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Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:09:00 -
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the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy. Its time to put the risk vs reward back into ganking, because the formula for costs for ganking a freighter has long been worked out, removing the ability to use cargo scanners in highsec would then force the jita gankers for example to have to take the RISK that said freighter thats just jumped through the gate might or might not be carrying anything or even enough to cover the costs of the ships and mods used to gank said freighter, which also brings me to the next point.
WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1650
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:13:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy. Its time to put the risk vs reward back into ganking, because the formula for costs for ganking a freighter has long been worked out, removing the ability to use cargo scanners in highsec would then force the jita gankers for example to have to take the RISK that said freighter thats just jumped through the gate might or might not be carrying anything or even enough to cover the costs of the ships and mods used to gank said freighter, which also brings me to the next point.
WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)
I don't see this as a valid solution to your problem
you could try any number of things people do to make it harder on the scanner like not APing around with expensive cargo
while you try and level the risk playing field you actually lessen your risk at the expense of the other player
"You were the chosen one Anakin, you were supposed to bring order to the galaxy, not destroy it!" -Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi -á |
Nostradamouse Riraille
Blackreach. SRS.
26
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:15:00 -
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How about... No! |
Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
119
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:17:00 -
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Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:How about... No!
Not empty quoting. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
41
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:18:00 -
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Morganta wrote:I don't see this as a valid solution to your problem
you could try any number of things people do to make it harder on the scanner like not APing around with expensive cargo
while you try and level the risk playing field you actually lessen your risk at the expense of the other player
what problem? I dont fly a freighter so I dont have a problem lol, and changing cargo scanners to NOT be usable in HS means the gankers have to take the risk the freighter they gank might not have anything or enough to cover their losses as apposed to the almost gurrentied payout from using a cargo scanner, locating a freighter carrying not only enough to cover their losses but also make them a profit.
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
601
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:20:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote: WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)
Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere. I mean if that were the case I would never be able to stop my vehicle as I'm a repeat parking ticket offender. But then again maybe you live in Russia or something where they just steal you off the streets. Just how often do the police sit around a bank taking photographs of people in cars, downloading the picture to their computer, and running a scan? Do they do this for other crimes as well? Maybe scope out the old man sitting at a bench in the park because he just may be a child molester rather than somebody who is just enjoying a day in the park. Better watch that person at the gas station who is buying a snickers because he could have made a counterfeit bill there.
Whats it like living in Minority Report? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
86
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:20:00 -
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-1
This would be a huge buff to freighter pilots. It has already been understood that carrying more than 2 bill in value is gank worthy. This stops money being transported around quicker. A good thing IMO
Just stick to being under the 2 bill mark and you should fly safer.
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Kyle Ward
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:23:00 -
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What we need is an unscanable container that takes like 5000m3 and allows you to store 500m3. There, I won freighter balancing. The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
120
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:25:00 -
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If you do that, some will just use the "I think you are carrying weapons of mass destruction" excuse and you might still end up getting ganked (and loose your precious stuff) anyways. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
41
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:25:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Blastcaps Madullier wrote: WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)
Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere. I mean if that were the case I would never be able to stop my vehicle as I'm a repeat parking ticket offender. But then again maybe you live in Russia or something where they just steal you off the streets. Just how often do the police sit around a bank taking photographs of people in cars, downloading the picture to their computer, and running a scan? Do they do this for other crimes as well? Maybe scope out the old man sitting at a bench in the park because he just may be a child molester rather than somebody who is just enjoying a day in the park. Better watch that person at the gas station who is buying a snickers because he could have made a counterfeit bill there. Whats it like living in Minority Report?
parking tickets are a minor offense, in comparrison to ARMED BANK ROBBERY, who said anything about police taking pics? a group of KNOWN bank robbers sat outside a bank in a car, you think the cops are NOT going to go investigate and move them on? :)
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Kyle Ward
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:28:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:If you do that, some will just use the "I think you are carrying weapons of mass destruction" excuse and you might still end up getting ganked (and loose your precious stuff) anyways.
But then there's some risk to the gankers... Would suck to waste a fleet of tornado's on a freighter that was just hauling around empty, unscannable containers... The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Cold Hand of Shadow
124
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:29:00 -
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I see your troll and raise you: Warp Core Stabilizers should be unusable in high sec, as you are safe there and they are only meant to get you safely through low and null. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
41
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:29:00 -
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Kyle Ward wrote:What we need is an unscanable container that takes like 5000m3 and allows you to store 500m3. There, I won freighter balancing.
edit: Or bring back the double wrap!
actualy CCP are going to be re-balancing freighters, they've already said their re-balancing ALL ships in eve which means at some stage their going to get to freighters and jump freighters.
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Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
824
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:30:00 -
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Rer Eirikr wrote:Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:How about... No! Not empty quoting. Not empty quoting someone not empty quoting...
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Kyle Ward
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:32:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Rer Eirikr wrote:Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:How about... No! Not empty quoting. Not empty quoting someone not empty quoting...
Not Empty Quoting ^3
The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Jonni Favorite
Sundown Logistics SpaceMonkey's Alliance
108
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:33:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Blastcaps Madullier wrote: WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)
Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere. I mean if that were the case I would never be able to stop my vehicle as I'm a repeat parking ticket offender. But then again maybe you live in Russia or something where they just steal you off the streets. Just how often do the police sit around a bank taking photographs of people in cars, downloading the picture to their computer, and running a scan? Do they do this for other crimes as well? Maybe scope out the old man sitting at a bench in the park because he just may be a child molester rather than somebody who is just enjoying a day in the park. Better watch that person at the gas station who is buying a snickers because he could have made a counterfeit bill there. Whats it like living in Minority Report?
You need to get out more, this happens all the time in US.
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
601
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:33:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Blastcaps Madullier wrote: WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)
Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere. I mean if that were the case I would never be able to stop my vehicle as I'm a repeat parking ticket offender. But then again maybe you live in Russia or something where they just steal you off the streets. Just how often do the police sit around a bank taking photographs of people in cars, downloading the picture to their computer, and running a scan? Do they do this for other crimes as well? Maybe scope out the old man sitting at a bench in the park because he just may be a child molester rather than somebody who is just enjoying a day in the park. Better watch that person at the gas station who is buying a snickers because he could have made a counterfeit bill there. Whats it like living in Minority Report? parking tickets are a minor offense, in comparrison to ARMED BANK ROBBERY, who said anything about police taking pics? a group of KNOWN bank robbers sat outside a bank in a car, you think the cops are NOT going to go investigate and move them on? :)
Do you have any idea at all how many people are circulated through the justice system? Those police officers who just happen to be at the bank had better have one hell of a photographic memory to remember a face like that. Go ahead, look up the numbers, I'll wait.
And even if that were that case, you are still accusing people for a crime they haven't committed yet. What if they go and arrest those men only to find out that they were waiting on a non accused friend who wanted to make a quick withdrawal, before they head off to their 9-5 job in their now reformed lives. Well that just makes the cops look bad doesn't it? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1373
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:34:00 -
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hey guys let me yell about removing the only risk for freighter hauling and couch it in the argument that 'cargo scanners are risk free'
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
601
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:34:00 -
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Jonni Favorite wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Blastcaps Madullier wrote: WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)
Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere. I mean if that were the case I would never be able to stop my vehicle as I'm a repeat parking ticket offender. But then again maybe you live in Russia or something where they just steal you off the streets. Just how often do the police sit around a bank taking photographs of people in cars, downloading the picture to their computer, and running a scan? Do they do this for other crimes as well? Maybe scope out the old man sitting at a bench in the park because he just may be a child molester rather than somebody who is just enjoying a day in the park. Better watch that person at the gas station who is buying a snickers because he could have made a counterfeit bill there. Whats it like living in Minority Report? You need to get out more, this happens all the time in US.
Link please Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
590
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:35:00 -
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- Don't fly AFK - Don't put all your eggs in 1 basket - Use a friend/ alt with a web.
Sigh, the only problem the OP has is that he/ she makes it easy to get ganked.
Oh, yeah another one from grand ma's box of wish dome EVE cookies: - High sec isn't supposed to be safe. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
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Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
41
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:37:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote: And even if that were that case, you are still accusing people for a crime they haven't committed yet. What if they go and arrest those men only to find out that they were waiting on a non accused friend who wanted to make a quick withdrawal, before they head off to their 9-5 job in their now reformed lives. Well that just makes the cops look bad doesn't it?
1: who said they were commiting a crime? 2: who said about the police ARRESTING them? 3 I said MOVING THEM ON, which is what they WOULD do seeing a group of KNOWN bank robbers sat in a car outside a bank, one of them would probley poke their head inside the bank just to be sure nothing was happening inside. |
Pyramid Scheme
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:38:00 -
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they need a downvote button for **** just like this. |
Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
120
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:39:00 -
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Your silly analogy has nothing to do with EVE. Concord and the Navy aren't going to blap people who they aren't mad at (IE: negative security status). If you're flying with too much in your freighter and you get blapped, its your own fault.
The minute you undock you become a potential target. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
682
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:39:00 -
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doing things myself is hard CCP make me invulnerable plz |
Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
120
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:41:00 -
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I mean if you really can't see how drastically this would affect the EVE economy just from the sheer ability to move massive stockpiles of wealth completely undetected (NO RISK), then I don't know what else to say. |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
55
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:42:00 -
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No.
Any other questions? |
SAA Legis
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:42:00 -
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How about....making Orcas fully scannable |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
601
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:43:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:THE L0CK wrote: And even if that were that case, you are still accusing people for a crime they haven't committed yet. What if they go and arrest those men only to find out that they were waiting on a non accused friend who wanted to make a quick withdrawal, before they head off to their 9-5 job in their now reformed lives. Well that just makes the cops look bad doesn't it?
1: who said they were commiting a crime? 2: who said about the police ARRESTING them? 3 I said MOVING THEM ON, which is what they WOULD do seeing a group of KNOWN bank robbers sat in a car outside a bank, one of them would probley poke their head inside the bank just to be sure nothing was happening inside.
Again, I point out that officers would have to have a face memorized first off. How do you make somebody move away from a public space. Last I checked banks don't own streets. What if they park across the street? They are no longer in front of the bank now are they?
And what would concord do, send you through the gate? Put your autopilot on? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1834
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:51:00 -
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Now watch as I carefully dismantle this entire argument.
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.
Knowing what ammo types are in the cargohold of your war targets is valuable intel.
What else ya got? It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
508
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:53:00 -
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I have, on unrelated alts, moved 80 billion isk in freighters and have even passed though ganker camps with it without an issue. Perhaps you should just learn to take appropriate measures to hide what you're carrying? . |
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