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Ronan Le'Meurtrier
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Posted - 2010.02.08 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Samuel Cole Edited by: Samuel Cole on 07/02/2010 23:37:34 Surely the people of Providence deserve better leadership than this?
Absolutely. That goes without saying.
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Stratio
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.08 05:43:00 -
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Never thought I'd say this but ... Slavery profiteers deserve the leadership which CVA is providing! _____________________
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Ronan Le'Meurtrier
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Posted - 2010.02.08 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Stratio Never thought I'd say this but ... Slavery profiteers deserve the leadership which CVA is providing!
That statement only works effectively if the masses conclude that said leadership is failsauce and, oh... wait. Uh huh. This just in: the masses of New Eden citizens have concluded that CVA leadership is, and I quote: "failsauce", thus validating all things U'K/-A- in this matter.... as well as this statement. Furthermore, the masses would wish to express to CVA, not hatred or malice, but pity. Not reverence or regard; simply pity.
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Gigi Velour
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Posted - 2010.02.08 18:25:00 -
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I am not speaking for anyone, but offer an opinion of an outside observer on the events of recent.
I have many friends who have, in the recent past, operated within Providence under the governance of CVA and the holders. Their governance of this region has afforded access to many of us who look to better ourselves, opportunities not found within more civilized regions. The holders' belief that all are welcome unless they show ill intent in act or affiliation offers hope to residents of New Eden. There is an inherent belief in Providence in a rule of law. We have even fought along side the holders in this region to protect this belief. The roaming bands that come into Providence offer nothing but destruction and banditry where the holders offered industry & advancement.
While I and most of my friends here do not support the holding of slaves, we find, through hard work and opportunity, we, as free citizens, are able to thrive and improve our lot in life. Because I do not openly fight the zealots to free slaves does not mean I condone it. Some would say this makes us guilty by association and would choose to look at us as slavers. Do not judge us this way. Complacency, yes...but what options does a poor pioneer have?
CVA's recent incursion into Curse has brought the whole of large and powerful alliances into Providence. They assumed that the residents of Providence would rally beside them in this new and dangerous endeavor. We were not consulted, but drawn into this. We did not want this. Now we are wondering what to do.
Many fear that open access to the frontier will be threatened should governance of Providence change hands. What will become of those like us who only seek access to the resources of the frontier? Would AAA and U'K offer us access as CVA has? Such an arrangement would be good for both them as well as new pioneers, would it not?
The leadership, or at least words of AAA and U'K, seem to offer pragmatic solutions that could have worked for the peaceful inhabitants of Providence. CVA's response seems to accept defeat, only offers zealotry and hollow defiance. This apparent arrogance indeed alienates many of the residence. Their actions have not done much to inspire and rally the citizens of Providence. This is sad and unfortunate. Our kind have flown with CVA and the holders in support of access to the frontier, but their response leaves me empty inside. If CVA wants to rally residence, they need to treat us as something more than sheep supporting their zealotry. If this is the face of imperialism, then many of us will look for a republic where our voices will be heard.
All residence of New Eden will lose if this comes to pass, and pioneers like us are not allowed access to the frontiers.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.02.08 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Samuel Cole Actually, I think he's referring to the battle today, in which Severance lost over five times as many ships and nearly five times as much money as we did, only to have our tower replaced by an even larger one two hours later.
Personally, I find it astounding that Severance is willing to commit (and lose) 4.6 billion isk in military assets conducting raids into Amarrian hisec while their own backyard is burning. Surely the people of Providence deserve better leadership than this?
Well what do you expect? They're Amarrian loyalists. They believe in and even more damningly worship the provably false god that those inbreeds worship - that puts a fairly low upper bound on their intelligence. You can't expect much of them. -----
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.08 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gigi Velour
Many fear that open access to the frontier will be threatened should governance of Providence change hands. What will become of those like us who only seek access to the resources of the frontier? Would AAA and U'K offer us access as CVA has? Such an arrangement would be good for both them as well as new pioneers, would it not?
I can only offer my personal viewpoint, which is that UK would welcome neutrals into any space it managed within Providence. But this is speculation, as of right now we do not own any space in Providence.
We are, at core, an NRDS alliance who made exceptions in a Providence where neutral traffic placed money into CVA's coffers. A Providence free from CVA would be a different matter. I would personally strongly support the rights of neutrals to travel and make ISK in any space we held in a future providence.
I stress this is my personal viewpoint, not any kind of official statement. ----------
~bitter dog~
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Irongut
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.08 20:36:00 -
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Congratulations to our brothers in U'K. 9UY is now yours again.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.08 20:42:00 -
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I assume UK will be just as NRDS in providence as they are in catch.
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Jeats Conti
Gallente Cardamine Advanced Technologies
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Posted - 2010.02.08 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer I assume UK will be just as NRDS in providence as they are in catch.
Foolish person, UK are NBSI in Prov and Catch until all traces of slavers and supporters have been removed.
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Commander Kegel
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:17:00 -
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UK will never be NRDS, simply out of fear. (and the fact that they are a terrorist organization set on the destruction of all who roam New Eden)
To be able to relax when a neut fleet lands on top of you, is something that does not come natural. This type of confidence is only acquired through trust, and the understanding that although you have the privilege of having a gun, you don't have to shoot every pilot in the face.
Even if he is mining that asteroid that just failed your cloak.
C.K.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:26:00 -
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I don't see what the great interest in this NRDS business is when the Amarr Empire itself isn't even truly NRDS. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 09/02/2010 17:31:14
There is no ethical value whatsoever in claiming NRDS ideology while supporting the Amarrian Imperial dogma on slavery. Providence is not Freespace. Providence pets are not freespacers. Amarrian NRDS in Providence simply means total submission to the whims and corruption of a pathetic old tyrant and his coterie of hasbeen enforcers.
True Knowledge |
Kazzzi
Amarr Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:43:00 -
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I couldn't agree with you more Jade, but the typical Providence 'neutral' has no interest in freespace. Nor do they have any interest in loyalty or fighting for a cause. They are only interested in simple greed which the Imperial forces of the region feed like a common crash dealer feeds an addict. |
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