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Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.27 05:54:00 -
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The real reason Concord doesn't target those who keep their sec status high is because they're contributing to keeping rat numbers low. That and the color of your money matters more than your security's. |
David Toviyah
University of Caille Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.06.27 05:55:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:I see your troll and raise you: Warp Core Stabilizers should be unusable in high sec, as you are safe there and they are only meant to get you safely through low and null. Bullshit. WPSs are not used for committing crimes. Cargo scanners on the other hand have no use for anyone other than gankers (i.e. criminals). Why ban bombs but keep scanners? |
Nazowa
UK Corp RAZOR Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.06.27 06:02:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy. Its time to put the risk vs reward back into ganking, because the formula for costs for ganking a freighter has long been worked out, removing the ability to use cargo scanners in highsec would then force the jita gankers for example to have to take the RISK that said freighter thats just jumped through the gate might or might not be carrying anything or even enough to cover the costs of the ships and mods used to gank said freighter, which also brings me to the next point.
WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)
Yes by all means. Scanning cargo should be a hostile act akin to shooting someone. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8237
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Posted - 2012.06.27 06:03:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Cargo scanners on the other hand have no use for anyone other than gankers (i.e. criminals). Why ban bombs but keep scanners? Because bombs are area-of-effect weaponry, which are largely banned from highsec, whereas cargo scanners have a number of legitimate uses toGǪ wellGǪ everyone, really.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Cold Hand of Shadow
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Posted - 2012.06.27 06:43:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Tah'ris Khlador wrote:I see your troll and raise you: Warp Core Stabilizers should be unusable in high sec, as you are safe there and they are only meant to get you safely through low and null. Bullsh it. WPSs are not used for committing crimes. Cargo scanners on the other hand have no use for anyone other than gankers (i.e. criminals). Why ban bombs but keep scanners?
They are used to commit crimes all the time! I mean, those pvp ships with stabs are just awful. Those are the people who need to face CONCORD for just undocking! |
Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.27 06:49:00 -
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I face Concord everytime I undock. Lemme tell you, it's not pretty. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:29:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I think it would be better to lower the base cargohold on freighters and add low slots, so that the resulting max cargohold size is the same as before, as is the max HP, but if you are willing to give up some room, you can take more damage. You already have the option to trade expanded cargoholds for armor. Unless there's a problem caused by having all current slots filled with expanders or all with armor, I don't see why adding more lows is necessary? Freighters don't have low slots. Ah yeah, apologies, I was thinking of my industrial rather than a freighter. Almost 4am here, I'll take this as my cue to go sleep :)
Get a blockade runner (like a Viator). Fit it with 2 x Inertia Stab II and 1 x Nanofibre in low and a cloak in high. Warp to zero, don't auto-pilot. With the inertia number of the ship, he won't be able to catch you on the other side of the gate and in any case you'll cloak a split second after you hit warp, so you won't be on screen long enough for him to target you.
That is all |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:31:00 -
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No. Keep scanners, why would you want them gone, I believe the hulk thing was un-balanced but this would definitely be a step towards WOW in space.
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Luis Graca
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:35:00 -
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making cargo scanner unusable in high-sec is the same thing than remove it, if i see a cargo ship in low-sec/0.0 i don't need to scan i will just kill it even if it doesn't have any cargo |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
7460
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:37:00 -
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RL analogies on page one! Great stuff, would read again.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
701
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:40:00 -
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Rer Eirikr wrote:Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:How about... No! Not empty quoting.
Indeed not.
That being said, when does the smuggling come into the game finally, after about 10 years it's about time. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
pussnheels
434
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:58:00 -
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Untanked haulers or unescorted freighters with a few billion in cargo are a valid target for suicide ganks Either tank your hauler, use a scout to check those bottle necks , use alternative routes never fly autopilot with valuable cargo or make several trips A transport can have a great tank and able to use the mwd cloak trickwhile stll having a 25 k+ cargo But whinning about losing a valuable ship and cargo because you though you are safe you will only get yourself ridiculed and laughed at I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
David Toviyah
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.27 08:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Because bombs are area-of-effect weaponry, which are largely banned from highsec, whereas cargo scanners have a number of legitimate uses toGǪ wellGǪ everyone, really. Oh? Is that so? Well, then IGÇÖm sure you wonGÇÖt have trouble naming any.
Pak Narhoo wrote:Oh, yeah another one from grand ma's box of wish dome EVE cookies: - High sec isn't supposed to be safe. GÇ£High[ly] secure spaceGÇ¥ Gëá safe
Yup, sure, that doesnGÇÖt sound completely retarded or anything. Right on, bro. |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.27 16:07:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:Oh, yeah another one from grand ma's box of wish dome EVE cookies: - High sec isn't supposed to be safe. GÇ£High[ly] secure spaceGÇ¥ Gëá safe Yup, sure, that doesnGÇÖt sound completely r etarded or anything. Right on, bro. Oh good, it was about time somebody flogged that dead horse some more. Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
Price Check Aisle3
103
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Posted - 2012.06.27 16:16:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:GÇ£High[ly] secure spaceGÇ¥ Gëá safe
Yup, sure, that doesnGÇÖt sound completely retarded or anything. Right on, bro. NO MAOR GRIEVFING IN HIGHSEC CPP!!! I DON WANTO PVP ANYMOR!!! - Karl Hobb IATS |
Flakey Foont
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Posted - 2012.06.27 16:17:00 -
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Go sailing off the coast of Somalia. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2012.06.27 16:20:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Notsureiftroll
troll nope, encouraging debate? yep :)
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Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2012.06.27 16:25:00 -
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InternetSpaceship wrote:[quote=reamau] Quote:
I have no problem with "hi-sec isn't safe", but I'd like kill rights for a month on every pilot that looted my wreck as well.
You know, that actually does seem reasonable, aside from the looter part. Some day old rookie is just as likely to loot your wreck, and they'd have no idea why you were attacking them. It would make ganking more dangerous with longer lasting consequences. I'd even go so far as to agree that serial gankers should be attackable without provocation or CONCORD recourse in highsec systems.
and it's ideas like these which is WHY i originally posted this subject lol, it encourages debate and discussion and from that comes ideas :) |
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:12:00 -
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Bad idea is bad. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
157
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:14:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.
Still don't see the problem here... |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
913
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:17:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:Oh, yeah another one from grand ma's box of wish dome EVE cookies: - High sec isn't supposed to be safe. GÇ£High[ly] secure spaceGÇ¥ Gëá safe Yup, sure, that doesnGÇÖt sound completely r etarded or anything. Right on, bro. It makes perfect sense. Its meant toe be safer (a relative term), not safe (an absolute term).
Also, with proper precautions taken, HS is one of the safest places to be, aside from empty systems. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
443
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:19:00 -
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why cargo scanners are only usefull in high sec...
just get a rokh and max tank it... you should be fine... PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub Like I Give A F--K
1375
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:23:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy. Its time to put the risk vs reward back into ganking, because the formula for costs for ganking a freighter has long been worked out, removing the ability to use cargo scanners in highsec would then force the jita gankers for example to have to take the RISK that said freighter thats just jumped through the gate might or might not be carrying anything or even enough to cover the costs of the ships and mods used to gank said freighter, which also brings me to the next point.
WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)
Get rid of NPC corp hauling, then we'll talk about suicide ganking.
Until then, HTFU.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8246
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:29:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Oh? Is that so? Well, then IGÇÖm sure you wonGÇÖt have trouble naming any. Yes. A bunch of them have been named already: collecting intel on war targets (current and, especially, future ones); market research; and, of course, scaring the bejesus out of your competitors and trick them into taking a longer route while you get the once-in-a-life-time opportunity sale.
Quote:GÇ£High[ly] secure spaceGÇ¥ Gëá safe
Yup, sure, that doesnGÇÖt sound completely retarded or anything. Right on, bro. Sure doesn't. It's called high sec, not complete sec. It's not meant to be safe. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
160
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:53:00 -
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Is it just me or does the OP just disregard the fact that there's a chance the loot you scan doesn't doesn't drop? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8246
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:57:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Is it just me or does the OP just disregard the fact that there's a chance the loot you scan doesn't doesn't drop? I think he tries to neatly sweep it under the rug with GÇ£the formula for costs for ganking a freighterGÇ¥.
GǪnever mind that the GÇ£formulaGÇ¥ is just a statistical average and that the wrath of the RNG is a risk that cannot be removed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team Rebel Alliance of New Eden
97
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:48:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Now watch as I carefully dismantle this entire argument. Blastcaps Madullier wrote:the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy. Knowing what ammo types are in the cargohold of your war targets is valuable intel. What else ya got?
Early in my trading days I would sit on Jita undock with a passive targeter and scanner to see what goods are moving in and out. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:13:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Doddy wrote:Freighter logistics is already pretty game breaking for trade and industry, why remove the only real control? Care to explain just how it's game breaking? You can't even raise a freighter's resistances. It'll take damage faster than anything else, even a shuttle.
What does its resistances have to do with logistics??!? Its cargo hold is what is gamebreaking, if you cant see how the hi sec local economy has been completely ruined by freighters (aka the jita effect) then you are just slow. |
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
34
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:14:00 -
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Rer Eirikr wrote:Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:How about... No! Not empty quoting.
agreeing with these fine lads on this particular point Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub Like I Give A F--K
1381
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Posted - 2012.06.28 00:09:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Doddy wrote:Freighter logistics is already pretty game breaking for trade and industry, why remove the only real control? Care to explain just how it's game breaking? You can't even raise a freighter's resistances. It'll take damage faster than anything else, even a shuttle. What does its resistances have to do with logistics??!? Its cargo hold is what is gamebreaking, if you cant see how the hi sec local economy has been completely ruined by freighters (aka the jita effect) then you are just slow. I think he thinks that stock resists make it somehow low EHP.
He apparently doesn't realise that EHP takes resists into account, or that JFs (which are invulnerable in high, low and null*) have 300-350k EHP. Which is considerably more than most pirate faction HG-slave fitted battleships.
*Presuming pilot is not a complete idiot.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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