:Goonswarm have whined CCP into nerfing the Inferno Wardec System because they hated the idea of ever losing even a fraction of their numerical advantage [..] Mittani was forced to beg his mates at CCP to nerf the Inferno Wardec System because Goonswarm was being effectively opposed
Since the following parts are unsubstantiated, and you have been asked repeatedly to show evidence for:
- That Goonswarm complained - That they were ever against it, even - That CCP made this change off the back of GSF/Mittens communicating with them - That your opposition in anyway mattered.
The whole pretext that "it benefits large alliances" completely falls down as reverse logic. Because, tell me, the system as it was in 1.0 .... what size entity would be best placed to deal with dogpiled aggressors, a small alliance or a large one? That it benefits large alliances is a construction entirely of your own making.
There's no logical train of thought running through any of it, except "my particular war won't work so waaaaaaaaa!" - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2540
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:19:00 -
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captain foivos wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I'm certainly entirely happy to defend all statements I have made in the past.
Like this these?
I think you'd better explain your question in more detail.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1646
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:19:00 -
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Din'stalor Alaric wrote:Morganta wrote:it is a failed experiment. you are losing more money than you are saving by continuing to let -----Edit-----
Shameful display of customer service I strongly recommend you rectify the situation before they do any more damage to your company
and I mean the forum division, I have no issues with ISDs ingame
Post edited Please file a petition if you have an issue with the moderators.
-I did, I unsubbed and named the ISD as a reason, that will go up the chain quicker than the 2 month petition line-
-I also took the liberty of stripping your sig from my post as you are not worthy of having an official signature- I took the liberty of highlighting and underlining the part of your spluge of rubbish which i found most interesting. Now, since its page 8 and no one has said it, Can i haz your stuff?
thank you, I was just noticing that nobody had done that yet, and it felt very odd, almost like I was in a totally different community
and no, you can't I need my stuff to keep the station from floating away
and Jade, go start your own thread, or do you need to hijack other threads to push your terrible tinfoilry? "You were the chosen one Anakin, you were supposed to bring order to the galaxy, not destroy it!" -Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi -á |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2540
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:25:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: Please explain how we're meant to perceive:
I said I was entirely happy to defend any statements I have made, I am not however prepared to waste my time explaining how you are meant to "perceive" something that is clearly evident.
All statements you quoted were prettty fair rhetoric given the sweeping change made to Inferno wardecs in 1.1 which have seen the defensive ally coalition mechanic nerfed into oblivion so that the largest alliances in the game can wardec the smallest for a mere 50m isk per week while a defending coalition 1/20th of the aggressor's size will be billed $300,000 dollars in ISK equiv. to escalate the war
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
captain foivos
State War Academy Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:26:00 -
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Looks like I accidentally a word there, oops.
I don't get why a spacehooker is telling me to be nicer on the forums. Especially a spacehooker that calls my friends cowardly, weak imbeciles. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2540
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:31:00 -
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captain foivos wrote:Looks like I accidentally a word there, oops.
I don't get why a spacehooker is telling me to be nicer on the forums. Especially a spacehooker that calls my friends cowardly, weak imbeciles.
Still don't really understand what you are talking about.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
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Jason Auralis
Maximum Technologies
2
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:33:00 -
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Stop arguing about your argument and get back to discussing ISD. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2540
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:35:00 -
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Jason Auralis wrote:Stop arguing about your argument and get back to discussing ISD.
I think you'll find I've done plenty of that in this thread. Read back.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
47
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:40:00 -
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Alaya Carrier wrote:
Hello,
I and a silent majority wholeheartedly support you and your heavy efforts in what is the most thankless job on the internets.
Know that you are appreciated and please don't give up. Don't listen to this garbage of humanity who sperg their nonsense all over this forum and dare to call it "freedom of speech".
Keep the good work,
One of many customers happy to see some moderation in this sea of spoiled childs ship poastings.
Silent majority? Are you serious?
Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Jason Auralis
Maximum Technologies
2
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:40:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Jason Auralis wrote:Stop arguing about your argument and get back to discussing ISD. I think you'll find I've done plenty of that in this thread. Read back.
Ok. So stop when you reach the point where your done talking about the topic. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1362
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:42:00 -
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Once more you selectively quote my post and claim the same complete nonsense, so I will instead ask the same thing again.
Since the following parts of your argument (it helps large alliances, they wanted it changed) are unsubstantiated, and you have been asked repeatedly to show evidence for, I would like responses on the following lack of logic in your statements:
- That Goonswarm complained - That they were ever against it, even - That CCP made this change off the back of GSF/Mittens communicating with them - That your opposition in anyway mattered.
Plus, I ask again, the system as it was in 1.0 .... what size entity would be best placed to deal with dogpiled aggressors, a small alliance or a large one? That it benefits large alliances is a construction entirely of your own making.
You can make all the JPEGS you want of how much it costs to have 40 bajillion 1 man corps join your war but it completely avoids the central logic of the argument, so please, if you're actually man enough, try to make a comment which isn't just rhetoric and posturing. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
435
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:46:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:While forum moderation discussions as per our forum rules not allowed on our forums, we of course allow and welcome constructive feedback and suggestions of how to improve our CCL program. Forum moderation discussion for example would be discussing why a thread was locked, why a post was edited or why some moderator performed a specific action etc. If you have questions about specific moderation actions, the only proper way for asking questions is to file a petition. Constructive feedback in general would include suggestions on how to improve the CCL in general without pointing to specific moderation actions or moderators. Our goal is to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community on our forums and we are constantly working towards this goal - even though we sometimes have to work a little harder
why not open a spam only thread where if a spam thread is made it gets moved into the spam thread...
that way if we are really bored and feel like we need to get our spam on we can do it in the correct thread? PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2540
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:53:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: Once more you selectively quote my post and claim the same complete nonsense
Well I'm hardly likely to stop selectively quoting your posts while you are claiming that a screenshot from the live server 1.1 defensive ally fee for escalation is part of a "nonsense" now am I? We need to get some consensus on the first line before its possible to continue. So tell me, do you agree that the 52nd ally in a defensive coalition (even though that coalition is still 1/20th the size of the aggressor) should cost around $300,000 dollars in ISK equivilent.
Because if we can get some agreement on we can move onto some of the rest of your points.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:53:00 -
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Luis Graca wrote:Alaya Carrier wrote:Luis Graca wrote:i don't get it If "Eve is a cold harsh universe" and this forums are a part of EVE why shouldn't "Eve forums are a cold harsh universe" Douchebaggery <> being harsh. There are ways to express a lot, in a proper way. The Goons "FW LP" thread was left intact for days despite they were smug vs CCP themselves. You don't need to have your mouth filled with abuse and trolling to look "cold and harsh". You know "in a proper way" can meant something to you and something completely different to me
I could go in any street and talk to any person with the same language I am using on the forum with no risk of being punched on my nose. I could go in a politic video strongly opposing to what they are talking without getting my microphone muted.
That's one of the many, proper ways.
Common sense. Use it. |
Prandax Xeon
Rapier Innovations
22
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:02:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:8 Stupid Arguments That Internet Debates Always Devolve Into#8. Who Has Less of a Life #7. Who Is More Mature #6. Who Can't Be Objective #5. Who Is "Bringing Politics into It" #4. Who Changed the Subject #3. Freedom of Speech #2. The Purpose of the Thread #1. Emotion Contests I think we've covered most of the bases... Anyone want to volunteer to represent #8 and #5?
You sir have no life, except to make lists. At least that's what the Democrats' said. How is a Wyvern like an Ibis?-á Neither have a drone bay!-á-á |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
490
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:02:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote: I'm not playing to your strawman, Jade.
Then why do you expect me to play into yours?
No you! Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1362
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:05:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote: I'm not playing to your strawman, Jade.
Then why do you expect me to play into yours? This is now complete lunacy.
Your position is that this helps large alliances, yet you call my question on whether you think it helps them or not a strawman argument?
Just answer the question. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1362
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:07:00 -
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Of course, we all know he can't because there's no logic to his argument which can't be completely broken by simply asking a question that relates directly to his central tenet.
Pretty bad position to be in Jade, how are you going to try to worm out of it? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1362
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:08:00 -
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You told me you would defend anything you said about it and then outright refuse to do that a page later.
What gives? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Prandax Xeon
Rapier Innovations
23
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:11:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:You told me you would defend anything you said about it and then outright refuse to do that a page later.
What gives?
Uhhh, you know you don't get more points for more posts? You are allowed to put more than 1 paragraph per post. How is a Wyvern like an Ibis?-á Neither have a drone bay!-á-á |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2540
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:13:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:What gives?
Well mainly I'm waiting for you to answer my question. Until we can get past the first line of your post there isn't much further to talk about.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
285
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:23:00 -
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poor little baby, being forced to act older than 14 years old on the forums. boohoo.. boohoo
HTFU and STFU. I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1362
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:25:00 -
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It's a strawman Jade, and a badly positioned one at that. I could do the playground thing of "I asked first" (and by the way, I don't mean today, but I have asked this consistently since your first posts on it and you have always ignored it) but I'll move on.
Your example is particular to your war, and your war under the 1.1 system, and to answer it we have to look at EVERYONES war and not just yours.
You claim the 1.1 change "is to help large alliances" and to make this statement you need to show how it benefits large alliances more than small ones. So, I will restate the question in parts.
1) Under 1.0 was a small or large alliance best placed to work with dogpiled aggressors? 2) Under 1.1 and given the cost per ally is constant for all defending corp sizes, for n defenders who is best able to deal with that size of aggressor, a large or small alliance? For n+1 who is best able to deal with that size of defending ally, a large or small alliance?
You're claiming this was to help large alliances yet the question you are refusing to answer is whether large or small alliances had it worse to begin with, which is laughably obtuse. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1362
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:28:00 -
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By the way, the answer to 1) and 2) is "large alliances"
Large alliances were largely immune to whether the defenders were 10 or 100, small alliances were not.
You keep ignoring this so I will just keep re-stating it.
Bonus question: for n+1 to whom is the +1 more of a factor, to a small alliance or a large alliance?
Oh hey look it's small alliances benefiting more again. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:31:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Balak Ragnek wrote:-1
We need more ISD members on this forum with more robust deletions and threads locked. The forums are garbage and I'm bored of having to wade through the junk and drivel spouted by so many people in order to get to the useful info.
ISD keep up the good work Some people love the EvE Online forums, it is ( was?) part of the EvE Online experience. Transforming the forums in some type "blizzard style" forum is a very bad choice, it's boring, bland and goes against the EvE Online culture.
Are you seriously saying that the only thing that makes a forum interesting is the shitposting?
Seriously?
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
492
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:32:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:It's a strawman Jade, and a badly positioned one at that. I could do the playground thing of "I asked first" (and by the way, I don't mean today, but I have asked this consistently since your first posts on it and you have always ignored it) but I'll move on.
Your example is particular to your war, and your war under the 1.1 system, and to answer it we have to look at EVERYONES war and not just yours.
You claim the 1.1 change "is to help large alliances" and to make this statement you need to show how it benefits large alliances more than small ones. So, I will restate the question in parts.
1) Under 1.0 was a small or large alliance best placed to work with dogpiled aggressors? 2) Under 1.1 and given the cost per ally is constant for all defending corp sizes, for n defenders who is best able to deal with that size of aggressor, a large or small alliance? For n+1 who is best able to deal with that size of defending ally, a large or small alliance?
You're claiming this was to help large alliances yet the question you are refusing to answer is whether large or small alliances had it worse to begin with, which is laughably obtuse.
Why, from this breakdown of things one could get the impression that Jade thinks everything revolves around him! That is heresy! Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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