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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
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Posted - 2012.07.02 17:09:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I think this thread has pretty much come to a shuddering halt now. It's all a matter of waiting and seeing if there's improvement. There isn't. We've gone 17 pages and what was your last comment about? Shirts. We have gone 17 pages to precisely no-where. Oh by all means have this thread locked. That would solve all the problems. Honestly a much bigger part of this thread than discussion of shirts, has been two people trying to overwhelm and dismiss as irrelevant the concerns of many others. While I am interested in valid discussion and your counterpoints, I find your attempts to squelch the conversation transparent and counterproductive.
I suggest you re-examine what I said carefully. I am not trying to have the thread locked, nor am I attempting to squelch the conversation. I am merely pointing out that at the moment the conversation seems to have gotten stuck in a loop, thus it is not progressing, thus it is not really a discussion but merely a cyclical argument.
And as far as I can tell, and I have been keeping a very close eye on this thread as well as participating, no-one is trying to dismiss peoples concerns, it is just that now that we know what peoples concerns are, there is no need to constantly repeat them.
What we need is to draw up a concise list of issues that CCP and the ISD can assess and address, something we have so far failed to do because too many people are content with said cyclical argument. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
949
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Posted - 2012.07.02 18:27:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:What we need is to draw up a concise list of issues that CCP and the ISD can assess and address, something we have so far failed to do because too many people are content with said cyclical argument. Pretty much why I tried to limit my posting after a while. Even though I had things to say, they really wouldn't help the bigger issue. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3341
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:12:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: There's only one issue here that needs to be addressed - Certain specific players have been willfully and blatantly disregarding the Forum Rules. They were held accountable for their actions and now after inciting forum rage, are trying to dictate how the forum rules should be interpreted as well as gain some sort of control over moderation.
While that may be some posters agenda, I submit that its not the only thing that needs to be addressed. I don't believe I have ever been moderated, or held accountable for any misdeeds here on the forums. Overzealous moderation of other's posts has, however, has adversely affected me here. The usefulness of the forums to discuss important issues has been curtailed by premature closing of threads, deleting and snipping posts that, IMHO, didn't deserve to be snipped. If it continues, it may drive serious discussion off of these forums. I am not trying to pull CCL down or get anyone punished for the recent events, but there would seem to be room for improvement. I'm sorry but your statements seem to be conflicting and or uninformed. Either you're a naive new player or an alt of a banned character.
If players want a serious discussion about a specific aspect of Eve, they go to it's specific sub forum. Want some info about Agents or Exploration, go to Missions & Complexes sub-forum. Got questions about Trade, go to Market sub-forum. etc. Most of the people who frequent those sub-forums won't tolerate trolling and usually report it when it happens.
However, General Discussion has over the years turned into nothing more than a Mosh-Pit of hate and rage due to players not abiding by the forum rules. That has definitely driven away serious discussions. This sub-forum has been dubbed Troll Central for good reason. Ask various players in-game if they participate in the forums and most will say no. When asked why, they usually say because of the constant trolling.
First you say overzealous moderation has adversely affected you, that the usefulness of the forums to discuss serious topics has been curtailed by premature closing of threads, deleting and sniping posts that don't deserve it. Then you say you don't want to pull CCL down or punish anyone yet in another posted reply the very first thing you suggest is for CCP to consider giving someone their walking papers..
I'm sorry but this sounds like an alt of a banned character trying to silence or discredit those with opposing viewpoint..
Quote:Honestly a much bigger part of this thread than discussion of shirts, has been two people trying to overwhelm and dismiss as irrelevant the concerns of many others. Concerns of many others?
If there really was a major issue, this thread would have already become a mega thread-naught by now.
I gotta say in my 4 years of being an active member on these forums, this thread takes the cake. 1/2 dozen characters trying to force CCP into making concessions as to how the Forum Rules should be interpreted and how moderation should be conducted. Looking to gain control or extract revenge by constantly posting very debatable and easily dismissed fail examples of 'Unjustified Moderation'.
I came to this thread and posted my viewpoint to CCP, ISD and CCL which was immediately attacked by other players. I don't want to stay in this thread so now I ask everyone, please stop directing replies towards me so I can stay away from this thread.
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None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2012.07.02 21:29:00 -
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Sorry for replying in spite your request not to, but it's hard to avoid when you assert a bunch of things and try to leave it as a last word.
Feel free not to respond.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:None ofthe Above wrote: I don't believe I have ever been moderated, or held accountable for any misdeeds here on the forums.
Overzealous moderation of other's posts has, however, has adversely affected me here. The usefulness of the forums to discuss important issues has been curtailed by premature closing of threads, deleting and snipping posts that, IMHO, didn't deserve to be snipped.
If it continues, it may drive serious discussion off of these forums.
I am not trying to pull CCL down or get anyone punished for the recent events, but there would seem to be room for improvement.
I'm sorry but your statements seem to be conflicting and or uninformed. Either you're a naive new player or an alt of a banned character. If players want a serious discussion about a specific aspect of Eve, they go to it's specific sub forum. Want some info about Agents or Exploration, go to Missions & Complexes sub-forum. Got questions about Trade, go to Market sub-forum. etc. Most of the people who frequent those sub-forums won't tolerate trolling and usually report it when it happens. However, General Discussion has over the years turned into nothing more than a Mosh-Pit of hate and rage due to players not abiding by the forum rules. That has definitely driven away serious discussions. This sub-forum has been dubbed Troll Central for good reason. Ask various players in-game if they participate in the forums and most will say no. When asked why, they usually say because of the constant trolling. First you say overzealous moderation has adversely affected you, that the usefulness of the forums to discuss serious topics has been curtailed by premature closing of threads, deleting and sniping posts that don't deserve it. Then you say you don't want to pull CCL down or punish anyone yet in another posted reply the very first thing you suggest is for CCP to consider giving someone their walking papers.. I'm sorry but this sounds like an alt of a banned character trying to silence or discredit those with opposing viewpoint..
Well I've never been banned on any account. My age is a matter of record in my aborted CSM candidacy thread. Yes I am less than a year "old" still, although rapidly coming up on that anniversary. A rookie in the classic sense of things, if that helps you dismiss me. I don't think of my self as naive however. The naive never do I suppose.
My goal then as it is now is to help foster better communication. That's my agenda, as it were.
Not sure why you are trying to recast this to just EVE General. I was referring to the whole of the forums.
As for giving someone the "walking papers", I simply suggested that its a hard job and some people may not be suited to it. This is speaking as community forums moderator myself for many years. Please don't let that tickle your paranoia, what you are afraid of is not my intention.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Quote:Honestly a much bigger part of this thread than discussion of shirts, has been two people trying to overwhelm and dismiss as irrelevant the concerns of many others. Concerns of many others? If there really was a major issue, this thread would have already become a mega thread-naught by now. I gotta say in my 4 years of being an active member on these forums, this thread takes the cake. 1/2 dozen characters trying to force CCP into making concessions as to how the Forum Rules should be interpreted and how moderation should be conducted. Looking to gain control or extract revenge by constantly posting very debatable and easily dismissed fail examples of 'Unjustified Moderation'.
I see people commenting in frustration of moderation all over, not just here. Twitter, other forums, in game. I think the recent "crisis" and people posting all over these boards are sufficient evidence of that. Just because this thread is only a minor "threadnaught" 17 pages instead of hundreds? Doesn't mean there isn't an issue here.
Its good that CCL has two die-hard fans though, I am sure you and Cutter are much appreciated.
DeMichael Crimson wrote: I came to this thread and posted my viewpoint to CCP, ISD and CCL which was immediately attacked by other players. I don't want to stay in this thread so now I ask everyone, please stop directing replies towards me so I can stay away from this thread.
Perhaps they were offended by your posts? You are dismissive here as you were earlier. It's actually rather insulting. I try to keep polite in spite that. Others may not have.
Anyway I'll let you go as you want to leave this thread.
Fly safe!
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Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.07.03 00:52:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:
There isn't. We've gone 17 pages and what was your last comment about? Shirts. We have gone 17 pages to precisely no-where.
If CLL wants further input here is I suggest cleaning up the thread and subsummizing the best poster statements in a Q & A style at the beginning of the thread (as noneone wants to read 17 pages before posting here). NoisyGamer articel in eve news show what i mean
Nosy Gamer: Interview with CCP Sreegs GÇô The $175,000 Faction Warfare Exploit
NoisyGamer wrote:
As is his custom after publishing dev blogs CCP Sreegs hung around and answered questions on the Eve Online forums. Since a lot of people refuse (for very good reasons) to visit the official forums, I have extracted the best of the questions and answers from the first few hours of the thread. Having put this together, I think it reads like a press conference. Hopefully this will give some greater insight into CCPGÇÖs response. Enjoy!
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Daltzi
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.07.03 06:15:00 -
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After selling Multiple characters numerous time on a single thread with each character for sale, stating that he or she is for sale Ive just run into an ISD commenting on my thread. I am sure that they are just trying to do what they think is right but i am kind of flustered as to how all of a sudden after 3 years selling multiple characters with no issues popping up the new ISD influx is in my opinion "trying to hard" I reiterate i am not one to complain that much but I do try to avoid straying off the beaten path & do my best NOT to break rules
example #1 On 2 Nyx sitters I have currently on market Linked here Soley for Example
Nyx sitter 1 has made the for sale thread and immediately afterwards in the 2nd post Nyx sitter #2 Confirms he is for sale as well, I am sure that if each individual character up for sale confirms that he or she is for sale that is conforming to the rules,
example #2
If that is frowned upon I'm sure that the other People that pay FOR THIS GAME WITH REAL MONEY will have to resort to making multiple threads for every single character they are putting up for sale, I am almost certain that most other pod pilots DO NOT want to see multiple threads up for every single character taking up an entire page or 2 on the character bazaar as there are 30 threads per page
Yes there are those of us that make our isk training up Multiple characters for sale, I myself have 10 accounts active while a few are not active
CCP please give Us your PAYING CUSTOMERS the option to to sell multiple characters on a single thread As long as every single character for sale CONFIRMS he or she is for sale as well?
I like this game and I am sure that i am Not the only one thinking about the potential hassle selling multiple characters taking up a page or 2 can do PLEASE DON'T KICK SAND in the eyes of your Loyal Paying customers
CCP please give Us your PAYING CUSTOMERS the option to to sell multiple characters on a single thread As long as every single character for sale CONFIRMS he or she is for sale as well?
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
123
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Posted - 2012.07.03 08:15:00 -
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No promises here, but i will discuss this with them Daltzi. ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2012.07.03 13:55:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:No promises here, but i will discuss this with them Daltzi.
Okay.... I give up. A little moderation of the moderation? CCP & CCL please reply to: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1552432#post1552432
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Armtoe
DOUBLE IDENTITY Fatal Ascension
177
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Posted - 2012.07.03 15:50:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Rer Eirikr wrote:Oh hey look, we're having a discourse about the ISD and forum moderation. Was that so hard? Having forum moderation is great, it streamlines discussion and gets rid of (most) of the badposting/spam. However, the line between moderation and outright censorship is a dangerous one, and sometimes I've seen sincerely legitimate threads, with actual discussion about EVE, be locked for rather odd reasons. One of the most prominent is seeing word "Jew" edited out,even if the word isn't being used in a negative connotation or with any hatred/anger behind it. If this is offensive to some, or against CCP's forum rules, then so be it, but things like this need to be clearly defined for all parties, and defined in a way that doesn't just seem robotic. (IE: Thread Locked, Generic Reason, Don't Try Contacting Me) Ok, here is what I will say about the use of 'Jewgold', Jewing' and other terms of that nature. They don't add anything of value to a discussion. The very terminology is offensive to many and completely unnecessary. There are many of our players who are Jewish and they should not be subjected to phrasing which makes them and others feel uncomfortable.
Finally! Its good to see CCP stand up for civility and decency on their forums. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:02:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I think this thread has pretty much come to a shuddering halt now. It's all a matter of waiting and seeing if there's improvement. There isn't. We've gone 17 pages and what was your last comment about? Shirts. We have gone 17 pages to precisely no-where. Oh by all means have this thread locked. That would solve all the problems. Honestly a much bigger part of this thread than discussion of shirts, has been two people trying to overwhelm and dismiss as irrelevant the concerns of many others. While I am interested in valid discussion and your counterpoints, I find your attempts to squelch the conversation transparent and counterproductive. I suggest you re-examine what I said carefully. I am not trying to have the thread locked, nor am I attempting to squelch the conversation. I am merely pointing out that at the moment the conversation seems to have gotten stuck in a loop, thus it is not progressing, thus it is not really a discussion but merely a cyclical argument. And as far as I can tell, and I have been keeping a very close eye on this thread as well as participating, no-one is trying to dismiss peoples concerns, it is just that now that we know what peoples concerns are, there is no need to constantly repeat them. What we need is to draw up a concise list of issues that CCP and the ISD can assess and address, something we have so far failed to do because too many people are content with said cyclical argument.
That's where all discussions (bar a few) on the forums end up, in circles. You say no one is dismissing peeps concerns but last time I looked you where ignoring mine and others as empty rants at CCP (even though it was those actions that started this thread)
This thread need to stay as a continuing dialogue with ISD anyway's.
I also think ISD have already changed tack, lot less locking going on, threads I would have expected to be locked arn't.
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
744
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:14:00 -
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Rats wrote:
That's where all discussions (bar a few) on the forums end up, in circles. You say no one is dismissing peeps concerns but last time I looked you where ignoring mine and others as empty rants at CCP (even though it was those actions that started this thread)
This thread need to stay as a continuing dialogue with ISD anyway's.
I also think ISD have already changed tack, lot less locking going on, threads I would have expected to be locked arn't.
Tal
I have ignored no-one, in fact I have been paying close attention to those people who are making suggestions for changes. The people I tend to end up dismissing are those who just keep reiterating what the initial problem was. If you care to take a look at some of my other posts elsewhere on the forums, you would see that I had actually held Ruby up as an example of someone who had gone from empty ranting, to contributing.
You may also note the suggestion I made in that post of mine you quoted, where I pointed out that what we need people to do now is make a distinct list of their grievances along with possible changes to address those grievances. How can you or anyone else expect CCP or the ISD to comment in here, when there is still nothing concrete for them to work from? Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:31:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Rats wrote:
That's where all discussions (bar a few) on the forums end up, in circles. You say no one is dismissing peeps concerns but last time I looked you where ignoring mine and others as empty rants at CCP (even though it was those actions that started this thread)
This thread need to stay as a continuing dialogue with ISD anyway's.
I also think ISD have already changed tack, lot less locking going on, threads I would have expected to be locked arn't.
Tal
I have ignored no-one, in fact I have been paying close attention to those people who are making suggestions for changes. The people I tend to end up dismissing are those who just keep reiterating what the initial problem was. If you care to take a look at some of my other posts elsewhere on the forums, you would see that I had actually held Ruby up as an example of someone who had gone from empty ranting, to contributing. You may also note the suggestion I made in that post of mine you quoted, where I pointed out that what we need people to do now is make a distinct list of their grievances along with possible changes to address those grievances. How can you or anyone else expect CCP or the ISD to comment in here, when there is still nothing concrete for them to work from?
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
744
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:35:00 -
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Did your browser just eat your post? Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:40:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Did your browser just eat your post?
It does often grrrrr
Tal
p.s its bottom of previous page. -áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:42:00 -
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Rats wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Did your browser just eat your post? It does often grrrrr Tal
Google Chrome by any chance? Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:43:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Rats wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Did your browser just eat your post? It does often grrrrr Tal Google Chrome by any chance?
Yep
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
744
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:48:00 -
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Rats wrote:
As I mentioned they have already changed there habits (in my opinion)
I don't believe they need a long list from the player base, 3 words "common sense" and "communication" that's it, that's all they need.
It looks like common sense is already being applied and communication has been addressed with this thread.
Tal
P.S You can complain about an issue without supplying a fix, that's their job. Doesn't mean the complaint isn't valid.
Ah I see you retrieved it, good.
Yes, you may be right, maybe the staff have changed their habits, or maybe its just that less people are trashing the forums left right and centre and are now posting in just a few places, meaning less obvious instances of moderation? Though I do agree, things on both sides appear to be changing.
As for the list, if a customer has a complaint and wishes it solved, they must first be prepared to list those complaints in a well organised fashion, and as for adding suggestions for fixes well, that seems to be the attitude amongst most people who invest time and money in to something. They like to feel a part of things, and suggesting possible fixes is a part of that. Wouldn't you agree?
After all, we are supposed to be a community, that's what everyone keeps repeating in their complaints right? We are a community, respect the community, listen to the community? What sort of a community doesn't try to help fix itself if they think something is broken? Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.07.04 00:30:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Hmmm, I will pass this on to the right people first thing in the morning.
Apologies for this, but do you have any news relating to this? |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.07.04 11:46:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:in da dmc zone, spam report button enough and a few will hit. Don't know what your problem is but you've been stalking me in quite a few different threads. Seems you're bound and determined to dance the tango with me.
You realize you broke forums rule here, right?
There is no worse self-righteousness than that of moral hypocrite who exclaims and calls for the rules, and is unable to follow them himself. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Mallak Azaria
272
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Posted - 2012.07.04 14:49:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:in da dmc zone, spam report button enough and a few will hit. Don't know what your problem is but you've been stalking me in quite a few different threads. Seems you're bound and determined to dance the tango with me. You realize you broke forums rule here, right?
I really wouldn't bother trying to mention it to him. We've already discovered that he suffers from a very extreme case of the Backfire Effect. |
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:45:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:in da dmc zone, spam report button enough and a few will hit. Don't know what your problem is but you've been stalking me in quite a few different threads. Seems you're bound and determined to dance the tango with me. You realize you broke forums rule here, right? I really wouldn't bother trying to mention it to him. We've already discovered that he suffers from a very extreme case of the Backfire Effect.
What worries me is that his continued and repeated violations of the rules are:
1) Always accompanied with a clamor for the enforcement of rules.
2) Supported by CCP employees.
In effect, his continued presence without the enforcement of the rules essentially means that CCP's position is that people can violate forum rules repeatedly as long as they do so in expressing positions sympathetic to CCP employees. Someone needs to officially tell him I have raised him and his behavior twice in petitions with no apparent action or even acknowledgement from CCP.
It is a case in point of the "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" issue.
On another note, I actually have seen an improvement on the moderation decisions and style of even the worse offenders. This is a good thing.
So one good and one bad. C'est la vie. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
949
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:13:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:...
It is a case in point of the "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" issue. ... C'est la vie. Only English on these forums.
I too have noticed an improvement, especially with the more descriptive statements when a post is edited. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
77
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:43:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:...
It is a case in point of the "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" issue. ... C'est la vie. Only English on these forums. I too have noticed an improvement, especially with the more descriptive statements when a post is edited.
Indeed. I even gave a like to the ISD I was hating on before, because, well, he did it right. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
ShipToaster
169
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:46:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1580771#post1580771
Time for ISD to gtf and this sums it up for me. Begin |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
240
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:07:00 -
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ShipToaster wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1580771#post1580771
Time for ISD to gtf and this sums it up for me.
They shot Grandpa Bill! -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
950
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:12:00 -
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To be fair, the post was off topic.
In character, but still off topic. Next time, he should try to include an on topic message in his awesome character posting. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
240
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:15:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:To be fair, the post was off topic.
In character, but still off topic. Next time, he should try to include an on topic message in his awesome character posting.
Isn't crossposting against the rules too? -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
951
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:18:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:To be fair, the post was off topic.
In character, but still off topic. Next time, he should try to include an on topic message in his awesome character posting. Isn't crossposting against the rules too?
I'm not perfect. |
Yonis Kador
Transstellar Alchemy
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:55:00 -
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Every post Granpa Bill has ever posted is off topic. I guess that's my biggest issue with this cowboy diplomacy. If the rules are indeterminant, then there will always inconsistent enforcement and the potential for bias. If you're unlucky enough to walk into the CCL line of fire, too bad. Sorry Bill.
There are so many negative influences in these forums and what are the CCLs worried about? A harmless troll who entertains consistently.
But who needs player-generated content on the forums? We've got rules. So I'd suggest you guys delete every post Grandpa Bill posts from now on. They'll all be off topic.
Yee-haw! You got a nudder un Tyrozan!
Mount it on da hood!
YK "He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day." |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
88
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Posted - 2012.07.05 21:57:00 -
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Yonis Kador wrote:Every post Granpa Bill has ever posted is off topic. I guess that's my biggest issue with this cowboy diplomacy. If the rules are indeterminant, then there will always inconsistent enforcement and the potential for bias. If you're unlucky enough to walk into the CCL line of fire, too bad. Sorry Bill.
There are so many negative influences in these forums and what are the CCLs worried about? A harmless troll who entertains consistently.
But who needs player-generated content on the forums? We've got rules. So I'd suggest you guys delete every post Grandpa Bill posts from now on. They'll all be off topic.
Yee-haw! You got a nudder un Tyrozan!
Mount it on da hood!
YK
Yeah, this is what CCP doesn't seem to get when it got defensive with "we cannot enforce everything" - ok, fair enough, but when you enforce, don't mess with Gramps.
Also, going off topic in an unofficial GD thread should be less harmful (therefore, less enforced) than in other topic areas. I can understand strict enforcement in Features and Ideas, but in GD?
Its all about nuance and not being bulls in china shops. Even the most hardnosed cop will let you off the hook if you are funny enough. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
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