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Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 09:51:00 -
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I really hate surveys but I really was curious what you think is the best race to fly for each ship class for overall performance at PvP. Feel free to include another tally if you want to throw in PvE but its not necessary. I did not include ORE related stuff as there is only one 'race' to pick. The first letter for each race is fine. i.e. A = Amarr
Assault Ship: G Battle Cruiser: C Battleship: A Black Ops: A Carrier: G Command Ship: A Covert Ops: M Cruiser: G Destroyer: M Dreadnought: A Electronic Attack Ship: C Freighter: C Frigate: M Heavy Assault Ship: A Heavy Interdictor: A Interceptor: G Interdictor: M Jump Freighter: C Logistics: A Marauder: A Recon: C Strategic Cruiser: G Titan: G Transport: C
My total is: Amarr - 8 Caldari - 6 Gallente - 6 Minmitar - 4
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RootEmerger
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Posted - 2010.02.01 09:57:00 -
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Maybe you forgot the -huge- boost arty got in dominion? and even without counting that, maybe you're missing a few points? for eg, Assault Ships... You really have the panache to say that Iskhur is better than Jaguar? Oo
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Mirsal
Amarr Punic Corp.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 10:01:00 -
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Assault Ship: M Battle Cruiser: C Battleship: C Command Ship: M Covert Ops: M Cruiser: C Destroyer: M Electronic Attack Ship: C Frigate: M Heavy Assault Ship: A Heavy Interdictor: M Interceptor: A Interdictor: M Logistics: A Recon: C ------- "Be not, oh Greeks, so very hostilely disposed towards the Barbarians, nor look with ill will on their opinions. For which of your institutions has not been derived from the Barbarians?" |
Taipan Leviathan
Shadows Of The Requiem Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.01 10:01:00 -
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What amarr hac beats the vagabond? --------------------------------------------------- THE BIG BANG: First there was nothing, Then it exploded. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.02.01 10:02:00 -
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Is this is hidden nerf Amarr, boost Minmatar thread? --------
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: RootEmerger You really have the panache to say that Iskhur is better than Jaguar? Oo
Yup.
Originally by: Taipan Leviathan What amarr hac beats the vagabond?
Zealot.
Originally by: Abrazzar I don't like your opinion!!!
Please rate each class as you see fit then.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: RootEmerger
You really have the panache to say that Iskhur is better than Jaguar? Oo
I dont think that word means what you think it it means.
OPs concept is incomplete in any case. Best for what?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Taipan Leviathan What amarr hac beats the vagabond?
In a sniper HAC gang? The answer is obvious.
For a solo or 2-3 ship hit-and-run gang? Nothing.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno Burning Ambition
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Posted - 2010.02.01 10:17:00 -
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Survey would need to be divided in gangsizes to make any sence. Atm one could argue forever about it. -
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Survey would need to be divided in gangsizes to make any sence. Atm one could argue forever about it.
Well I guess I could include that but I was not trying to make it too complicated.
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Taipan Leviathan
Shadows Of The Requiem Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.01 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Survey would need to be divided in gangsizes to make any sence. Atm one could argue forever about it.
Well I guess I could include that but I was not trying to make it too complicated.
Eve is complicated. I think you would be better of of making a list of bad ships. (ships that are bad no matter how you use them.)
Also. For pvp Drake < Hurricane For pve Hurricane > Drake.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 11:24:00 -
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Some choices the OP made I simply disagree with, others heavily depend on how/where you use them. where applicable I named 2 races if they both do equally well but in a different situation.
Assault Ship: G/M Battle Cruiser: C Battleship: A/G Black Ops: A Carrier: G/A Command Ship: A/M Covert Ops: M/A Cruiser: G/M Destroyer: M Dreadnought: A Electronic Attack Ship: C/A Frigate: M Heavy Assault Ship: A/M Heavy Interdictor: A Interceptor: G/M Interdictor: M Logistics: A/M Marauder: A Recon: C/A Strategic Cruiser: G/C Titan: G Transport: A/M
Amarr: 13 Caldari: 3 Gallente: 6 Minmatar: 9
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Taipan Leviathan Also. For pvp Drake < Hurricane For pve Hurricane > Drake.
So your saying the Hurricane is better than the Drake at both PvP and PvE??
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.02.01 11:34:00 -
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Why bother really. You can argue till you turn blue, but you will never agree.
Do therefore as I do: Fly whats prettiest and coolest. For me that means Gallente and Amarr! And for some ships: Caldari. The Matar ships holds too much rust and duct tape to suit my finer taste of style.
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Acrid Acid
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Posted - 2010.02.01 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Taipan Leviathan Also. For pvp Drake < Hurricane For pve Hurricane > Drake.
So your saying the Hurricane is better than the Drake at both PvP and PvE??
AHahahm that taipan guy really have no clue how works the > and < symbols... unless it was intended which I doubt. Because, really, the drake worst in PVE than the hurricane? wtf?
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Culmen
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.02.01 15:50:00 -
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Assault Ship: M Battle Cruiser: M Battleship: A Black Ops: C Carrier: G Command Ship: C Covert Ops: M Cruiser: G Destroyer: M Dreadnought: A Electronic Attack Ship: C Frigate: M Heavy Assault Ship: A Heavy Interdictor: A Interceptor: G Interdictor: M Logistics: A Marauder: C Recon: C Strategic Cruiser: C Titan: A Transport: A
Amarr: 7 Caldari: 6 Minmatar: 6 Gallente: 3
So yeah i think Gallente suck. and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2010.02.01 16:17:00 -
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This topic is built around a flawed concept, and as such is poop...
Things are way too situational and variable to say X ship = the best. --------------------------------------------
Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
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The Logs
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.01 16:28:00 -
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Assault Ship: M - Jaguar Battle Cruiser: M - Hurricane's versatility Battleship: G - Dominix' versatility Black Ops: A Carrier: G - Thanatos' versatility Command Ship: M Covert Ops: M Cruiser: M Destroyer: M Dreadnought: A Electronic Attack Ship: A - Sentinel serious underrated Frigate: M - Rifter Heavy Assault Ship: A - Zealot Heavy Interdictor: A - got buffer? Interceptor: G - Taranis' ability to give the enemy a bloody nose Interdictor: M Logistics: M Marauder: A Recon: A - underrated in both solo and gang work Strategic Cruiser: G Titan: G Transport: A - biggest holds
My total is: Amarr - 8 Caldari - 0 Gallente - 5 Minmitar - 9 ------------ I show nothing |
Jawas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.01 16:38:00 -
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There are way too many variables.
Skills, fitting, tactics, RL skill. Even location can be important since gate camping is not the same as fleet ops.
A good pilot who knows their ship well can make their ship almost perform miracles. Add in a good skillset and fit and you've got something that can rarely be beaten 1v1. Get another pilot in the same ship with the same skills and fit and he can be taken out by a noob in a badly fitted piece of junk.
Also, the tactics a pilot uses may not translate to another ship. For example, a pilot who flys Caldari with railguns for sniping probably wouldn't last 5 minutes in a minmatar ship with autocannons where he needs to get up close and personal.
In addition, someone who may be used to armor tanking probably wouldn't do anywhere near as well with shield tanking.
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Demolishar
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Posted - 2010.02.01 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Demolishar on 01/02/2010 20:02:51 Assault Ship: G Battle Cruiser: M Battleship: A Black Ops: A Carrier: M Command Ship: M Covert Ops: M Cruiser: M Destroyer: M Dreadnought: A Electronic Attack Ship: C Frigate: M Heavy Assault Ship: M Heavy Interdictor: C Interceptor: G Interdictor: M Logistics: M Marauder: M Recon: M Strategic Cruiser: C Titan: G Transport: M
Totals Amarr - 3 Caldari - 3 Gallente - 3 Minmatar - 13 wtf
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Malephar
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Posted - 2010.02.01 20:29:00 -
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What about shuttles? Its all about Minmatar shuttles.
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.02.01 20:42:00 -
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Ok I'll bite, here's my opinion of the prettiest ships:
Assault Ship: A Battle Cruiser: C Battleship: A Black Ops: C Carrier: G Command Ship: C Covert Ops: A/C Cruiser: G Destroyer: C Dreadnought: M Electronic Attack Ship: G Frigate: G Heavy Assault Ship: G Heavy Interdictor: G Interceptor: G Interdictor: C Logistics: A Marauder: A Recon: A Strategic Cruiser: A Titan: A Transport: A
My total is:
Amarr - 9 Caldari - 6 Gallente - 6 Minmitar - 1
And divided by each other from last to first:
1/6/6/9 = 0.003086419753
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Kiljaedenas
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Posted - 2010.02.02 00:20:00 -
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You really can't compare ship classes like this. A good skillset, good equipment and good personal tactics can make a highly skilled operator of a "bad" ship eat a moderatly skilled operator of a "good" ship for lunch.
Case in point: People often claim that missle ships (a.k.a. Caldari) are not really good for PvP because of the slow travelling time of missles. A good player, however, will realize that missles have no issues with tracking like turrets do. A missle ship can fight at full MWD speeds without losing any damage output, which is something no turret based ship could ever claim. Unless you can lock it down with a scrambler, fighting a rocket equipped Kestrel at close range can be like trying to hit a hummingbird on speed with a baseball bat, and all of that strength comes purely from the tactics of the pilot.
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MrBinary
Minmatar Binary Systems
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Posted - 2010.02.02 02:02:00 -
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You're all wrong...
Assault Ship: M Battle Cruiser: M Battleship: M Black Ops: M Carrier: M Command Ship: M Covert Ops: M Cruiser: M Destroyer: M Dreadnought: M Electronic Attack Ship: M Frigate: M Heavy Assault Ship: M Heavy Interdictor: M Interceptor: M Interdictor: M Logistics: M Marauder: M Recon: M Strategic Cruiser: M Titan: M Transport: M
My total is:
Amarr - 0 Caldari - 0 Gallente - 0 Minmitar - 42
Go Leafs GO!
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.02.02 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kiljaedenas You really can't compare ship classes like this. A good skillset, good equipment and good personal tactics can make a highly skilled operator of a "bad" ship eat a moderatly skilled operator of a "good" ship for lunch.
Case in point: People often claim that missle ships (a.k.a. Caldari) are not really good for PvP because of the slow travelling time of missles. A good player, however, will realize that missles have no issues with tracking like turrets do. A missle ship can fight at full MWD speeds without losing any damage output, which is something no turret based ship could ever claim. Unless you can lock it down with a scrambler, fighting a rocket equipped Kestrel at close range can be like trying to hit a hummingbird on speed with a baseball bat, and all of that strength comes purely from the tactics of the pilot.
Its not a debate. Just a survey.
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Taipan Leviathan
Shadows Of The Requiem Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.02 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Taipan Leviathan Also. For pvp Drake < Hurricane For pve Hurricane > Drake.
So your saying the Hurricane is better than the Drake at both PvP and PvE??
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Pippan
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.02 09:06:00 -
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Assault Ship: G Battle Cruiser: A Battleship: A Carrier: M Command Ship: M Covert Ops: M Cruiser: G Destroyer: M Electronic Attack Ship: C Frigate: M Heavy Assault Ship: M Heavy Interdictor: M Interceptor: G Interdictor: M Logistics: A Marauder: G Recon: M Strategic Cruiser: M
My total is: Amarr - 3 Caldari - 1 Gallente - 4 Minmitar - 10
Didn't answer the classes I cannot/do not fly. Bear in mind that most of my PvP is solo based and minmatars versatility makes them top of my list. ------ Every time you kill a Falcon a kitten is saved. Please, save the kittens. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.02.02 09:41:00 -
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Assault Ship: M Battle Cruiser: M Battleship: A/M Black Ops: -- all crap Carrier: G/A Command Ship: M Covert Ops: M/C Cruiser: M Destroyer: M Dreadnought: A Electronic Attack Ship: A/C Frigate: M Heavy Assault Ship: M Heavy Interdictor: M/C Interceptor: G Interdictor: M Logistics: A Marauder: A Recon: A/C Strategic Cruiser: C Titan: A/G Transport: M
Hurricane trumps all other BC due to proj. changes and a very desirable slot layout. Rupture is so close to being OP it's not even funny. Vagabond is infinitely better than all other HACs thanks to the huge boost from ammo/proj. changes. Dominion brought Minnie BS on par if not higher than Amarr ditto. Passive shield HICs > All. Same applies to T3. Recon/EAS .. cap warfare and ECM. Even Steven. Claymore with speed, shield and armor links is far better than the brick with same unless a jump-in is required.
M: 10.5 A: 5.5 C: 3 G: 2
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Inertial
Killing Spree Inc
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Posted - 2010.02.02 09:54:00 -
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Shouldn't it be:
Frigates: Angel (Dramiel) Cruisers: Guristas (Gila) Battleships: Blood Raiders (Bhaalgorn)
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Ynos Fukse
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Posted - 2010.02.02 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 02/02/2010 10:25:37
All the above posts are crap and I can argue why that:
I take Battleships for exemple:
In the first place there is no "the best bs / class" in this game. I think they are quite well ballanced. Depends on which situation you are in pvp.
If I want the best pro sniper (best range/lock time/dps/tracking) maybe megathron is the best. If I want the best gank fleet sniper maybe tempest is the best. If I want the best sustainable or perma dps no ammo sniper for pos shooting maybe the apoc is the best, maybe apoc is the best sniper in many situations anyway. If I want the best gank close range for gate camp BS maybe megathron is the best. If I want the best tank/range/dps ballance maybe maelstrom or abaddon are the best. If I want the best versatyle BS maybe Dominix is the best. If I want the best tank / range dps suport for fleets maybe raven is the best. IF I want the best BS bait maybe scorpion or rokh are the best. If I want to jamm from 200km scorpion is the only one... There are much more situations (etc etc). For exemple maelstrom is very good for dps suport medium range too. many can say this is the best ship for dealing dps. etc etc. I didnt count what ships is the best from the performance/price point of view. maybe dominix is that ship. etc etc.
so see? why are you talking crap noobs... see? I fly all races with high skills and I have almost all the ships types. I use them in many situations and each one of them are the best in the situation I chouse.
So there is no "the best ship" or "the best race".
There is no "the best race for everything" or "the best ship for everything"
You suck becose you are a bunch of noobs who play just one race or two and dont know how to squeeze the best performance from what you can fly.
Use your brains.
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