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Foodpimp
Gallente Heaven's Harvesters Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.02.06 21:40:00 -
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How often does CCP employees read these forums and think...
"Wow...these people are friggin idiots. How and why are we not charging them more to play."
Sorry...venting a bit. The whole trying to link ideas in games to real life issues thing gets kind of old after awhile. (I realize that there is a basis for the different races...but still). It's kind of like when people analyze a book or song...and look for the deeper or symbolic meaning...only to have the author come out and say "no..I just wrote that to make money...there is no symbolic meaning....yer overthinking it...back away from the mind altering substances."
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Nebulous
Minmatar Salvage Junkies
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Posted - 2010.02.07 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Nebulous on 07/02/2010 17:39:52 Anyone heard of Dun & Bradstreet? From Dun & Bradstreet you can obtain certain information on every company in the world.
My research has lead me to the fact that all councils, all courts (both Magistrates and Crown/County) and the very government are all actively trading as private corporations, also a lot of MP's are registered as trading as a company.
So the UK is an example for you right away.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.07 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker The Caldari are Americans
no, its where America is heading.
I for one welcome our new google overlords.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.10 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Yesh I was once in a corp where every American was Caldari so I guess there is something in the caldari philosophy that attracts people from the US. Something about military might in the description of the character creation screen probably.
As an American who plays a Gallente character, I invalidate your silly anecodotal hypothesis.
Seriously, "I was in a corp that..." is not a basis for any sort of discussion.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.10 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Reem Fairchild Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 05/02/2010 20:06:38
Originally by: Intense Thinker The Caldari are Americans
The Gallente are the equivalent to the USA.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Gallente
Quote: The Gallenteans. Self-righteous, meddling, pompous and tiresome, or virile liberalists and defenders of the free world. Love them or hate them, you simply can't ignore them. Everybody has an opinion on the Gallente Federation, it all depends from which side of the table you view them. For many, it is the Promised Land, where any dream can become a reality. The Gallenteans remain strong believers in free will and human rights, despite numerous setbacks in their long history.
Quote: Few societies display such stark contrasts. Many of the wealthiest people in the world are Gallenteans, creating a constant demand for luxury goods. At the same time, the ranks of the poor number millions, because while the liberal market-driven economy and individual freedom may allow everybody the chance to advance to the top, they make it just as easy to plummet to the very bottom of the social ladder.
In the world of EVE, the Gallentean are the kings of entertainment, mass-producing everything from cheap ****-flicks to elaborate stage-shows for an ever-hungry public. They boast the most elaborate luxury space yachts, and the most glittering hotel reservoirs. Anything your mind or body could ever crave, the Gallenteans have plenty of it.
I second this--we're most like the Gallente.
The Caldari are more similar to pre-WW2 Japan with their zaibatsus.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.02.10 03:13:00 -
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Caldari the United States?
The Caldari State is a Meritocracy. You work hard, you get ahead.
I think the "corporatism" is what makes it seem so. But this is a dangerous assumption. The corporatists, or Transnational Corporatists are globalists under a different name. These people are not all Americans, nor all live there. They are screwing the entire planet, and the people least aware of this are the Americans, whose country is being used as the new Prussia (hence the education system built on the Prussian model of indoctrination) and military engine for these ends.
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nihlanth
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.02.10 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: nihlanth on 10/02/2010 19:09:46
Originally by: Yesh I was once in a corp where every American was Caldari so I guess there is something in the caldari philosophy that attracts people from the US. Something about military might in the description of the character creation screen probably.
One of them said I chose Amarr as my race through word association of the Amarr 'EMPIRE' because I was from Britain and was angry about the fact that my ****ty little country no longer controls 1/4 of the earth. True story.
The REAL reason I chose Amarr is considerably worse. The T1 ammo is free
Actually, I chose amarr because of their idealistic fervor - so I guess as an American I would be secretly rooting for the Islamic Republic of Iran
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.10 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jago Kain
Originally by: Yesh ...The REAL reason I chose Amarr is considerably worse. The T1 ammo is free
So; which part of Yorkshire are you from then?
naah he`s from scotland ...its well known that this race is as tight as two coats of paint
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.
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Posted - 2010.02.11 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann Edited by: Kyra Felann on 10/02/2010 03:08:35
Originally by: Reem Fairchild The Gallente are the equivalent to the USA
I second this--we're definitely most like the Gallente.
The Caldari are more similar to pre-WW2 Japan with their zaibatsus. Then there is India under the East India Company, a British company that had its own military and basically ruled over the Indian subcontinent.
To be honest though, the US today (unlike the US of the 19th century) is not all that close to the Libertarian Laissez-Faire Capitalism of the Gallente. It's just that almost everyone else in the world is further away from it than the US is.
But yeah, I don't think anyone can deny that the person who wrote the description for the Gallente Federation that I quoted from was thinking of the US. Especially in this part:
"For many, it is the Promised Land, where any dream can become a reality."
It's very clearly a reference to the idea of the 'American Dream'. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.' |
welki zynkov
Oblivion Of Shadows Blood Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.11 06:58:00 -
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My take
Caldari = the old German states (Holy Roman Empire), all the same people, usually backed one another in fights minus the religious ones.
Amarr: Muslims/Middle Easterners in their glory days, expanding and enslaving/converting.
Gallente: French revolutionaries that took it too far
Minmatar: Africans, tribal system, some of them were enslaved by the Amarr(Muslims)
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Tarine Ammatari
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Posted - 2010.02.11 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: welki zynkov My take
Caldari = the old German states (Holy Roman Empire), all the same people, usually backed one another in fights minus the religious ones.
Amarr: Muslims/Middle Easterners in their glory days, expanding and enslaving/converting.
Gallente: French revolutionaries that took it too far
Minmatar: Africans, tribal system, some of them were enslaved by the Amarr(Muslims)
Excuse me, but how can it be possible that Amarr, with their Gregorian chanting and crosses on the ships could be mistaken for Muslims :d.
Caldari are obviously American also.
You are right with Gallente and Minmatar though.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.11 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tarine Ammatari
Excuse me, but how can it be possible that Amarr, with their Gregorian chanting and crosses on the ships could be mistaken for Muslims. It's like someone from CCP opened a Bible at random pages and named all Amarr ships. :D
By your logic all Caldari would be welders with a fetish for ornithology.
Ship design and naming conventions have very little to do with the culture of the EVE races, especially when you realize that the names are all translated into English from something completely alien.
I'm curious though... which ship has a cross on it? -----
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Tarine Ammatari
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Posted - 2010.02.11 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai By your logic all Caldari would be welders with a fetish for ornithology.
Ship design and naming conventions have very little to do with the culture of the EVE races, especially when you realize that the names are all translated into English from something completely alien.
I'm curious though... which ship has a cross on it?
I'm sorry but I prefer my logic than no logic. :D
On the serious side, it doesn't get any more obvious than Crusader, Paladin, Templar etc. To say it has anything to do with muslims is flawed logic in my opinion. It's kinda obvious what it stands for. Bestower on the classic client used to have celtic cross on the front.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.11 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tarine Ammatari
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai By your logic all Caldari would be welders with a fetish for ornithology.
Ship design and naming conventions have very little to do with the culture of the EVE races, especially when you realize that the names are all translated into English from something completely alien.
I'm curious though... which ship has a cross on it?
I'm sorry but I prefer my logic than no logic. :D
On the serious side, it doesn't get any more obvious than Crusader, Paladin, Templar etc. To say it has anything to do with muslims is flawed logic in my opinion. It's kinda obvious what it stands for. Bestower on the classic client used to have celtic cross on the front.
Still, by that argument, the Gallente would worship the Greco-Roman pantheon - which they most certainly don't.
Also, I contest the claim that a small smudge on a single outdated texture constitutes proof that the Amarr use crosses in any kind of religious iconography. -----
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VanNostrum
Tigers Of Anatolia
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Posted - 2010.02.11 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
Originally by: Tarine Ammatari
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai By your logic all Caldari would be welders with a fetish for ornithology.
Ship design and naming conventions have very little to do with the culture of the EVE races, especially when you realize that the names are all translated into English from something completely alien.
I'm curious though... which ship has a cross on it?
I'm sorry but I prefer my logic than no logic. :D
On the serious side, it doesn't get any more obvious than Crusader, Paladin, Templar etc. To say it has anything to do with muslims is flawed logic in my opinion. It's kinda obvious what it stands for. Bestower on the classic client used to have celtic cross on the front.
Still, by that argument, the Gallente would worship the Greco-Roman pantheon - which they most certainly don't.
Also, I contest the claim that a small smudge on a single outdated texture constitutes proof that the Amarr use crosses in any kind of religious iconography.
Hmmm let's see...they got lots of cathedrals, wear robes and have ships named armageddon, templar, crusader, revelation and set crusade on other people in the galaxy in the name of their faith. And they're muslim you say?
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.11 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: VanNostrum
Hmmm let's see...they got lots of cathedrals, wear robes and have ships named armageddon, templar, crusader, revelation and set crusade on other people in the galaxy in the name of their faith. And they're muslim you say?
No, did I say that?
Besides, I'm pretty sure that muslims have great temples, clerical garments and holy wars as well, and I just explained how ship names are largely inconsequential as a cultural indicator (at least on as specified a level as this). -----
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Chipan Asty
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Posted - 2010.02.11 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Yesh I was once in a corp where every American was Caldari so I guess there is something in the caldari philosophy that attracts people from the US. Something about military might in the description of the character creation screen probably.
As an American who plays a Gallente character, I invalidate your silly anecodotal hypothesis.
Seriously, "I was in a corp that..." is not a basis for any sort of discussion.
Yet here you are ... discussing it ...
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.
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Posted - 2010.02.11 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: VanNostrum
Hmmm let's see...they got lots of cathedrals, wear robes and have ships named armageddon, templar, crusader, revelation and set crusade on other people in the galaxy in the name of their faith. And they're muslim you say?
1. They're clearly related to the religious tradition that (in our world) starts with Abraham, and guess what? Islam is a part of that religious tradition. The third installment of it, so to speak. Most things that are part of Judaism and Christianity are also part of Islam.
2. Jihad = Crusade ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.' |
welki zynkov
Oblivion Of Shadows Blood Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.12 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: VanNostrum
Hmmm let's see...they got lots of cathedrals, wear robes and have ships named armageddon, templar, crusader, revelation and set crusade on other people in the galaxy in the name of their faith. And they're muslim you say?
1. They're clearly related to the religious tradition that (in our world) starts with Abraham, and guess what? Islam is a part of that religious tradition. The third installment of it, so to speak. Most things that are part of Judaism and Christianity are also part of Islam.
2. Jihad = Crusade
thank you for some logic :)
If you'll notice all the land Muslims have now where taken by conquest, while christian lands where spread by faith (early on, I'm not discounting that they definitely did have crusades, ect to spread their faith, they only did that in the middle of christian history)
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VanNostrum
Tigers Of Anatolia
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Posted - 2010.02.12 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: welki zynkov If you'll notice all the land Muslims have now where taken by conquest, while christian lands where spread by faith (early on, I'm not discounting that they definitely did have crusades, ect to spread their faith, they only did that in the middle of christian history)
good one
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Stratio
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.12 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Stratio on 12/02/2010 17:14:59
'Caldari' are where globalisation is heading, where the corporations have more power than the nation states.
Originally by: Reem Fairchild The Gallente are the equivalent to the USA.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Gallente
Quote: The Gallenteans. Self-righteous, meddling, pompous and tiresome, or virile liberalists and defenders of the free world. Love them or hate them, you simply can't ignore them.
Yeah I thought the same when I read that! Very close to the american mind set, in good and bad ways. _____________________
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Swarm of Angry Bees
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Posted - 2010.02.12 18:58:00 -
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Quote:
Hisec - classroom in an American college Lowsec - Somalia Nullsec - international waters
lol. suicide ganking in high sec.
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Tesco Yogurt
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Posted - 2010.02.12 21:12:00 -
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WTS: Sense of humour to all srsbzns types in here
Lighten up! It's a let's poke fun at each other type of thread, not 'your country is stupid and mine is better' type :)
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Mal Kuni
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Reem Fairchild
1. They're clearly related to the religious tradition that (in our world) starts with Abraham, and guess what? Islam is a part of that religious tradition. The third installment of it, so to speak. Most things that are part of Judaism and Christianity are also part of Islam.
2. Jihad = Crusade
Yesss... That must be right. Gregorian chanting in their stations is also related to middle-eastern cultures. And I name all my Crusader ships Jihaders actually... :D True Amarrians hardly resemble middle easterners also but we can use our imagination and make it happen right ?
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Ella C'Tronix
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Posted - 2010.02.13 07:06:00 -
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Whatever group of people that drive cars that look like buildings - that's your answer.
(Caldari stuff look like POS modules, the end)
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Punic Corp.
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Posted - 2010.02.13 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 13/02/2010 09:35:16
Originally by: Mal Kuni
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
1. They're clearly related to the religious tradition that (in our world) starts with Abraham, and guess what? Islam is a part of that religious tradition. The third installment of it, so to speak. Most things that are part of Judaism and Christianity are also part of Islam.
2. Jihad = Crusade
Yesss... That must be right. Gregorian chanting in their stations is also related to middle-eastern cultures. And I name all my Crusader ships Jihaders actually... :D True Amarrians hardly resemble middle easterners also but we can use our imagination and make it happen right ?
What does the Middle East have to do with it? Not everyone in the Middle East is a muslim (most countries have a Christian minority, and in Lebanon actually a majority up until the last few decades), and the majority of muslims aren't from the Middle East. If you're talking origin, then Christianity is also originally a Middle Eastern religion. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.' |
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