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Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.26 05:52:00 -
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Paging ISD Deadtear, paging ISD Deadtear to the thread! Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
205
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Posted - 2012.06.26 05:58:00 -
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Morganta wrote:and now my post has been edited to remove my claims of how the ISD are treating players, there was no discussion of moderation and no hateful or "attacking" language
so its pretty much whatever these guys think the rules are.
I'm done, CCP can have my sub back when they apologize in writing for this horrible treatment
I think I may have to consult a specialist for the pain and distress this has caused me just curious - as I don't believe you for one moment - when does your account run out?
Can't wait to see what you count as "in writing" to justify your continued subbing.
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Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
205
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:03:00 -
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and, for what it's worth, just LOVING all this hyperbolic, "let's act like being slapped down for being children on a gaming forum is actually a civil rights issue" nonsense going on here. I think I've been seeing variants on the same thread since the mid-late 90's, it never gets old and it ALWAYS rings oh, SO true.
Quick - to the JitaStatueShootMobile! Get them lasers churning and see if we can't get The International Court of Justice on the case! |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
605
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:04:00 -
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Time for some shut eye I think. Play nice kids. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Musashi IV
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:04:00 -
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Just one more nail in the coffin for EVE. |
Jason Auralis
Maximum Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:05:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Jason Marshall wrote:
Its not that I automatically assume the volunteers aren't genuinely interested in helping. Its that I know for everyone of that type their are 100 more who just want the power. Everything you have linked regarding CCP policies I have read the devblog for (most for the second time has I read them when they were originally posted). You cannot convince me that all of the current moderators are genuine nor experienced eve players and longtime community members if all I have to go on is the last month or so of their moderation. Its just such a change from the norm. I want to get confirmation that they are following guidelines and defentions outlined by CCP. Their is no harm in posting the guidelines and definitions the volunteers have to follow. But im not convinced their are any. This thread not being locked is a case in point, the currently active mods are fine with it but Sten and that other guy from earlier would have had it locked 7 pages ago.
I can understand why you would want to have the guidelines published, but as with many things in EVE, if they were to publish them, people would abuse them and attempt to find loopholes, which in turn would just create more spam and less actual content. As for the experience and background of the ISD members, CCP state more than once that the basic requirements are just that, basic. If you honestly believe that they will hire just anyone, then perhaps you do not know them as well as you claim to. I cannot, and will not enter in to an argument as to the level of experience that each and every ISD member has, but I have enough faith in CCP to feel safe in the knowledge that the people they take on to perform these tasks are up to the job. Do not allow personal bias, infantile rhetoric from others, or a feeling of self entitlement to cloud your judgement, it serves only to make you look foolish. You do not strike me as a fool, merely someone caught up in the flood of silliness unleashed by other less informed individuals, and do not forget that some people who may appear supportive have a pre-existing axe to grind and will only be around for as long as it suits their purpose. What I guess I'm saying is don't be a sheep, follow the facts, use good judgement and you will do just fine.
"I can understand why you would want to have the guidelines published, but as with many things in EVE, if they were to publish them, people would abuse them and attempt to find loopholes, which in turn would just create more spam and less actual content. "
Its that exact reason why I dont take blind faith that volunteers are volunteering for the right reasons. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:07:00 -
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Pesky LaRue wrote:and, for what it's worth, just LOVING all this hyperbolic, "let's act like being slapped down for being children on a gaming forum is actually a civil rights issue" nonsense going on here. I think I've been seeing variants on the same thread since the mid-late 90's, it never gets old and it ALWAYS rings oh, SO true.
Quick - to the JitaStatueShootMobile! Get them lasers churning and see if we can't get The International Court of Justice on the case!
So you're saying that it was right to Lock a thread that was asking how to tuck in your shirt? |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
606
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:09:00 -
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Jason Auralis wrote: "I can understand why you would want to have the guidelines published, but as with many things in EVE, if they were to publish them, people would abuse them and attempt to find loopholes, which in turn would just create more spam and less actual content. "
Its that exact reason why I dont take blind faith that volunteers are volunteering for the right reasons.
Wait, sorry, have to respond to this before I get some sleep. You are saying you doubt the Volunteers motivations, because CCP won't tell you what guidelines ISD staff have to follow? That makes no sense, at all. And I have to sleep now. Pesky, keep an eye on them. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Jason Auralis
Maximum Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:15:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Jason Auralis wrote: "I can understand why you would want to have the guidelines published, but as with many things in EVE, if they were to publish them, people would abuse them and attempt to find loopholes, which in turn would just create more spam and less actual content. "
Its that exact reason why I dont take blind faith that volunteers are volunteering for the right reasons.
Wait, sorry, have to respond to this before I get some sleep. You are saying you doubt the Volunteers motivations, because CCP won't tell you what guidelines ISD staff have to follow? That makes no sense, at all. And I have to sleep now. Pesky, keep an eye on them.
No, I'm saying I doubt their motivations because they are eve players.
And telling us what the guidelines were would go a long ways in reassuring people that they were doing their job right because we could call them on it. The whole point of moderators is to enforce rules.
Someone trying to get around something in the guidelines based on what he or she read of the guidelines would still end up with a locked post or punishment because moderators not being mindless computers are able to read into context and can see this going on. I have faith in volunteers to be intelegent and honest enough, But this is the eve-community going to need more than what we have to go on right now. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
387
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:17:00 -
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but will it blend? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
206
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:17:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Pesky LaRue wrote:and, for what it's worth, just LOVING all this hyperbolic, "let's act like being slapped down for being children on a gaming forum is actually a civil rights issue" nonsense going on here. I think I've been seeing variants on the same thread since the mid-late 90's, it never gets old and it ALWAYS rings oh, SO true.
Quick - to the JitaStatueShootMobile! Get them lasers churning and see if we can't get The International Court of Justice on the case! So you're saying that it was right to Lock a thread that was asking how to tuck in your shirt? so:
a) that's not what happened, but nice strawman b) it's CCP's forum, so, if they don't like it, yes c) it's a frigging video game forum - if you can get THIS bent out of shape over it, you need a hobby or to volunteer, but you need SOMETHING to put this in perspective
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Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
206
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:20:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Pesky, keep an eye on them. Deal :)
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:22:00 -
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Pesky LaRue wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Pesky LaRue wrote:and, for what it's worth, just LOVING all this hyperbolic, "let's act like being slapped down for being children on a gaming forum is actually a civil rights issue" nonsense going on here. I think I've been seeing variants on the same thread since the mid-late 90's, it never gets old and it ALWAYS rings oh, SO true.
Quick - to the JitaStatueShootMobile! Get them lasers churning and see if we can't get The International Court of Justice on the case! So you're saying that it was right to Lock a thread that was asking how to tuck in your shirt? so: a) that's not what happened, but nice strawman b) it's CCP's forum, so, if they don't like it, yes c) it's a frigging video game forum - if you can get THIS bent out of shape over it, you need a hobby or to volunteer, but you need SOMETHING to put this in perspective
Actually, yeah, it is. That's why this evolved into such a storm. A thread where a Guy asked how to tuck in his shirt got locked. There was some activity on the whole issue happening around that time, but that's what sparked it into a conflagration.
I like this video game. I am not ashamed to say that I don't like the company suppressing dissent when it's going to be unhealthy for them down the road. I'd post with my Main, but I don't think I'm allowed to, no matter how red his fortified wine is. |
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
206
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:25:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Pesky LaRue wrote:and, for what it's worth, just LOVING all this hyperbolic, "let's act like being slapped down for being children on a gaming forum is actually a civil rights issue" nonsense going on here. I think I've been seeing variants on the same thread since the mid-late 90's, it never gets old and it ALWAYS rings oh, SO true.
Quick - to the JitaStatueShootMobile! Get them lasers churning and see if we can't get The International Court of Justice on the case! So you're saying that it was right to Lock a thread that was asking how to tuck in your shirt? answered above but are YOU saying that a locked thread on a gaming forum is actually worth getting THIS bent out of shape over? Is this REALLY the civil rights violation a bunch of you are trying to make it out to be?
Thought not. |
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
206
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:28:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Pesky LaRue wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Pesky LaRue wrote:and, for what it's worth, just LOVING all this hyperbolic, "let's act like being slapped down for being children on a gaming forum is actually a civil rights issue" nonsense going on here. I think I've been seeing variants on the same thread since the mid-late 90's, it never gets old and it ALWAYS rings oh, SO true.
Quick - to the JitaStatueShootMobile! Get them lasers churning and see if we can't get The International Court of Justice on the case! So you're saying that it was right to Lock a thread that was asking how to tuck in your shirt? so: a) that's not what happened, but nice strawman b) it's CCP's forum, so, if they don't like it, yes c) it's a frigging video game forum - if you can get THIS bent out of shape over it, you need a hobby or to volunteer, but you need SOMETHING to put this in perspective Actually, yeah, it is. That's why this evolved into such a storm. A thread where a Guy asked how to tuck in his shirt got locked. There was some activity on the whole issue happening around that time, but that's what sparked it into a conflagration. I like this video game. I am not ashamed to say that I don't like the company suppressing dissent when it's going to be unhealthy for them down the road. No, it isn't, that's just what people are now saying is what happened. Guessing you weren't reading today and are just going by what others are saying?
Got it.
And again, grow up a little* and get some perspective.
* not aimed at you specifically |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:29:00 -
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Pesky LaRue wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Pesky LaRue wrote:and, for what it's worth, just LOVING all this hyperbolic, "let's act like being slapped down for being children on a gaming forum is actually a civil rights issue" nonsense going on here. I think I've been seeing variants on the same thread since the mid-late 90's, it never gets old and it ALWAYS rings oh, SO true.
Quick - to the JitaStatueShootMobile! Get them lasers churning and see if we can't get The International Court of Justice on the case! So you're saying that it was right to Lock a thread that was asking how to tuck in your shirt? answered above but are YOU saying that a locked thread on a gaming forum is actually worth getting THIS bent out of shape over? Is this REALLY the civil rights violation a bunch of you are trying to make it out to be? Thought not.
Never said it was.
I said that the style of moderation is counterproductive. I'd post with my Main, but I don't think I'm allowed to, no matter how red his fortified wine is. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:31:00 -
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Pesky LaRue wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Pesky LaRue wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Pesky LaRue wrote:and, for what it's worth, just LOVING all this hyperbolic, "let's act like being slapped down for being children on a gaming forum is actually a civil rights issue" nonsense going on here. I think I've been seeing variants on the same thread since the mid-late 90's, it never gets old and it ALWAYS rings oh, SO true.
Quick - to the JitaStatueShootMobile! Get them lasers churning and see if we can't get The International Court of Justice on the case! So you're saying that it was right to Lock a thread that was asking how to tuck in your shirt? so: a) that's not what happened, but nice strawman b) it's CCP's forum, so, if they don't like it, yes c) it's a frigging video game forum - if you can get THIS bent out of shape over it, you need a hobby or to volunteer, but you need SOMETHING to put this in perspective Actually, yeah, it is. That's why this evolved into such a storm. A thread where a Guy asked how to tuck in his shirt got locked. There was some activity on the whole issue happening around that time, but that's what sparked it into a conflagration. I like this video game. I am not ashamed to say that I don't like the company suppressing dissent when it's going to be unhealthy for them down the road. No, it isn't, that's just what people are now saying is what happened. Guessing you weren't reading today and are just going by what others are saying? Got it. And again, grow up a little* and get some perspective. * not aimed at you specifically
Hint: I was here all day. But I understand that you might not recognize my name because I'm new to posting on this toon. I'd post with my Main, but I don't think I'm allowed to, no matter how red his fortified wine is. |
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
206
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:36:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Pesky LaRue wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Pesky LaRue wrote:and, for what it's worth, just LOVING all this hyperbolic, "let's act like being slapped down for being children on a gaming forum is actually a civil rights issue" nonsense going on here. I think I've been seeing variants on the same thread since the mid-late 90's, it never gets old and it ALWAYS rings oh, SO true.
Quick - to the JitaStatueShootMobile! Get them lasers churning and see if we can't get The International Court of Justice on the case! So you're saying that it was right to Lock a thread that was asking how to tuck in your shirt? answered above but are YOU saying that a locked thread on a gaming forum is actually worth getting THIS bent out of shape over? Is this REALLY the civil rights violation a bunch of you are trying to make it out to be? Thought not. Never said it was. I said that the style of moderation is counterproductive. Depends on your perspective. I have been playing MMO's since UO, I have seen dozens, possibly hundreds of these kinds of 'forum uprising' and all it ever does is upset a few highly strung/immature individuals and the game and the rest of the community carries on just fine. |
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
206
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:39:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: Hint: I was here all day. But I understand that you might not recognize my name because I'm new to posting on this toon.
aha, so you're just deliberately misinterpreting events to justify all this forum drama. Again, got it. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:42:00 -
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Pesky LaRue wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: Hint: I was here all day. But I understand that you might not recognize my name because I'm new to posting on this toon.
aha, so you're just deliberately misinterpreting events to justify all this forum drama. Again, got it.
There were some seriously overreaching acts made by certain ISDs. Some people got Huffed. The ISDs got even more huffed and stopped checking their work. Forum exploded. I'd post with my Main, but I don't think I'm allowed to, no matter how red his fortified wine is. |
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Dalmont Delantee
The Black Legionnares SpaceMonkey's Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:53:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Dalmont Delantee wrote:Posting in a WAA WAA thread because someone is actually stopping stupid trolls and morons from filling up general discussion with the same threads....
Though the isd thakept on referred people to a thread they had closed rather than the official whine thread was funny :P wow 4 TOS violations in a single post better be careful of what you wish for citizen
And look no edit etc..
This is not incarnagate, this is I don't like following forum rule whine thread.
General discussion usually gets me peed off and wanting to hunt down and kill the trolls (in game of course, but as they are all alts you never see them) but now I can read gd and not get stabby stabby in my head.
Please whine more I love thr tears :-p |
Majuan Shuo
SKULLDOGS
36
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Posted - 2012.06.26 07:08:00 -
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signed.
please remove particular power-drunk mouth breathers from any positions of influence.
neck beards and authority do not mix. "I believe the Winter expansion needs to be a huge success, and so they are giving us ice cream, and cake, and ice cream cake, and pizza, and hookers, and blow, and pizza. Any and everything they think players want and they can do by winter, they will stuff into this expansion." |
San Severina
Hoplite Brigade
10
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Posted - 2012.06.26 07:12:00 -
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+1 |
MinefieldS
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.06.26 07:14:00 -
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Does the acronym "ISD" have any relationship to Bill Clinton, I wonder.... |
San Severina
Hoplite Brigade
10
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Posted - 2012.06.26 07:15:00 -
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Majuan Shuo wrote:signed.
please remove particular power-drunk mouth breathers from any positions of influence.
neck beards and authority do not mix.
you're mixing your derogatory stereotypes.
power drunk mouth breathers are the problem.
I'd suggest that Neckbeards would probably do a much much better job.
You have no idea what a Neckbeard actually is, do you?
Google 'RMS' |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
308
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Posted - 2012.06.26 07:19:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Pesky LaRue wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: Hint: I was here all day. But I understand that you might not recognize my name because I'm new to posting on this toon.
aha, so you're just deliberately misinterpreting events to justify all this forum drama. Again, got it. There were some seriously overreaching acts made by certain ISDs. Some people got Huffed. The ISDs got even more huffed and stopped checking their work. Forum exploded. I have been lurking for about the last 11 hours (slow day at work). That's basically how it went down.
An ISD made a couple of howlers and instead of taking a breath ploughed on foolishly.
Forum melt. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Ghost Xray
Hedion University Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2012.06.26 07:32:00 -
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Morganta wrote:it is a failed experiment. you are losing more money than you are saving by continuing to let -----Edit-----
Shameful display of customer service I strongly recommend you rectify the situation before they do any more damage to your company
and I mean the forum division, I have no issues with ISDs ingame
Post edited Please file a petition if you have an issue with the moderators.
-I did, I unsubbed and named the ISD as a reason, that will go up the chain quicker than the 2 month petition line-
-I also took the liberty of stripping your sig from my post as you are not worthy of having an official signature-
As a member of the community, let me just say that your opinion means a whole lot to us. I know you have a choice in **** poasting, and I appreciate your choosing EvE-O to do it in. Please exercise caution when standing up, as the contents of your of your head may shifted and have definitely been damaged.
Oh, and while some jest that the forums is where the game is, you seem to think it actually does exist here. LONG LIVE THE FORUM WARRIORS!!! |
Sirinda
Aliastra Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.06.26 07:37:00 -
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Free speech? In my Eve? **** or GTFO! |
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ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
30
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Posted - 2012.06.26 07:38:00 -
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Greetings, IGÇÖm Athechu a Commander (Assistant Team Lead) of ISD:STAR (In-game ISD). I am currently also helping out the ISD:CCL with the forums but I focus mainly on the EVE New Citizens Q&A section of the forums.
First please visit the ISD Wiki page and understand the differences of the teams. It will explain a lot more of what the teams within the ISD do. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISD
Reading through this thread and watching I see that that both sides have made mistakes. Posters that delibertly started to create spam/troll/argue threads in the forum and ISD members for not explaining which rules have been broken. Now the focus has been shifted to the ISD as being some kind of supreme evil overlords. We are players of the same game as you and we enjoy it like you. The difference is that we have decided to contribute our time to the community that makes EVE so great.
CCPGÇÖs Internal Affairs team watches over not only the ISD accounts but our player account(s) as well. If an individual of the ISD is found abusing their volunteer position CCP will take the appropriate actions. No ISD team has the ability to ban anyone from any server, or forum. But just like you we do have the ability to report problems to the appropriate people using the same methods. CCP internal teams handle all of that. If you have a reasonable suspicion that an ISD member is abusing his/her position in some way in the game, you can contact Internal Affairs directly by sending an e-mail to [email protected] or file a petition using the methods below (only choose one method).
In game: Press F12, click create new petition, Group: Rules and Policies, Category: Game Masters & ISD
Out of game: https://support.eveonline.com/Pages/Petitions/CreatePetition.aspx
Please remember to include forum links and a name of who you are reporting. This helps in insuring a timely investigation.
Fly safe! ISD Athechu Commander ISD STAR (Support Training and Resources) EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources |
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Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 07:40:00 -
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