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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.07.15 21:56:00 -
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Hello everyone!!
Just thought I would take a moment to introduce myself to you all, I'm Type40 and I am a member of the CCL. I've been a part of the EVE community for a little over 6 years and have tried pretty much everything that EVE has to offer, from high sec mission running to zooming round in null sec chasing down enemy fleets, even after all this time I still find myself learning new things.
Over the years EVE and its community has become a big part of my life, I have given a lot to it, and received even more in return. I have played a handful of other MMO's, some I have even taken a small break from EVE to play, but I always find myself coming back here and it feels like coming home. I have a great deal of affection for this game and everyone in it, that is why I applied to the CCL, so that I might have a chance to give back to a community that has given me so much.
I will be doing the best that I can for everyone, so hopefully you will be patient with me as I find my feet, and in return I promise to work hard for all of you. Thanks for reading this and I'll see you out there in forum land, post safe!
Type40 ISD Type40 Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Quaaid
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.07.16 14:21:00 -
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ISD TYPE40 wrote:Hello everyone!!
-- snip --
Type40
^ I got you first. Tag, you're it! |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.07.16 15:01:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
Ah, the Ostrich method of detecting wrongdoing.
It seems the only person trying to start something here is you. The rest of us here (CCP included) recognize that the ISD team made mistakes. Because of that recognition, they can improve their behavior, and it looks a lot like they're working on improving their behavior.
Yelling that they didn't need to change in the first place isn't constructive at this point. But hey, Authority is always right, huh.
lol, you say I'm doing the Ostrich method of detecting wrongdoing? Quite frankly, there's only been a couple rare occurrences of mistakes made by the CCL presented in this thread by a very small group of players. Seems the one here trying to start something is you acting like Chicken Little running around yelling "The Sky Is Falling", constantly trying to incite others to join in the crusade, claiming there's been a multitude of unjustified acts of moderation committed.
No This thread is hear due to player actions caused by ISD moderation. CCP has apologised, so why are you ignoring those facts rather than arguing already moot points ?
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Mallak Azaria
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Posted - 2012.07.19 14:56:00 -
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Rats wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
Ah, the Ostrich method of detecting wrongdoing.
It seems the only person trying to start something here is you. The rest of us here (CCP included) recognize that the ISD team made mistakes. Because of that recognition, they can improve their behavior, and it looks a lot like they're working on improving their behavior.
Yelling that they didn't need to change in the first place isn't constructive at this point. But hey, Authority is always right, huh.
lol, you say I'm doing the Ostrich method of detecting wrongdoing? Quite frankly, there's only been a couple rare occurrences of mistakes made by the CCL presented in this thread by a very small group of players. Seems the one here trying to start something is you acting like Chicken Little running around yelling "The Sky Is Falling", constantly trying to incite others to join in the crusade, claiming there's been a multitude of unjustified acts of moderation committed. No This thread is here due to player actions caused by ISD moderation. CCP has apologised, so why are you ignoring those facts rather than arguing already moot points ? Tal
I would like to add at this time that ISD still have a long way to go. If you're going to edit a persons post for personal attacks, you should probably edit the posts by other people that also have the exact same personal attacks.
Picking on one person is mean & not very nice. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.22 04:18:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=135514&find=unread
Dear ISD Type40,
How in the world is that thread Trolling? At worst, it's good advice (I know how much that anger's me). A guide to escaping the cycle of "I need more stuff before..." is something that a lot of players would find useful if they were willing to read it.
Looking further into the OP, I know how much people working together angers me, but I don't see how suggesting something as radical as people being rewarded for doing so is trolling.
I know I love it when my enemies/targets don't know basic game mechanics, and it annoys me when they learn to play better, but I don't think that suggesting that people learn about game mechanics is trolling.
I know how I like it when people I kill are on their last ISK, and it's disappointing when someone only flies what they actually can afford to lose, but I don't think that suggesting caution is trolling.
I know I love telling people that the mechanics they use every day are bad when I have no earthly idea how they work, and it's upsetting to me when someone points out the fact that I know nothing about the subject, but I don't think that suggesting a basic familiarity be a prerequisite for discussing a topic is trolling. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.07.22 04:44:00 -
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I'm a little confused on that one myself. It didn't seem any more trollish than the usual on GD. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
460
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Posted - 2012.07.22 07:46:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1672671#post1672671
Thanks ISD DB (I'm sorry, your name is just a nightmare to try and spell). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1091
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Posted - 2012.07.22 16:52:00 -
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I do hope Type40 continues working. He did well up till then, and one mistake should not be the end of it.
I also found him rather funny in the terrible threads a day or so ago. |
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.07.22 16:54:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:I do hope Type40 continues working. He did well up till then, and one mistake should not be the end of it.
I also found him rather funny in the terrible threads a day or so ago.
He will continue, im sure ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
461
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Posted - 2012.07.22 18:44:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:I do hope Type40 continues working. He did well up till then, and one mistake should not be the end of it.
I also found him rather funny in the terrible threads a day or so ago.
Wouldn't the best punishment be forcing him to try and herd angry cats? Oh, wait...
I think at this point, so long as the ISD team continues to fix mistakes that they make and learn from them, I, for one, won't be calling for anyone's head. The perfect moderation team has finesse, learns from their mistakes, and is willing to fix their mistakes. 2 out of 3 ain't bad, and I'm seeing signs of finesse starting to show up. Keep up the good work.
I'd still like to hear what CCP's vision for the tone of the forums is, why they want to change the tone of the forums, and how they plan on changing it. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.07.22 21:58:00 -
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Hello there, pardon my blushes.
First of all I'd like to thank Pipa and Corina and offer my apologies to the OP of the thread involved.
Your understanding is a great help, knowing that I can make an honest mistake and not have it be the end of my time at the ISD is a great comfort. In my haste to do good, I ended up doing the wrong thing, thankfully I am part of a great team of people who look out for one another as well as everyone who uses these forums.The learning curve for being an ISD member is quite steep, at least in the beginning, so to know that I have the support of my co-workers as well as the forum users, helps to level off that curve to a manageable level.
Being a part of the EVE community in the way I am now has been a dream of mine for a very long time, and my personal goal is to help everyone involved, both players and staff alike, make these forums a place where everyone can express their views, dreams and hopes. In my rush to achieve this I made a mistake, one which I intend to learn from as best I can. In future I will do my best to make sure something like this doesn't happen again
PS. Corina, thanks for the comment about my funnies, that cheered me up, and Pipa, herding cats is a cruel task to give someone, but It's probably easier than herding angry EVE players (I should know, I've been one)
And to Dorrim, thanks for the help
ISD Type40 Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Lord Zim
1087
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Posted - 2012.07.22 22:01:00 -
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Herding cats is easy, just wave some tuna or some sort of fish around and you'll have no problems getting them to follow you. |
Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.07.22 22:14:00 -
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ISD TYPE40 wrote:The learning curve for being an ISD member is quite steep, at least in the beginning
Kind of like the rest of EVE
Quote:Pipa, herding cats is a cruel task to give someone
Well, you did volunteer for it, so it kind of makes it a poor way to punish you, huh.
Anyway, keep up the good work. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.07.23 18:03:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1672671#post1672671
Thanks ISD DB (I'm sorry, your name is just a nightmare to try and spell).
No problem. Glad I could help.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Ensign Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.08.01 19:39:00 -
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So, I want to start by saying that ISD Type40 is doing a fine job.
However, when an ISD posts:
ISD TYPE40 wrote:Thread cleaned of trolling and personal attacks. Please keep your posting on topic and constructive in future, thank you.
Personal attacks and trolling removed - ISD Type40.
on a long thread, I want to know if my posts got caught in the sweep. I'm not a nice poster, but I don't do personal attacks and trolling, as a art, is subject to interpretation (in fact, by the EVE-O rules, a post can be on-topic, constructive, and still trolling if you get the tone and wording just right).
Can we get a notification for edits and post deletions (especially edits)? I know we asked for this earlier in this thread, but I don't think we got an answer. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.08.02 17:22:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1735151#post1735151
Another one that did not need to be locked.
With a 130 page threadnaught, there's obviously going to be a share of trolls. Most of them probably won't listen to you when you tell them not to troll. The way to deal with that is to keep cleaning the thread, not to lock it right after a Dev post. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
2048
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Posted - 2012.08.02 21:33:00 -
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I would like to remind you that discussions of warnings, bans or other specific moderation actions are not allowed on our forums. However, you can contact always the EVE Community team via the petition system in case of serious questions regarding specific moderation actions. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.08.02 22:19:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:I would like to remind you that discussions of warnings, bans or other specific moderation actions are not allowed on our forums. However, you can contact always the EVE Community team via the petition system in case of serious questions regarding specific moderation actions.
1) I understand that rule, and the rationale behind it, but this thread has been ignoring that rule for a bit with plenty of ISD interaction giving the impression that this thread's tacitly exempt.
2) We don't trust the black hole that is the petition system. IMHO, Public Commentary is the best way to achieve improvement. (In the past, CCP has shown that Public Commentary has been the only way to get results.)
3) The posts you left un-culled (i.e. all of the positive response to specific good moderation actions) are interesting.
4) In any discussion, having examples is the only way to not sound like a wavering ninny. "I feel that some threads are being locked without needing to be, but I can't say which, and I can't discuss why they might have been locked, nor how they might be better treated in the future" does not make for high minded discussion. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:45:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:I would like to remind you that discussions of warnings, bans or other specific moderation actions are not allowed on our forums. However, you can contact always the EVE Community team via the petition system in case of serious questions regarding specific moderation actions. 1) I understand that rule, and the rationale behind it, but this thread has been ignoring that rule for a bit with plenty of ISD interaction giving the impression that this thread's tacitly exempt. 2) We don't trust the black hole that is the petition system. IMHO, Public Commentary is the best way to achieve improvement. (In the past, CCP has shown that Public Commentary has been the only way to get results.) 3) The posts you left un-culled (i.e. all of the positive response to specific good moderation actions) are interesting. 4) In any discussion, having examples is the only way to not sound like a wavering ninny. "I feel that some threads are being locked without needing to be, but I can't say which, and I can't discuss why they might have been locked, nor how they might be better treated in the future" does not make for high minded discussion.
This, leaving only positive discussion in a thread that was opened to allow the community to discuss moderation after ISD went a bit overboard turns this into a "ra ra ISD" thread rather than a two way discussion.
CCP moderation so full of fail ( See I didn't mention anything specific there), that's what you get when you don't allow examples to be discussed.
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
607
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Posted - 2012.08.03 08:42:00 -
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They are trying to improve the forums through trust. We don't need examples because we TRUST you. When you said ISD moderation is bad, they trust you and believe so.
See there is no reason for examples.
I almost like their moderation, since they only lock threads, instead of banning people. I propably would have been banned in WOW for the stuff I have said in here. But I only faced total eraser for it. My mind is turning more into total recall with every passing ISD punishment. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.08.03 09:59:00 -
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rodyas wrote:They are trying to improve the forums through trust. We don't need examples because we TRUST you. When you said ISD moderation is bad, they trust you and believe so.
See there is no reason for examples.
I almost like their moderation, since they only lock threads, instead of banning people. I propably would have been banned in WOW for the stuff I have said in here. But here I only faced total eraser for it. My mind is turning more into total recall with every passing ISD punishment.
Err no they do ban ppl, and what are you talking about Trust ? what has that got to do with it ??
If I'm going to argue a point I'll back it up with examples as you would normally do with a discussion, and no they don't believe us as it took a forum rebellion before they started talking to us after we told them that certain aspects of their moderation was flawed.
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
609
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Posted - 2012.08.03 10:15:00 -
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But in a way your not banned. You are letting them know who you are. The same poster who was banned. But they let you keep posting anyhow.
That is the total eraser part. Here you are still talking, but nothing from your past identity is present or can be found.
p.s. Have they forced you to confess your sins to CCP navigator yet, for you to get unbanned? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.08.03 11:29:00 -
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rodyas wrote:But in a way your not banned. You are letting them know who you are. The same poster who was banned. But they let you keep posting anyhow.
That is the total eraser part. Here you are still talking, but nothing from your past identity is present or can be found.
p.s. Have they forced you to confess your sins to CCP navigator yet, for you to get unbanned?
"I would like to remind you that discussions of warnings, bans or other specific moderation actions are not allowed on our forums"
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.08.03 20:07:00 -
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rodyas wrote:But in a way your not banned. You are letting them know who you are. The same poster who was banned. But they let you keep posting anyhow.
That is the total eraser part. Here you are still talking, but nothing from your past identity is present or can be found.
p.s. Have they forced you to confess your sins to CCP navigator yet, for you to get unbanned?
CCP Phantom wrote:I would like to remind you that discussions of warnings, bans or other specific moderation actions are not allowed on our forums.
Also, nobody in here has been talking about anyone getting banned. We were discussing some examples of the ISD's moderation not quite measuring up, and how they could improve. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
615
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Posted - 2012.08.04 06:59:00 -
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Rats wrote:rodyas wrote:But in a way your not banned. You are letting them know who you are. The same poster who was banned. But they let you keep posting anyhow.
That is the total eraser part. Here you are still talking, but nothing from your past identity is present or can be found.
p.s. Have they forced you to confess your sins to CCP navigator yet, for you to get unbanned? "I would like to remind you that discussions of warnings, bans or other specific moderation actions are not allowed on our forums" Tal
Your moderation isn't allowed to be discussed.
It is easy to tell the moderation of the ISD and CCP though. Its all business. Just try to see the business cycle. Then when players go past it, they come in and moderate. Its just hard to always stay inside the business curve for players,(as well as the circle can feel small at times) why ISD so bad at times. Of course, players being sad and changing actions does help to expand that business cycle or curve. Allowing us to go farther.
Just for communication to be present I suppose, that business curve must cleanse the forum, Then we are free to discuss ideas. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1178
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Posted - 2012.08.04 21:54:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:I would like to remind you that discussions of warnings, bans or other specific moderation actions are not allowed on our forums. However, you can contact always the EVE Community team via the petition system in case of serious questions regarding specific moderation actions. I think the reason Pipa/Ruby would like to see a way to know when a post has been edited/removed is a good one.
In a very long thread, posts can end up edited without us being aware of it. There are times that a person may not realize they have crossed a line, and they will continue oblivious unless they check every post of theirs every day.
I understand that this could be used by some as a way to argue their moderation. This is the unfortunate nature of forums.
It still woudl be beneficial for us to know when we have crossed the line, even for minor things. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
616
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Posted - 2012.08.07 08:33:00 -
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Well just stop posting before you read the thread. Its usually easy to detect what was deleted. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1185
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:16:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Well just stop posting before you read the thread. Its usually easy to detect what was deleted. Not in a 100+ page thread when editing could be anywhere within those 100 pages.
Some of us post a lot, especially in more active threads.
I understand the issues with the request, which is why I am not pushing for it as much as I would like.
On a side note: I was edited!!! Yay. Well, a quote was edited... |
Pipa Porto
641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:28:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Well just stop posting before you read the thread. Its usually easy to detect what was deleted.
Yes, because I want to read hundreds of pages of material that I already wrote, read, and probably only foggily remember to look for the hidden: "Edited By: ISD...."
I'd be happy if re-edits of ISD edited posts had to be approved before posting (maybe with a cooldown to avoid spam?), but I'd like to be notified when somebody makes changes to things I've written that have my name next to them.
Which again comes down to trust. I think the ISDs have made great strides in their skills in moderation, but I don't trust them yet. Not being notified of edits essentially denies the poster a chance to petition and argue their case, or re-write the post to fix whatever's wrong (and put it back into their own words). I stand by my words. Ninja-Edits force me to inadvertently stand by someone else's words*.
*There was a thread before the initial kerfuffle whose OP got edited multiple times by ISDs to the point where it didn't reflect the OP's intent at all, then moved to an inappropriate place, then one of the CCP's told the OP that he posted in the wrong place and should fix his OP. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:47:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:
*There was a thread before the initial kerfuffle whose OP got edited multiple times by ISDs to the point where it didn't reflect the OP's intent at all, then moved to an inappropriate place, then one of the CCP's told the OP that he posted in the wrong place and should fix his OP.
Thats just funny, sure it wasn't a mod having a giggle
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
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